Does Trump Really Think He Can Win A Trade War With China? (1 Viewer)

[ElChupacabra]

The first paragraph of the linked article.

"eases tensions between the world’s two biggest economies, offers massive export opportunities for U.S. farms and factories, and promises to do more to protect American trade secrets."

Something wrong with easing tensions and providing massive export opportunities for US producers?

Good point that Phase II never happened. Kim Jung Biden not only dropped the ball on advancing US interests he actively undermined the Phase I agreement by refusing to dispute any of China's continued violations as allowed in the agreement.

But wait, Kim Jung Biden signed an order lifting trade restrictions for Chinese exports of green energy equipment allowing them to become the OPEC of green energy by dumping on the US market.

Oh wait, you mean the US not willing to grow in this area had nothing to do with it? The US invented a fair percentage of green energy tech, but then abdicated expanding it in this country in part because the fossil fuel industry did not want that to happen. As often happens when there's a power vacuum, someone else fills it which in this case was China. Had the US gone down this road there would likely be less of this dependence on China, because the US would have been competing with it on securing the rare earth minerals to build products. Instead we went with "rollin' coal" mentality and the idiocy of those who thought green energy was a fad.

To then read the bolded is a bit of a laugh, because there was no one person responsible for the US dropping the ball on this. I still remember all of the crap Obama got when he wanted to expand the green energy industry in the US and the GOP and ani climate change folks were all up in arms.

 

[jaypatriot]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Trump is already a lame duck president.
But the Chicken Littles waiting for the sky to fall with mention what Trump said about running for a third term.
They believe if Trump said it, then it must be true.

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[Rexedgar]

Give it another week and Trump will exempt more shit that is imported to the US.

 

[Ganondagan]

That's funny, it wasn't it the Chinese who were pressured into a phase 1 trade agreement by Trump’s imposition of tarriffs?

Read the full U.S.-China 'Phase 1' trade agreement

The deal offers massive export opportunities for U.S. farms and factories and promises to do more to protect American trade secrets but leaves Washington's fundamental differences with Beijing unresolved.

www.pbs.org

But don't believe your lying eyes. Just keep parroting the talking points.

The anti-Trumpers really do hope and pray that Trump fails in everything he tries. It's their hatred speaking.

There are two motives to his tariff plan...to bring manufacturing back to America, and it's a tactic to force countries into negotiations. We'll have to wait to find out if he'll be successful, but there is one very important issue facing our country...we no longer have the power of strategic industrial resources to effectively fight any major war, much less multiple wars as we did in the 1940s. We depend far too much on other countries for vital needs of basic manufacturing.

 

[upsideguy]

Does Trump Really Think He Can Win A Trade War With China?​

Yes.


Well, it's too bad I can't read the opinion of Mr. Rapley...that's just the way it is.

I will say this: US inflation won't ever rise to the levels that the Biden pukes subjected Americans to under Trump.

So you are conceding that tariffs will cause inflation. Thank you, at least, for that admission....

 

[Mycroft]

So you are conceding that tariffs will cause inflation. Thank you, at least, for that admission....

I am not.

I'm simply stating that US inflation won't ever rise to previous levels under Trump.

I fully expect inflation to remain at low, acceptable levels throughout Trump's presidency...much like it during his first term (except for COVID).

 

[cpwill]

Does Trump Really Think He Can Win A Trade War With China?
Yes.

Well, it's too bad I can't read the opinion of Mr. Rapley...that's just the way it is.

I will say this: US inflation won't ever rise to the levels that the Biden pukes subjected Americans to under Trump.

If it does, will you accept that Trump's economic policies are responsible?

 

[Mycroft]

If it does, will you accept that Trump's economic policies are responsible?

No.

"If it does" speculation is dependent upon too many unknowns.

 

[cpwill]

No.

We know. Some folks start from the premise that their Tribal Avatar Can Do No Wrong, He Can Only Be Betrayed, and work backwards from there, regardless of circumstances.

 

[Mycroft]

We know. Some folks start from the premise that their Tribal Avatar Can Do No Wrong, He Can Only Be Betrayed, and work backwards from there, regardless of circumstances.

Your dishonesty knows no bounds.

Bye.

 

[cpwill]

Your dishonesty knows no bounds.

I get to be consistent, because I don't put my claimed values to the service of the whims of another man. I don't have to twist into pretzels or desperately seek new explanations for why my positions have changed, or why what I said two weeks ago is never what I meant, or why Someone Else Is Always To Blame But Never The Idol.



I'd recommend it.

 

[bearpoker]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

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Yes, Trump really does think he can and will win a trade war with China. In reality he's going full steam ahead with crashing the US economy. It'll be okay. He'll just blame the Democrats and MAGA will believe him.

 

[yankintx]

Trump is already a lame duck president.
But the Chicken Littles waiting for the sky to fall with mention what Trump said about running for a third term.
They believe if Trump said it, then it must be true.

From Day One Donald Trump Will Be a Lame Duck President. Will That Just Free Him to Do Whatever He Wants?
13 Nov 2024 Austin Sarat​

Thanks to the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment, Donald Trump will be ineligible to run again in 2028. For many who oppose him and fear what he may do in the Oval Office, that is a comforting thought. They say, “We have already endured four years of a Trump presidency and survived. Four more, and we’ll be rid of him.”

From Day One Donald Trump Will Be a Lame Duck President. Will That Just Free Him to Do Whatever He Wants?

Amherst professor Austin Sarat examines how the 22nd Amendment’s presidential term limits, originally passed to prevent another FDR-style extended presidency, affects second-term Presidents in general...

verdict.justia.com

The best strategy at this point is to focus on taking if not one but both Houses of Congress in 2026. It will not neuter Trump completely but will be far more effective than what is currently on offer, whining.

 

[iguanaman]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

apple.news

Trump is banking on his policies causing mass protests that he will then use as an excuse to declare martial law and "postpone" the midterms.

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Democratic strategist James Carville warned Americans Tuesday that Donald Trump might try to declare martial law and even rig the midterm elections.

During a Q&A segment on his Politics War Room podcast, Carville said people were right to be worried about Trump’s authoritarian tendencies. Listeners asked if there was a risk that Trump could halt the U.S. democratic process. “Is Trump looking to spark enough protest to justify declaring martial law in 2026 thus suspending the election?” asked one.

“You’re so correct to be concerned about this,” Carville said. “They deserve a serious answer. And a serious answer is not necessarily an encouraging answer.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/james-carville-fears-trump-declare-231507798.html

 

[AZRWinger]

Does Trump Really Think He Can Win A Trade War With China?​

How about some juicy whataboutisms? Anyone? Ok, here goes..............





Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.

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Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”

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Using a derisive but accurate nickname isn't a whataboutism. Your understanding of the term is as deficient as your command of trade policy. You can't address Trump's use of tariffs to reform decades of Uncle Sucker America Last foreign policy so you sling a term you don't know the meaning of.

 

[dockside]

Trump is already a lame duck president.
But the Chicken Littles waiting for the sky to fall with mention what Trump said about running for a third term.
They believe if Trump said it, then it must be true.

From Day One Donald Trump Will Be a Lame Duck President. Will That Just Free Him to Do Whatever He Wants?​

13 Nov 2024 Austin Sarat​

Thanks to the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment, Donald Trump will be ineligible to run again in 2028. For many who oppose him and fear what he may do in the Oval Office, that is a comforting thought. They say, “We have already endured four years of a Trump presidency and survived. Four more, and we’ll be rid of him.”

From Day One Donald Trump Will Be a Lame Duck President. Will That Just Free Him to Do Whatever He Wants?

Amherst professor Austin Sarat examines how the 22nd Amendment’s presidential term limits, originally passed to prevent another FDR-style extended presidency, affects second-term Presidents in general...

verdict.justia.com

These "Chicken Littles" you're referring to must obviously be MAGAts, because that is not a soul that isn't a MAGAt believes one word out of the Felon-in-Chief's mouth. He has demonstrated since time immemorial that he is a liar and says whatever he thinks someone will believe (his MAGAts).

 

[jaypatriot]

These "Chicken Littles" you're referring to must obviously be MAGAts, because that is not a soul that isn't a MAGAt believes one word out of the Felon-in-Chief's mouth. He has demonstrated since time immemorial that he is a liar and says whatever he thinks someone will believe (his MAGAts).

Perhaps you're one of the few sane Liberals who have learned Trump lies all the time.
You're not the type that will quote Trump as if he said something that will become reality. But, according to your political leaning, you are in that camp.

 

[jaypatriot]

The best strategy at this point is to focus on taking if not one but both Houses of Congress in 2026. It will not neuter Trump completely but will be far more effective than what is currently on offer, whining.

I almost dislike the idea of clueless Democrats who upon reading that, might slap their foreheads and say, "Damn! Why didn't I think of that? Now I have to tell my Congressperson what we need to do."

However, Liberals do love to whine about what a terrible person Trump is, because, as we all know, that is all they have going for them.

 

[AZRWinger]

Oh wait, you mean the US not willing to grow in this area had nothing to do with it? The US invented a fair percentage of green energy tech, but then abdicated expanding it in this country in part because the fossil fuel industry did not want that to happen. As often happens when there's a power vacuum, someone else fills it which in this case was China. Had the US gone down this road there would likely be less of this dependence on China, because the US would have been competing with it on securing the rare earth minerals to build products. Instead we went with "rollin' coal" mentality and the idiocy of those who thought green energy was a fad.

So, the Chinese manufacturing green energy equipment for export using stolen intellectual property and slave labor is due to some kind of US abdication? The Chinese continue to build coal fired electric generating stations at a breakneck pace with negligible pollution controls.

The US has rare earth minerals but is unable to exploit them thanks to Democrat environmental fanatics.

To then read the bolded is a bit of a laugh, because there was no one person responsible for the US dropping the ball on this. I still remember all of the crap Obama got when he wanted to expand the green energy industry in the US and the GOP and ani climate change folks were all up in arms.

The engineered by Democrats subservience to China isn't a laughing matter. Kim Jung Biden’s decision to lift trade restrictions on China's green energy equipment manufacturing to the detriment of US manufacturing was his alone. No doubt that's why you avoided comment.

Part of Kim Jung Biden’s response to Covid-19 that cost more American lives was distributing free test kits. No doubt you can spin a tale explaining how it's US abdication that caused the Biden regime to award the contract for manufacturing the kits to China where the outbreak originated.

 

[yankintx]

I almost dislike the idea of clueless Democrats who upon reading that, might slap their foreheads and say, "Damn! Why didn't I think of that? Now I have to tell my Congressperson what we need to do."

However, Liberals do love to whine about what a terrible person Trump is, because, as we all know, that is all they have going for them.

Very true

How bad are the Dems, they could not even beat a moron such as Trump, not even after Jan 6, 2021.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So, the Chinese manufacturing green energy equipment for export using stolen intellectual property and slave labor is due to some kind of US abdication?

Not exclusively, no. However, when the US decided to not continue advancing green energy development and implementation here, the Chinese picked up the baton. Had the US remained competitive, it would have cut off Chinese moves across the developing world in making rare earth mineral deals there and expanding their green energy technology in those countries. People here thought green energy was "dumb" and the stuff only "climate alarmists" believe in, so here we are with the Chinese dominating this space.

The Chinese continue to build coal fired electric generating stations at a breakneck pace with negligible pollution controls.

They do, but as a stop-gap in transitioning to green energy. They actually have a plan and don't waste time denying environmental impacts.

The US has rare earth minerals but is unable to exploit them thanks to Democrat environmental fanatics.

It's the same "fanatics" who don't want parts of the US looking like a hellscape, which the Chinese are also concerned about which is in part why they've diversified their rare earth mineral access.

The engineered by Democrats subservience to China isn't a laughing matter. Kim Jung Biden’s decision to lift trade restrictions on China's green energy equipment manufacturing to the detriment of US manufacturing was his alone. No doubt that's why you avoided comment.

This would be such narrow blame to place for work that's taken about three decades building up. Because we decided green energy was "bad" and not a smart investment from a government perspective is why we have to buy from the world's leading producer of green energy tech and hardware. That could have been us, but you know, "climate alarmists".

Part of Kim Jung Biden’s response to Covid-19 that cost more American lives was distributing free test kits. No doubt you can spin a tale explaining how it's US abdication that caused the Biden regime to award the contract for manufacturing the kits to China where the outbreak originated.

Are we moving away from green energy tech and on to medical products? Would it have been preferable to not have the kits?

 

[jaypatriot]

Very true

How bad are the Dems, they could not even beat a moron such as Trump, not even after Jan 6, 2021.

Ah yes, Trump the moron who received 77 million votes, held on to the House, won the Senate, and the White House FOR THE SECOND TIME!
Reduced illegal immigration to a trickle.
Only a moron could do that. Maybe he used the Vulcan Mind Meld over the Internet and convinced 77 million people to vote for him.
It could happen - even for a moron.

 

[911Sparky]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

apple.news

Nobody wins a trade war, but China is able to withstand a trade war better than the US.

 

[AZRWinger]

Not exclusively, no. However, when the US decided to not continue advancing green energy development and implementation here, the Chinese picked up the baton. Had the US remained competitive, it would have cut off Chinese moves across the developing world in making rare earth mineral deals there and expanding their green energy technology in those countries. People here thought green energy was "dumb" and the stuff only "climate alarmists" believe in, so here we are with the Chinese dominating this space.

But the US did continue down the road of green energy lunacy. The US increased the percentage of electric energy produced from green sources. The Chinese just built more fossile fuel generation capacity to manufacture green energy gear for export. What's dumb is denying that reality.

They do, but as a stop-gap in transitioning to green energy. They actually have a plan and don't waste time denying environmental impacts.

That's a laugh. The Chinese with the world's second largest economy are considered a developing economy by the WTO and Paris climate accords exempt from emissions standards. Kim Jung Biden just encouraged their rampant pollution and discouraged US manufacturing by unilaterally lifting trade restrictions.

It's the same "fanatics" who don't want parts of the US looking like a hellscape, which the Chinese are also concerned about which is in part why they've diversified their rare earth mineral access.

Another fairy tale. US mining is heavily regulated to protect the environment. China has next to no pollution controls and their third world exploitation has none.

This would be such narrow blame to place for work that's taken about three decades building up. Because we decided green energy was "bad" and not a smart investment from a government perspective is why we have to buy from the world's leading producer of green energy tech and hardware. That could have been us, but you know, "climate alarmists".

Absurd flight of rhetorical fancy. You have yet to even attempt to explain how Biden’s lifting trade restrictions not only hurt US manufacturing but the environment as well.

Are we moving away from green energy tech and on to medical products? Would it have been preferable to not have the kits?

Nope, I am pointing to another instance in Biden and Democrats favoring China over the US. But c'mon let's have another story of how it's a good thing to reward those responsible for the pandemic. It's another example of the harebrained trade policirs Trump is trying to reform.

 

[ElChupacabra]

But the US did continue down the road of green energy lunacy.

Not at the same scale as China, or we would not be having this discussion.

The US increased the percentage of electric energy produced from green sources.

Indeed, but similar to the answer above, not as aggressively as China. On the development and research side, China leads there as well.

The Chinese just built more fossile fuel generation capacity to manufacture green energy gear for export. What's dumb is denying that reality.

No one is denying that reality. The difference is it's a stop-gap measure as they continue to expand their green energy infrastructure. As they do that, they will continue to excel the green energy products they make and distribute around the world.

That's a laugh. The Chinese with the world's second largest economy are considered a developing economy by the WTO and Paris climate accords exempt from emissions standards. Kim Jung Biden just encouraged their rampant pollution and discouraged US manufacturing by unilaterally lifting trade restrictions.

None of this changes the fact their green energy implementation exceeds that of the US, and they continue on track to do so. The US will be stuck with the fossil fuel pollution and nothing to show for it in comparison. It didn't have to be this way.

Another fairy tale. US mining is heavily regulated to protect the environment. China has next to no pollution controls and their third world exploitation has none.

Not at all. China certainly has way less environmental regulations than the US, but over the years that's changed because of the obvious impacts to their countryside and in urban centers.

Absurd flight of rhetorical fancy. You have yet to even attempt to explain how Biden’s lifting trade restrictions not only hurt US manufacturing but the environment as well.

That you're trying to blame decades of changes and make it about Biden is the real absurd flight of rhetorical fancy.

Nope, I am pointing to another instance in Biden and Democrats favoring China over the US. But c'mon let's have another story of how it's a good thing to reward those responsible for the pandemic. It's another example of the harebrained trade policirs Trump is trying to reform.

Good lord this is daft. I know the MAGAverse has latched on to the magical thinking the US is somehow going to start being entirely self reliant, but that's just magical thinking considering the course the rest of the world is taking and the fact 19th century mercantilism is dead.