Does this liberal represent you?

[Barbbtx]

I thought I'd heard it all, but I hadn't. Liberals never cease to amaze me.:roll:
Just curious. Are there any liberals here who think Heidi Hartman represents them?

 

[StillBallin75]

No.

To be fair, it's also not crazy to say that providing services such as childcare or healthcare isn't a job-creator, even if it might be viewed as wasteful.

I also wasn't entirely clear as to what she was trying to say. Was she really saying that people should be using welfare money to sit at home and watch TV? Or was she saying that no matter whether one is employed or unemployed, he or she should have access to healthcare?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Somewhat...

I think you should have universal access to healthcare and childcare. I think you should have childcare if you are at work around the clock...

 

[Barbbtx]

Somewhat...

I think you should have universal access to healthcare and childcare. I think you should have childcare if you are at work around the clock...

The lady is a socialist nut job. She thinks we should have Universal Childcare provided for everyone, and she doesn't care if you're just sitting home eating bon bons.
Childcare provided for everyone? What next? A right to a job? A right to free education?

 

[Slartibartfast]

I thought I'd heard it all, but I hadn't. Liberals never cease to amaze me.:roll:
Just curious. Are there any liberals here who think Heidi Hartman represents them?

Not me. I feel the point of welfare is remediation of the individual, sitting home and eating bonbons does not do that. Now childcare for someone trying to better themselves (like go to college), wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Manc Skipper]

If all you do is sit at home eating bon bons, then childcare is a better option for the child.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If all you do is sit at home eating bon bons, then childcare is a better option for the child.

:lol: I didn't think about it, but you're probably right.

 

[justabubba]

The lady is a socialist nut job. She thinks we should have Universal Childcare provided for everyone, and she doesn't care if you're just sitting home eating bon bons.
Childcare provided for everyone? What next? A right to a job? A right to free education?

why don't you explain for us why those things are bad

 

[ashurbanipal]

Yeah, I'm not so clear on what's bad about a free education for all and a right to a job for everyone.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

I thought I'd heard it all, but I hadn't. Liberals never cease to amaze me.:roll:
Just curious. Are there any liberals here who think Heidi Hartman represents them?

No, but it's not a crazy idea.

 

[X Factor]

why don't you explain for us why those things are bad

It's not up to the government to provide us all a mansion and a flying pony.

 

[justabubba]

It's not up to the government to provide us all a mansion and a flying pony.

i missed the post where that was advocated.
please point it out

 

[Catawba]

It's not up to the government to provide us all a mansion and a flying pony.

I agree, but there is great benefit to providing childcare for poor working families to enable them to get off welfare, and for providing free education so we can compete in the future with the other first world nations that are providing free education. However, there is one major drawback to making this possible, it would require long-term thinking, something the US has not oftern been good at. The short-term thinkers see it as a waste, as just more social programs that can be cut to provide further tax cuts for the rich folks. :sun

 

[Barbbtx]

There's a lot more socialists on here than I thought.
If DP is any indication of the number in the country, we've got our work cut out for us.
Free Childcare, Free Education (college education?) a guaranteed job? Free healthcare?
I'm with X Factor, what next a mansion and a flying pony?
This is America, not Greece (yet)

 

[ThePlayDrive]

There's a lot more socialists on here than I thought.
If DP is any indication of the number in the country, we've got our work cut out for us.
Free Childcare, Free Education (college education?) a guaranteed job? Free healthcare?
I'm with X Factor, what next a mansion and a flying pony?
This is America, not Greece (yet)

Nothing is free. We pay taxes.

 

[Henrin]

Nothing is free. We pay taxes.

I'm sure you when you brought your house you did so on your own.

 

[Catawba]

There's a lot more socialists on here than I thought.

So you have determined that most of the free world are socialists, is that your position?

'The following list of countries are the majority of those that are called “free-market countries” or “industrialized countries”. The OECD (explained below) is an excellent source of statistical information about the 31 countries. OECD is based on countries with a market-oriented ideology. Twenty-seven are high-income countries. Among the 31 countries that are referenced at this website, most of them have some form of “health care for all”, as per the many implementations of health-care-for-all systems. Everybody In. Nobody Out. It is time for the U.S. to stop bureaucracy, start efficiency, and catch up to the rest of the world when it comes to being efficient in paying for health care.

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Korea (South)
Luxembourg
(Mexico)
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
(Poland)
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
(Turkey)
United Kingdom


FYI: in some years additional countries are added to the OECD organization. For example, three were added during the year 2010: Chile, Estonia, and Slovenia."
Medicare for All: List of Industrialized Countries

Free Childcare, Free Education (college education?) a guaranteed job? Free healthcare?
I'm with X Factor, what next a mansion and a flying pony?
This is America, not Greece (yet)

A working parent sounds better to me than a family on welfare. This is not a socialist view, it is a long-term view of what is best for our country's future.

India joins list of 135 countries in making education a right

 

[celticwar17]

So you have determined that most of the free world are socialists, is that your position?

'The following list of countries are the majority of those that are called “free-market countries” or “industrialized countries”. The OECD (explained below) is an excellent source of statistical information about the 31 countries. OECD is based on countries with a market-oriented ideology. Twenty-seven are high-income countries. Among the 31 countries that are referenced at this website, most of them have some form of “health care for all”, as per the many implementations of health-care-for-all systems. Everybody In. Nobody Out. It is time for the U.S. to stop bureaucracy, start efficiency, and catch up to the rest of the world when it comes to being efficient in paying for health care.

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Korea (South)
Luxembourg
(Mexico)
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
(Poland)
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
(Turkey)
United Kingdom


FYI: in some years additional countries are added to the OECD organization. For example, three were added during the year 2010: Chile, Estonia, and Slovenia."
Medicare for All: List of Industrialized Countries





A working parent sounds better to me than a family on welfare. This is not a socialist view, it is a long-term view of what is best for our country's future.

India joins list of 135 countries in making education a right

I would hardly calls those countries having "efficient" healthcare.

The whole point against socialism and communism is because it is inefficient. Ever look at the pros and cons of Capitalism and Communism?.... it's the same for socialism and whenever the government funds something instead of the market.

 

[Barbbtx]

Nothing is free. We pay taxes.

Not everyone. and if you take too much from people who do, they'll either stop making as much (why bother) or find ways to avoid taxes.
Then we'll have riots like Greece when the government could longer afford the freebies.

 

[Catawba]

I would hardly calls those countries having "efficient" healthcare.

The whole point against socialism and communism is because it is inefficient. Ever look at the pros and cons of Capitalism and Communism?.... it's the same for socialism and whenever the government funds something instead of the market.

Universal healthcare provides the greatest quality health care for the greatest number of people at the lowest cost. How is our system that provides a lower quality of healthcare for 1/6 of our population at the greatest cost in the world, more efficient?

 

[Barbbtx]

So you have determined that most of the free world are socialists, is that your position?

'The following list of countries are the majority of those that are called “free-market countries” or “industrialized countries”. The OECD (explained below) is an excellent source of statistical information about the 31 countries. OECD is based on countries with a market-oriented ideology. Twenty-seven are high-income countries. Among the 31 countries that are referenced at this website, most of them have some form of “health care for all”, as per the many implementations of health-care-for-all systems. Everybody In. Nobody Out. It is time for the U.S. to stop bureaucracy, start efficiency, and catch up to the rest of the world when it comes to being efficient in paying for health care.

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Korea (South)
Luxembourg
(Mexico)
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
(Poland)
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
(Turkey)
United Kingdom


FYI: in some years additional countries are added to the OECD organization. For example, three were added during the year 2010: Chile, Estonia, and Slovenia."
Medicare for All: List of Industrialized Countries





A working parent sounds better to me than a family on welfare. This is not a socialist view, it is a long-term view of what is best for our country's future.

India joins list of 135 countries in making education a right

WOW! look at all those choices you have. Are you packing yet?
Sorry, but America is an exceptional country, not a socialist one. Besides didn't anyone ever tell you it doesn't work? Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money.

 

[Catawba]

Not everyone. and if you take too much from people who do, they'll either stop making as much (why bother) or find ways to avoid taxes.
Then we'll have riots like Greece when the government could longer afford the freebies.

Please reference your source for this happening during the half century of our history when the tax rates for the wealthy were triple what they are now?

 

[Henrin]

Please reference your source for this happening during the half century of our history when the tax rates for the wealthy were triple what they are now?

Since the tax rate affected a different bracket and we aren't in 1950 anymore good luck with this argument.

 

[Henrin]

Universal healthcare provides the greatest quality health care for the greatest number of people at the lowest cost. How is our system that provides a lower quality of healthcare for 1/6 of our population at the greatest cost in the world, more efficient?

Lowest cost. Another good luck with that argument.

 

[Catawba]

WOW! look at all those choices you have. Are you packing yet?
Sorry, but America is an exceptional country, not a socialist one. Besides didn't anyone ever tell you it doesn't work? Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money.

America, love it or leave it? That's your policy? No thank you Barb, I prefer to do my duty to make our country the best it can be rather than see it slide into just another third world country. If you think America is socialist now than you must think our forefathers of the last 80 years were communist, since they charged the wealthy 3 times in taxes what we are today. You must operate under the TurtleDude economic ideology scale as illustrated below: