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Doctors respond to Obamacare

Obamacare cant be any good. How can any bill be worth anything when the authors and no one else knows exactly whats in it.
Obamacare almost singlehandedly devastated the democrat party...the best thing that can happen to democrats is Obamacare and Nancy Pelosi go away...
 
Navy Pride this is the dumbest **** any person has ever posted on this entire forum's history. I could write page after page about how full of **** this video is, and how full of **** you are for posting it.

But I wont. Because this idiocy isn't worth it.

"The whole truth." Really. Tell me you really believe this is the whole truth, NP.
 
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What in the living **** did I just watch?
 
You literally just posted this 2 days ago NAVY!!http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/126579-doyou-think-obamacare-should-repealed.html
Same thing in the OP same video. Same link. Nothing else typed but just this link to this ****ing idiotic video.
Your not tricking anyone. But anyways ill just rip this videos lies and bull**** straight up...

As i stated earlier NP:

"The video is full of many fasification after watching it hell i found 1 within the first 2 minutes: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ting-medicare/

Also the bueracrat whole part about 15 of them will decide if you get care is a load of **** too.. Complete bull**** PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-cain-said-government-bureaucrats-will-deter/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-cain-said-government-bureaucrats-will-deter/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...oard-15-bureaucrats-who-will-decide-nation-s/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...one-says-health-care-advisory-board-can-rati/

Also more bull**** lies presented as "fact" in the video:

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...r-commerce-claims-20-million-people-will-los/
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...mber-seniors-20-million-health-care-law-lose/
 
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My golly, that man is wearing scrubs and has a stethoscope around his neck... He must be a doctor!
 
Is it true?

IPAB is a panel that does get to make policy decisions. In fact, their primary task is to CUT medicare spending. The logical conclusion that that could mean less available health care for an individual is valid.

Independent Payment Advisory Board - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The second claim is that the CBO upped the estimated cost. Also very much true:

CBO boosts its Obamacare Medicaid cost estimate | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Sorry libs. I know it hurts, but the ad is spot on.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Is it true?

IPAB is a panel that does get to make policy decisions. In fact, their primary task is to CUT medicare spending. The logical conclusion that that could mean less available health care for an individual is valid.

Independent Payment Advisory Board - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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And to ration care right? Just is not true...

PolitiFact Ohio | Pat Boone says health care advisory board can ration care and deny Medicare treatments
Not ture at all
 
ksu_aviator said:
Problem is it is. Unless there is unlimited spending, then you have rationed care.
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Uhhh thats not true at all....
Rationed cared would apply to individuals. "The IPAB recommendations would not apply to any particular individual. They would be across-the-board policy recommendations applied to the entire program. Experts agreed that the board has no say in whether any individual receives dialysis, chemotherapy or any other treatment. It is barred by Section 3403 of the health care law from making policy recommendations that would block patients from needed care."
 
Jetboogieman said:
There is anyway.

HMO's certainly don't pay out for every single operation and procedure because they couldn't afford to.
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Oh, actually they can and do. You see, they bill you for so much stuff that you'll never do that when you finally do have something you need to do, they've already picked your pocket enough to pay for the surgery and still have a profit.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhh thats not true at all....
Rationed cared would apply to individuals. "The IPAB recommendations would not apply to any particular individual. They would be across-the-board policy recommendations applied to the entire program. Experts agreed that the board has no say in whether any individual receives dialysis, chemotherapy or any other treatment. It is barred by Section 3403 of the health care law from making policy recommendations that would block patients from needed care."
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Well duh. You can't have 15 people reviewing health decisions for 320 million cases that come in front of them, but that doesn't mean that the blanket policies they make don't act like rationed care for an individual.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Well duh. You can't have 15 people reviewing health decisions for 320 million cases that come in front of them, but that doesn't mean that the blanket policies they make don't act like rationed care for an individual.
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They are barred from doing that
As state earlier; " It is barred by Section 3403 of the health care law from making policy recommendations that would block patients from needed care."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:doh
They are barred from doing that
As state earlier; " It is barred by Section 3403 of the health care law from making policy recommendations that would block patients from needed care."
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Except they have to cut some where. And what is termed "needed" and what is termed "optional" may not feel optional when you are the one that needs it.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Problem is it is. Unless there is unlimited spending, then you have rationed care.
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So, we already have rationed care. Therefore rationed care isn't some new thing introduced by "Obamacare."

Glad we agree.

ksu_aviator said:
Except they have to cut some where. And what is termed "needed" and what is termed "optional" may not feel optional when you are the one that needs it.
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How is that different from any other time in history?
 
Deuce said:
So, we already have rationed care. Therefore rationed care isn't some new thing introduced by "Obamacare."

Glad we agree.
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Just because it isn't new doesn't mean it is right.


How is that different from any other time in history?
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Past wrongs don't make future wrongs right.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Just because it isn't new doesn't mean it is right.




Past wrongs don't make future wrongs right.
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Are you suggesting unlimited spending on taxpayer-funded healthcare?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Except they have to cut some where. And what is termed "needed" and what is termed "optional" may not feel optional when you are the one that needs it.
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"It will suggest ways to limit Medicare’s spending growth. It can be overruled by Congress. Its appointments will be done in public. It will not make decisions on individual cases.
The board can reduce how much the government pays health care providers for services, reduce payments to hospitals with very high rates of readmissions or recommend innovations that cut wasteful spending. It may not raise premiums for Medicare beneficiaries or increase deductibles, co-insurance or co-payments. The IPAB also cannot change who is eligible for Medicare, restrict benefits or make recommendations that would raise revenue."

Those are all of its powers. It does not have the powers to cut what you are trying to say it does.
 
Deuce said:
Are you suggesting unlimited spending on taxpayer-funded healthcare?
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No. I'm merely stating a fact. Any socialized medical program that does not have an unlimited budget (or at least one that is greater than the demand) is limiting an individual's health care options.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"It will suggest ways to limit Medicare’s spending growth. It can be overruled by Congress. Its appointments will be done in public. It will not make decisions on individual cases.
The board can reduce how much the government pays health care providers for services, reduce payments to hospitals with very high rates of readmissions or recommend innovations that cut wasteful spending. It may not raise premiums for Medicare beneficiaries or increase deductibles, co-insurance or co-payments. The IPAB also cannot change who is eligible for Medicare, restrict benefits or make recommendations that would raise revenue."

Those are all of its powers. It does not have the powers to cut what you are trying to say it does.
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Sounds a lot like the FAA's limitations, and yet they manage to get damn near everything they want. And, to translate the bold line for you, they can make cuts where they see fit. I.e. They can limit everyone's health care. This is what was termed "the Death Panel." Hell, even President Obama suggested we should let old people die and just give them a pain pill.
 
ksu_aviator said:
No. I'm merely stating a fact. Any socialized medical program that does not have an unlimited budget (or at least one that is greater than the demand) is limiting an individual's health care options.
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As it is limited by any individual who doesn't have an unlimited budget. So clearly we have death panels today.

BTW, with UHC, the rich person can still buy more. All any one is doing is providing adequate care for everyone. Those with more can still have more.
 
Boo Radley said:
As it is limited by any individual who doesn't have an unlimited budget. So clearly we have death panels today.

BTW, with UHC, the rich person can still buy more. All any one is doing is providing adequate care for everyone. Those with more can still have more.
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Oh really? And where do they do that? Because in Canada, they drive or fly to the US to get that added care they can't get on their own country. Canadians visit U.S. to get health care | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
 
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