Do You Trust the Florida Ballot Recount?

[Chomsky]

They can handle being hit by hurricanes, but they can't do an election without something going wrong. :doh

:lamo

 

[Chomsky]

This is illegal. Once ballots are cast, they aren't supposed to be altered. If a ballot isn't signed before being cast, it's void. Pam Keith asked Floridians to commit voter fraud.

I'm not so sure about that. Some states allow one to "cure" a ballot, post election, but still during tabulation. California for one, does this.

 

[Chomsky]

A producer for the Jerry Springer television show once said, "If it weren't for Florida and Texas we wouldn't have enough guests to produce the show."

:lamo

 

[Captain Adverse]

Here's another little gem:

"Florida officials are now saying that nearly 200,000 registered voters may not be U.S. citizens.

An initial list drawn up by the state — and not widely released — shows that a comparison of voter lists and driver's license information turned up a list of nearly 182,000 people who may not be U.S. citizens."

Let me guess; they were auto-registered to vote by the DMV?

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html

Well, well!

Perhaps a factual example of thousands of illegal alien and/or resident alien voters that can't be disputed? Shocking if true, and a refutation of the claims it can't and does not happen.

So if it is the case in Florida, couldn't it also be the case in places with significant numbers (in the millions) of illegal aliens like California, Nevada, Texas, etc.?

Hell, we already see at least one city in California willing to let non-citizens take part in city elections. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...nted-immigrants-vote-school-elections-n893221

I can see how it may be possible for unscrupulous elements packing elections with improperly registered non-citizens to get their party elected.

 

[The Mark]

I fully expect people from both main parties are closely watching the recount, I'd trust it more than the original count.

 

[Anarchon]

There's no reason to trust any ballot count/recount, and many reasons not to.

 

[The Mark]

I trust the Florida recount process; it's the courts I don't trust.

Scott is using his clout as current governor to find judges who will shut the recount down before the big blue counties can possibly complete, with three individual races to recount, in the time that has been allotted to them.

Is that even a thing?
I thought florida changed the laws after 2000 so they HAD to recount.

Manually, if less than .25% difference.

 

[Aristaeus]

The democratic process in America is deeply flawed. You have had hanging chads in 2000, people getting removed from the electoral roll in Georgia, computers selecting the wrong person, people running for local election in charge of the election process. It's effed up.

 

[DiAnna]

Is that even a thing?
I thought florida changed the laws after 2000 so they HAD to recount.

Manually, if less than .25% difference.

They did; however, they set a limit on the number of days allowed for such recounts that huge blue counties could never achieve, especially if there were recounts of three separate elections; in this case Governor, Senate, and Agricultural Administrator.

In Palm Beach (I think, although I could be wrong) the under-votes alone (when software/ballot anomalies) show literally tens of thousands of votes that simply left the senatorial race blank, a few days is not enough to examine all of those votes individually to ascertain what the voter intended. Scott is suing to prevent that county from even trying to manually review and count those votes; of course, Palm Beach is a democratic stronghold.

As far as I'm concerned, if the courts rule for Scott the fix is still in, and tens of thousands of votes which would probably favor the democratic candidate will once again be declared null and void by the courts. However, if the courts rule that every vote should be counted, I still have hope for this country, no matter how the votes tally in the end.

 

[TheParser]

NO.

We are all adults, not naïve children.

We all know that the lady in charge was given that post strictly for political reasons.

During Governor Scott's eight years in office, he did not remove her.

He was embarrassed yesterday during a TV interview when this was brought out.

His cowardice in avoiding the issue for eight years has come back to bite him in the butt.

 

[PeteEU]

Anything run by or in a GOP run state can NOT be trusted. So In Florida... do I trust the result? No because it is a GOP state and GOP states have a long recent history of poll problems and manipulation.



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[bearpoker]

Here's another little gem:

"Florida officials are now saying that nearly 200,000 registered voters may not be U.S. citizens.

An initial list drawn up by the state — and not widely released — shows that a comparison of voter lists and driver's license information turned up a list of nearly 182,000 people who may not be U.S. citizens."

Let me guess; they were auto-registered to vote by the DMV?

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html

The article you cite here is dated 2012. That is hardly "now". Presumably, this issue was dealt with 6 years ago.

 

[Taylor]

Just laughing right now at the pro paper ballot people.

What a &$*(@! mess.

 

[Moderate Right]

I'm going to assume that if you're voting on this poll, you've kept an eye on what's been occurring in Florida's elections process the last several days. Some highlights:

- Gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum (D) conceded the race to Ron DeSantis (R) last week, but has now rescinded his concession.

- A postal worker in Miami-Dade County reported crates of ballots sitting in a storage area of the Opalocka mail facility. Ballots are supposed to be held by the elections board for 22 months after an election. It's unsure whether the ballots found in the storage area were ever counted.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/11/po...ots/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1

- Broward County official Brenda Snipes, who has a history of bungling elections, was found to have missed valid ballots with invalid ones, once again drawing complaints of incompetence, or corruption.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/br...d-illegal-provisional-ballots-with-valid-ones

- The ballots were poorly designed, and several thousand voters missed voting on the Senate race because it was placed directly below the instructions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...odd-ballot-could-cost-sen-nelson-race-n934836

Do you personally trust the recount process now in place in light of how badly many election officials appear to have bungled things in Florida? Why or why not?

