Do you want support of pro 2nd Amendment Democrats or not?

[Surtr]

There's a jerk of a gun store owners who has pledged to refuse service to anyone who voted for Obama. This is just plain stupid. Much of the reason Obama hasn't aggressively gone after something lame like bringing back the '94 pseudo-assault weapons ban is because of opposition from within his own party. Some Democrats are for gun control; some aren't. The Democrats have realized that most gun control laws are losing ones politically. I love shooting and don't want to see that right taken away. If that were the only issue that existed, I would be a Republican. However, the Democrats have my support on too many other issues and the Republicans have turned me off way too much for me to support them. My hope is to voice my feelings to the party that I do NOT want crap like that stupid '94 ban. In fact, I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous 922R law that makes certain foreign guns only available as refurbished ones. You should be able to buy an AK-47 straight from a factory in China or an SG 550 straight from the factory in Switzerland if you want to.

The owner of that Arizona gun shop is an ASSHOLE to claim that anyone who voted Democratic can't have good safety judgement with a firearm. What total nonsense. The safety protocols are something anyone can learn regardless of political affiliation. Spewing hatred for Democratic gun enthusiasts is just plain dumb when gun owners should be uniting against dumb guns laws, regardless of party affiliation.

So go elsewhere. He's only hurting his own business.

 

[Jerry]

There's a jerk of a gun store owners who has pledged to refuse service to anyone who voted for Obama. This is just plain stupid. Much of the reason Obama hasn't aggressively gone after something lame like bringing back the '94 pseudo-assault weapons ban is because of opposition from within his own party. Some Democrats are for gun control; some aren't. The Democrats have realized that most gun control laws are losing ones politically. I love shooting and don't want to see that right taken away. If that were the only issue that existed, I would be a Republican. However, the Democrats have my support on too many other issues and the Republicans have turned me off way too much for me to support them. My hope is to voice my feelings to the party that I do NOT want crap like that stupid '94 ban. In fact, I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous 922R law that makes certain foreign guns only available as refurbished ones. You should be able to buy an AK-47 straight from a factory in China or an SG 550 straight from the factory in Switzerland if you want to.

The owner of that Arizona gun shop is an ASSHOLE to claim that anyone who voted Democratic can't have good safety judgement with a firearm. What total nonsense. The safety protocols are something anyone can learn regardless of political affiliation. Spewing hatred for Democratic gun enthusiasts is just plain dumb when gun owners should be uniting against dumb guns laws, regardless of party affiliation.

You voted for the next Assault Weapons Ban when you voted for Obama, just as you voted for the next "stimulus package" and Universal Health Care when you voted for Obama. You weighed the issues and you decided that those other issues were more important to you then your right to keep and bear a firearm.

So what if some store owners are looking for free advertisement through the news media by posting a politically charged gimmick. At least they didn't vote in a way which will harm me personally. You, however, did. Don't expect any sympathy.

You are personally just as responsible as Obama when he signs the next AWB into law, as if you were there holding the pen yourself, because you voted for him. On that sad day my one joy will to know that you feel the brunt of your own irresponsibility.

You should not have any firearms in your possession as you've proven your inability to make a responsible decision when you voted for Obama.

 

[Jerry]

Well said. We have a customer service ethic in this country. I used to live in Germany, and I do have some praises for the way they run their country. However, there are also things I think we do better here. One of them is customer service. I've worked retail here, and the one constant I've noticed is the strong emphasis on customer service and always being cognizant that the customers are the reason you have a job. Making them happy is everything. It's not like that in Germany.

That Arizona gun shop's attitude of, "Screw you if you don't vote for who I think you should" is piss poor customer relations. It's un-American. And, btw, one other thing I think we do a lot better than Germany is the support of gun owners rights. It is possible to own a gun in Germany, but they're much more restricted than here. I could not own my AK-47 there, for example. They do a lot better in neighboring Switzerland, however.

Maybe you should go back to Germany.

 

[Jerry]

Well said. We have a customer service ethic in this country. I used to live in Germany, and I do have some praises for the way they run their country. However, there are also things I think we do better here. One of them is customer service. I've worked retail here, and the one constant I've noticed is the strong emphasis on customer service and always being cognizant that the customers are the reason you have a job. Making them happy is everything. It's not like that in Germany.

That Arizona gun shop's attitude of, "Screw you if you don't vote for who I think you should" is piss poor customer relations. It's un-American. And, btw, one other thing I think we do a lot better than Germany is the support of gun owners rights. It is possible to own a gun in Germany, but they're much more restricted than here. I could not own my AK-47 there, for example. They do a lot better in neighboring Switzerland, however.

What is your opinion of gun-buster signs? Do they carry force-of-law in your state? Do you support your state's current position on gun-buster signs?

 

[blackjack50]

There's a jerk of a gun store owners who has pledged to refuse service to anyone who voted for Obama. This is just plain stupid. Much of the reason Obama hasn't aggressively gone after something lame like bringing back the '94 pseudo-assault weapons ban is because of opposition from within his own party. Some Democrats are for gun control; some aren't. The Democrats have realized that most gun control laws are losing ones politically. I love shooting and don't want to see that right taken away. If that were the only issue that existed, I would be a Republican. However, the Democrats have my support on too many other issues and the Republicans have turned me off way too much for me to support them. My hope is to voice my feelings to the party that I do NOT want crap like that stupid '94 ban. In fact, I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous 922R law that makes certain foreign guns only available as refurbished ones. You should be able to buy an AK-47 straight from a factory in China or an SG 550 straight from the factory in Switzerland if you want to.

The owner of that Arizona gun shop is an ASSHOLE to claim that anyone who voted Democratic can't have good safety judgement with a firearm. What total nonsense. The safety protocols are something anyone can learn regardless of political affiliation. Spewing hatred for Democratic gun enthusiasts is just plain dumb when gun owners should be uniting against dumb guns laws, regardless of party affiliation.

Sure. I love that support. But you should follow economic law and take your business elsewhere and keep a tally in how much cash he loses by not doing business with you. I did it to a local gun store who wouldn't give me service for 20 minutes cause I was a young guy in trashy gym clothes. When the guy finally decided to talk to me I told him don't worry about it. I would buy my XD down the road since they actually want my money. I haven't spent a dime there in 5 years.

 

[Luna Tick]

You voted for the next Assault Weapons Ban when you voted for Obama, just as you voted for the next "stimulus package" and Universal Health Care when you voted for Obama. You weighed the issues and you decided that those other issues were more important to you then your right to keep and bear a firearm.

So what if some store owners are looking for free advertisement through the news media by posting a politically charged gimmick. At least they didn't vote in a way which will harm me personally. You, however, did. Don't expect any sympathy.

You are personally just as responsible as Obama when he signs the next AWB into law, as if you were there holding the pen yourself, because you voted for him. On that sad day my one joy will to know that you feel the brunt of your own irresponsibility.

You should not have any firearms in your possession as you've proven your inability to make a responsible decision when you voted for Obama.

Ridiculous. Obama has not done any gun control at all, nor will he. Get back to me when he puts a bill before Congress. Even if he did some kind of bill, gun responsibility is about following safety protocols. Any intelligent person can do that.

I can't support Republicans because today's Republicans are far-right extremists who are dangerous for our country and the world. We have not had a moderate Republican in the White House since Gerald Ford.

 

[Jerry]

Ridiculous. Obama has not done any gun control at all, nor will he. Get back to me when he puts a bill before Congress. Even if he did some kind of bill, gun responsibility is about following safety protocols. Any intelligent person can do that.

I can't support Republicans because today's Republicans are far-right extremists who are dangerous for our country and the world. We have not had a moderate Republican in the White House since Gerald Ford.

You support moderates so much that you vote for a Liberal. That's ridiculous.

 

[SMTA]

Pro 2A is not just based upon Democratic or Republican ideals.

It is based upon self defense and human survival.

I know many liberal folks who are pro 2A.

Everyone needs to use common sense.

 

[Jerry]

Pro 2A is not just based upon Democratic or Republican ideals.

It is based upon self defense and human survival.

I know many liberal folks who are pro 2A.

Everyone needs to use common sense.

There's no such thing as common sense.

One person will say "we need common sense gun-control" and another will say "no gun-control is common sense". It's something which only means what you want it to mean to people who already agree with you. It means something completely different to folks with another view on the topic. Thus "common sense" has no meaning of it's own.

 

[SMTA]

Common sense is a simple concept, Jerry.

Common sense dictates that US citizens have the right to defend themselves.

Common sense dictates that taking a life for self defense is sensible.

Common sense allows those who do not believe in self defense to not own a gun.

Common sense also dictates that reasonable controls be put in place for gun ownership and sales.

The NICS check is an acceptable requirement, and falls under common sense.

Keeping felons and folks under the influence of drugs/alcohol from owning a weapon is a common sense law.

Keeping folks with identified and validated mental issues from owning guns is common sense.

Yes, Jerry, common sense is a simple and easily identified concept.

 

[Jerry]

Common sense is a simple concept, Jerry.

Yes, it's something means whatever the listener wants it to mean, and I'll quote the definition below to prove it.

Common sense dictates that US citizens have the right to defend themselves.

No, that's the second amendment.

Common sense dictates that taking a life for self defense is sensible.

No, that's Title 18 USC § 1111, and your local state code.

Common sense allows those who do not believe in self defense to not own a gun.

No that's the right to engage in commerce.

Common sense also dictates that reasonable controls be put in place for gun ownership and sales.

No that's the Gun Control Act of 1968, and besides, "reasonable" is also subjective.

The NICS check is an acceptable requirement, and falls under common sense.

That's an opinion, not a fact, and that opinion is not shared by many, myself included.

Keeping felons and folks under the influence of drugs/alcohol from owning a weapon is a common sense law.

So the cops should come to my house and take my gun every time I have a shot of Drambuie?

Keeping folks with identified and validated mental issues from owning guns is common sense.

Again, that's an opinion, not a fact.

Yes, Jerry, common sense is a simple and easily identified concept.

Not at all:
"Common sense": sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts. "Sound" is subjective, because pro-control isn't worried about crime, they want to expand government "Prudent" is subjective based on said motivation, crime or government expansion. "Perception" is very highly subjective, because an otherwise reasonable person can be fed bad information and perceive the issue incorrectly, such as students carrying on campus.

Common sense doesn't mean anything real. It's whatever you want it to be.


*****
IMO "common sense" dictates that there shouldn't be any more paperwork, classes, registration or restrictions on the 2A than there is to have a religion or a political opinion. This means practically no restrictions, and many protections. Honestly, as long as you're not harming anyone, go ahead and keep a belt-fed weapon in your trunk. You want to conceal-carry a machine pistol? No problem. You want a silencer on your hunting rifle? You would be doing other hunters a favor. My concealed .45 isn't harming your child when I pick my child up from school, even if it has a 'high-capacity' mag.

And the other side of that is, if you do something stupid and misuse your firearm of choice, all the other armed citizens around you will kill you.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Pro 2A is not just based upon Democratic or Republican ideals.

It is based upon self defense and human survival.

I know many liberal folks who are pro 2A.

Everyone needs to use common sense.

This is true, but honestly the pro second Democrats aren't nearly loud enough to silence the other members of their party. Wish they would make their stances known in a much more demonstrated fashion.

 

[SMTA]

Yes, it's something means whatever the listener wants it to mean, and I'll quote the definition below to prove it.


No, that's the second amendment.


No, that's Title 18 USC § 1111, and your local state code.


No that's the right to engage in commerce.


No that's the Gun Control Act of 1968, and besides, "reasonable" is also subjective.


That's an opinion, not a fact, and that opinion is not shared by many, myself included.


So the cops should come to my house and take my gun every time I have a shot of Drambuie?


Again, that's an opinion, not a fact.


Not at all:
"Common sense": sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts. "Sound" is subjective, because pro-control isn't worried about crime, they want to expand government "Prudent" is subjective based on said motivation, crime or government expansion. "Perception" is very highly subjective, because an otherwise reasonable person can be fed bad information and perceive the issue incorrectly, such as students carrying on campus.

Common sense doesn't mean anything real. It's whatever you want it to be.


*****
IMO "common sense" dictates that there shouldn't be any more paperwork, classes, registration or restrictions on the 2A than there is to have a religion or a political opinion. This means practically no restrictions, and many protections. Honestly, as long as you're not harming anyone, go ahead and keep a belt-fed weapon in your trunk. You want to conceal-carry a machine pistol? No problem. You want a silencer on your hunting rifle? You would be doing other hunters a favor. My concealed .45 isn't harming your child when I pick my child up from school, even if it has a 'high-capacity' mag.

And the other side of that is, if you do something stupid and misuse your firearm of choice, all the other armed citizens around you will kill you.

Your personal hyperbole caused you to completely miss the point.

We are done here.

 

[Jerry]

Your personal hyperbole caused you to completely miss the point.

Another opinion, not a fact.

To you, "common sense" means NICS. To me, "common sense" means no NICS. To some, "common sense" means registration and licensure, and to me "common sense" means it's not the government's business unless and until there's a victim.

"Common sense" is not an objective measure to which other things can be compared against each-other.

 

[ric27]

Pro 2A is not just based upon Democratic or Republican ideals.

It is based upon self defense and human survival.

I know many liberal folks who are pro 2A.

Everyone needs to use common sense.

Disagree....

You ought to keep a measure of separation between "self defense" and the 2nd Amendment, dude

The court and common law all affirm an individual's right to self defense that existed before and separately from the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

 

[SMTA]

Disagree....

You ought to keep a measure of separation between "self defense" and the 2nd Amendment, dude

The court and common law all affirm an individual's right to self defense that existed before and separately from the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

I did not, dude. You assume too much.

 

[American]

There's a jerk of a gun store owners who has pledged to refuse service to anyone who voted for Obama. This is just plain stupid. Much of the reason Obama hasn't aggressively gone after something lame like bringing back the '94 pseudo-assault weapons ban is because of opposition from within his own party. Some Democrats are for gun control; some aren't. The Democrats have realized that most gun control laws are losing ones politically. I love shooting and don't want to see that right taken away. If that were the only issue that existed, I would be a Republican. However, the Democrats have my support on too many other issues and the Republicans have turned me off way too much for me to support them. My hope is to voice my feelings to the party that I do NOT want crap like that stupid '94 ban. In fact, I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous 922R law that makes certain foreign guns only available as refurbished ones. You should be able to buy an AK-47 straight from a factory in China or an SG 550 straight from the factory in Switzerland if you want to.

The owner of that Arizona gun shop is an ASSHOLE to claim that anyone who voted Democratic can't have good safety judgement with a firearm. What total nonsense. The safety protocols are something anyone can learn regardless of political affiliation. Spewing hatred for Democratic gun enthusiasts is just plain dumb when gun owners should be uniting against dumb guns laws, regardless of party affiliation.

Really, how many Democrat gun lovers do we have in Congress?

 

[Jerry]

If you voted Obama then we already don't have your support, so what are we worried about losing from you?

I guess the problem is that "pro-gun Democrat" is a contradiction in terms. If you're pro-gun then you therefore don't support the Left since the Left wants all guns banned.

 

[TurtleDude]

Ridiculous. Obama has not done any gun control at all, nor will he. Get back to me when he puts a bill before Congress. Even if he did some kind of bill, gun responsibility is about following safety protocols. Any intelligent person can do that.

I can't support Republicans because today's Republicans are far-right extremists who are dangerous for our country and the world. We have not had a moderate Republican in the White House since Gerald Ford.

Obama appointed one justice who has already voted against gun rights and had voted against gun rights prior to Obama appointing him. The other appointee has several factors that strongly suggests she is going to be anti gun

 

[TurtleDude]

Really, how many Democrat gun lovers do we have in Congress?

Lets see

Is John Dingell still a congressman from Michigan? that is one of the few

every anti gun law passed federally was mainly a dem bill

 

[Comanche15]

I am more moderate then anything but I think it is wrong for anyone to refuse something to another person because of who he voted for. In my mind he is breaking both the 2nd amendment as well as the our right as United States citizens to vote. And this is a little off topic but I find it amusing that out of 310 million people in our country we can only find 2 who we will consider for president.

 

[John]

There's a jerk of a gun store owners who has pledged to refuse service to anyone who voted for Obama. This is just plain stupid. Much of the reason Obama hasn't aggressively gone after something lame like bringing back the '94 pseudo-assault weapons ban is because of opposition from within his own party. Some Democrats are for gun control; some aren't. The Democrats have realized that most gun control laws are losing ones politically. I love shooting and don't want to see that right taken away. If that were the only issue that existed, I would be a Republican. However, the Democrats have my support on too many other issues and the Republicans have turned me off way too much for me to support them. My hope is to voice my feelings to the party that I do NOT want crap like that stupid '94 ban. In fact, I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous 922R law that makes certain foreign guns only available as refurbished ones. You should be able to buy an AK-47 straight from a factory in China or an SG 550 straight from the factory in Switzerland if you want to.

The owner of that Arizona gun shop is an ASSHOLE to claim that anyone who voted Democratic can't have good safety judgement with a firearm. What total nonsense. The safety protocols are something anyone can learn regardless of political affiliation. Spewing hatred for Democratic gun enthusiasts is just plain dumb when gun owners should be uniting against dumb guns laws, regardless of party affiliation.

I just have two things to say; one he has the right as a business owner to refuse service to anyone he "deems" unworthy. Secondly as a business; I see it as nothing more than an unusual marketing strategy.

If you were in the mind to go get a firearm; I'm certain, based on your post you would not purchase from him. I wouldn't encourage you to. As for "the parties" I've given up and reject any notion of a party affiliation. Until they start controlling membership, no party is really worth supporting.

 

[TurtleDude]

I support the actions of the dems who promote this bill


Sportsmen

 

[Texmex]

You voted for the next Assault Weapons Ban when you voted for Obama, just as you voted for the next "stimulus package" and Universal Health Care when you voted for Obama. You weighed the issues and you decided that those other issues were more important to you then your right to keep and bear a firearm.

So what if some store owners are looking for free advertisement through the news media by posting a politically charged gimmick. At least they didn't vote in a way which will harm me personally. You, however, did. Don't expect any sympathy.

You are personally just as responsible as Obama when he signs the next AWB into law, as if you were there holding the pen yourself, because you voted for him. On that sad day my one joy will to know that you feel the brunt of your own irresponsibility.

You should not have any firearms in your possession as you've proven your inability to make a responsible decision when you voted for Obama.

Typical, total, right-wingnut BS!

I'm a democrat and I also am a gun enthusiasts. I even have a carry license. Too bad if you don't like it that some of us progressives like guns. Get over it!

 

[TurtleDude]

Really, how many Democrat gun lovers do we have in Congress?

a few. just like we have had anti gun dickheads in the GOP-Mike DeWhiner (RINO-Ohio) comes to mind though he has since learned a bit of a lesson.