Scarecrow Akhbar said:The cops think they're James Bond wth a license to kill, is why such bills become necessary.
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A 60 year old bag lady in Venice Beach is shot and killed by TWO bicycle patrolmen when she lunged at them with a screwdriver.
Two young cops, in the prime of physical fitness, can't use their night sticks to disarm an old lady with a screwdriver?
They proably could have killed her with their night sticks.They just HAD to use their guns?
There's enough examples of questionable shootings, and more than enough proven cases of the police abusing their authority to warrant a rational limit on how they perform their jobs
Cops need to have every avaliable means of defending themselves.When you are being shot at or someone is trying to stab you with a knife you do not have time to aim for a leg,hand or arm,those are much harder targets to hit.
:2rofll:Willoughby said:why guns though. just scrap guns to the general police force!
DeeJayH said::2rofll:
are you for real
that would work so well :doh :roll:
jamesrage said:Cops need to have every avaliable means of defending themselves.When you are being shot at or someone is trying to stab you with a knife you do not have time to aim for a leg,hand or arm,those are much harder targets to hit.
She should have not been trying to stab the cops to death with a screw driver.
Remember Rodney King?
They proably could have killed her with their night sticks.
Rational limits?You call telling a cop that he has to try to aim for a scumbag's hand,leg or arm while being shot at rational limitis? A bullet in the arm is not going to stop a determined criminal from shooting back.I would rather the cop live instead of the criminal.
earthworm said:The gun-less cops is the English way of doing things - I do not know if this works or not !
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Did you miss the part where I said "old" lady, and "young" cops? I mentioned the word "stick", didn't I? With no training at all, I could use a stick to disarm one old lady with a screwdriver, and I'm fat and forty.
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That was a clear case of excessive force. Period. And if there has to be a new law to punish lazy arrogant cops that use excessive force, then so be it. Their job is to arrest miscreants, its not to kill people wantonly because they're too lazy or too gutless to do their job right. If they can't handle doing their job right, well...there's always strawberries that need pickin'
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Did you miss the part where I said "old" lady, and "young" cops? I mentioned the word "stick", didn't I? With no training at all, I could use a stick to disarm one old lady with a screwdriver, and I'm fat and forty.
That was a clear case of excessive force. Period. And if there has to be a new law to punish lazy arrogant cops that use excessive force, then so be it. Their job is to arrest miscreants, its not to kill people wantonly because they're too lazy or too gutless to do their job right. If they can't handle doing their job right, well...there's always strawberries that need pickin'.
DeeJayH said:i was hoping you were not serious when i read your first response
this sounds just like AbuGhraib. a few bad apples and people want to blow it out of proportion and blame the entire community
If it was a clear case of excessive force, the police dep't review board will rule such. I think they should as well.
as far as this idiots proposed law; every resonable, experienced officer would be ham-stringed by this retarded law because most cops never take out their weapon. And the very few that do rarely even fire it.
This proposal sounds like a knee-jerk reaction
DeeJayH said:The overwhelming majority of cops that fire their weapons are usually in a desperate life or death moment. Its not like cops go around on shooting sprees.
[url='http://www.narpa.org/amnesty%20international.htm"]Mentally Ill Victims of Trigger Happy Police[/url]In Rights for All Amnesty International noted the problem of police using excessive force, including deadly force, against mentally ill or disturbed people who could have been subdued through less extreme measures. Further cases have been reported since then, including suicidal individuals shot by police after they had harmed themselves but not attacked other people. For example, in February 1999 Ricardo Clos is reported to have died after being shot at 38 times by Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies who had responded to a call for help from his wife after he had cut himself in the neck. Police reportedly opened fire after he threw the knife towards them (missing them)
The fatal shooting of Margaret Laverne Mitchell - a frail, mentally ill, homeless 55-year-old woman - by a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer in May 1999 caused particular local concern. Police said the officer shot Mrs Mitchell when she lunged at him with a screwdriver while he and another officer were questioning her about a shopping cart she was pushing.18 Amnesty International wrote to the LAPD in July expressing concern that the shooting was disproportionate to the threat posed and seeking information on whether the department has introduced any special measures for dealing with the mentally disturbed. No response had been received at the time of writing. The shooting is believed to remain under investigation.
[url="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?010521fa_FACT]The "Rampart Scandal"[/url]On September 8, 1999, a thirty-two-year-old Los Angeles police officer named Rafael Perez, who had been caught stealing a million dollars' worth of cocaine from police evidence-storage facilities, signed a plea bargain in which he promised to help uncover corruption within the Los Angeles Police Department. Perez hinted at a scandal that could involve perhaps five other officers, including a sergeant. Later, Perez began to talk about a different magnitude of corruption—wrongdoing that he claimed was endemic to special police units such as the one on which he worked, combatting gangs in the city's dangerous Rampart district. Perez declared that bogus arrests, perjured testimony, and the planting of "drop guns" on unarmed civilians were commonplace. Perez's story unfolded over a period of months, and ignited what came to be known as the Rampart scandal, which the Los Angeles Times called "the worst corruption scandal in L.A.P.D. history."
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Remember, I'm trying to list only Los Angeles crimes here. There's enough evidence to show that cops should NEVER be given the benefit of the doubt. And LA is just a typical city, there's nothing special here. New York is worse, New Orleans had cops joining the looters, and the FBI and BATF barbequed 83 people in Waco for their religious beliefs.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Did you miss the part where I said "old" lady, and "young" cops? I mentioned the word "stick", didn't I? With no training at all, I could use a stick to disarm one old lady with a screwdriver, and I'm fat and forty.
That was a clear case of excessive force.
talloulou said:Do cops shoot unarmed people? Sure they do? But generally the person is an idiot who has pissed them off beyond belief and then refuses to do what they are told and instead moves and jerks all around with actions and motions that make a cop nervous and suspicious. It's easy to whine about someone being "unarmed" when they were shot but guess what? The cop has NO IDEA if your armed or not if you don't lie still and do what your told.
Now I know very occasionally you hear a story where the cop is completely in the wrong however the stories with the nutjobs who behaved like morons are WAY more common and I don't have an ounce of sympathy for them.
If I had to choose between some goofballs being shot unnecessarily or some cops being shot because they were forced to err on the side of a criminal being a lovely person that must not be badly injured.....
Please I'll side with the cops everytime.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Yes, we can find good jews everywhere.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:What you don't understand is that the cops are supposed to obey the same laws we do. That means they can't go around killing old ladies just because they're cowards.
talloulou said:What the ???
The only thing I understand about that statement is that it says far more about you than it does about me!
Scarecrow Akhbar said:The good jew obeyed the law, registered with the Nazis, and walked into the gas chambers without a fuss.
talloulou said:Oh okay now I see your point. For a minute there I thought it was some kind of racial slur.
I guess the day my perception changes and I believe most cops have gone insane with their power and thus are thrilling in the brutal abuse of innocents I'll agree with you.
In the meantime I still belileve that MOST who are shot by cops PROBABLY brought it on themselves.
talloulou said:Maybe it was excessive force but maybe it wasn't. The only thing that IS clear is that this lunatic tried to stab the cop with a screwdriver and the cop acted in self defense! Good for him.
The day we start placing cops at the mercy of lunatics and maniacs is the day cops will just stop doing their job altogether. The one thing a cop has going for him is that gun! And if criminals are too stupid or crazy to see that gun as a sign that cops should not be fuuuuuuuuuuucked with than that is their own stupid fault.
Ithaca Police Investigator Michael Padula was attempting to talk a mentally disturbed woman, with a knife, into surrendering the weapon when she lunged at him and fatally stabbed him. Other officers opened fire and killed the woman.
RightatNYU said:Does anyone really think cops LIKE killing people???
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