I find this thread fascinating. It seems like most of the left trust the recount while most of the right don't trust the recount and yet we have Chuck Schumer demanding that Rick Scott recuse himself from the process. Seems like everything is bass ackwards. I don't trust Snipes and I don't trust ballots materializing out of thin air after the election but I'm going to vote that I trust the recount. I wouldn't be surprised though if investigations found irregularities and wrongdoing on the part of at least one county, if not both.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I'm going to assume that if you're voting on this poll, you've kept an eye on what's been occurring in Florida's elections process the last several days. Some highlights:

- Gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum (D) conceded the race to Ron DeSantis (R) last week, but has now rescinded his concession.

- A postal worker in Miami-Dade County reported crates of ballots sitting in a storage area of the Opalocka mail facility. Ballots are supposed to be held by the elections board for 22 months after an election. It's unsure whether the ballots found in the storage area were ever counted.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/11/po...ots/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1

- Broward County official Brenda Snipes, who has a history of bungling elections, was found to have missed valid ballots with invalid ones, once again drawing complaints of incompetence, or corruption.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/br...d-illegal-provisional-ballots-with-valid-ones

- The ballots were poorly designed, and several thousand voters missed voting on the Senate race because it was placed directly below the instructions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...odd-ballot-could-cost-sen-nelson-race-n934836

Do you personally trust the recount process now in place in light of how badly many election officials appear to have bungled things in Florida? Why or why not?

I actually trust the recount more than the initial tally.

This state has been dominated by republicans for a number of years. The guy that's whining loudest about this is the repub governor of the state.:lamo

 

[Roadvirus]

Anything run by or in a GOP run state can NOT be trusted. So In Florida... do I trust the result? No because it is a GOP state and GOP states have a long recent history of poll problems and manipulation.



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Blah blah Hate Republicans blah Don't Trust Em blah blah Evil Evil blah

 

[Moderate Right]

Anything run by or in a GOP run state can NOT be trusted. So In Florida... do I trust the result? No because it is a GOP state and GOP states have a long recent history of poll problems and manipulation.



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LOL. It is in two Democratic counties where the trouble lies and, in one of them, the person in charge (a Democrat) has already been found guilty of violating election laws.

 

[Moderate Right]

I actually trust the recount more than the initial tally.

This state has been dominated by republicans for a number of years. The guy that's whining loudest about this is the repub governor of the state.:lamo

You would whine to if you were running and had a slight lead and after the election was already over the losing side all of a sudden finds boxes and boxes of ballots that weren't counted.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

You would whine to if you were running and had a slight lead and after the election was already over the losing side all of a sudden finds boxes and boxes of ballots that weren't counted.

No. I'd be embarrassed that the state I spent the last 8 years being governor of screwed up an election I happened to be running in.

 

[rickc]

i believe everyone's vote counts

they all should be counted

but the florida supreme court in their infinite wisdom put a time limit on counting the votes. whatever the votes counted in this recount by thursday is it. its over. no matter how many votes have not been counted by then that is the election.

this happened during the bush gore debacle. Republicans win no matter what the cost!

 

[truthatallcost]

I'm not so sure about that. Some states allow one to "cure" a ballot, post election, but still during tabulation. California for one, does this.

So how would Florida verify the identity of the voters trying to sign these thousandths of ballots? Ask for state issued I.D.? That's racist and oppressive, according to Democrats.

 

[Chomsky]

So how would Florida verify the identity of the voters trying to sign these thousandths of ballots? Ask for state issued I.D.? That's racist and oppressive, according to Democrats.

I believe in Cali the election commission contacts the voter, and gives them the opportunity to remove the cloud or blemish.

 

[truthatallcost]

I believe in Cali the election commission contacts the voter, and gives them the opportunity to remove the cloud or blemish.

Any unsigned ballots cast in the Nov 6 election would be void by now in CA, as they would have been when Pam Keith solicited ballot signatures on November 7:

"Before the close of the polls on election day, completes and submits an unsigned ballot statement, in the form described in clause (ii), to a polling place within the county or a ballot dropoff box."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=ELEC&sectionNum=3019

 

[Chomsky]

Any unsigned ballots cast in the Nov 6 election would be void by now in CA, as they would have been when Pam Keith solicited ballot signatures on November 7:

"Before the close of the polls on election day, completes and submits an unsigned ballot statement, in the form described in clause (ii), to a polling place within the county or a ballot dropoff box."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=ELEC§ionNum=3019

Which matters, how? In relation to my posts?

 

[truthatallcost]

The article you cite here is dated 2012. That is hardly "now". Presumably, this issue was dealt with 6 years ago.

Is it safe to presume anything when we're talking about elections in Florida? :lol: