Do You Think Zimmerman is Guilty?

[joko104]

You don't know what you are talking about..

But for the sake of argument... ONLY GZ had a gun and only GZ was pursuing.. Only GZ knew the cops were on the way.. Only GZ was profiling.. Only GZ had NW training..

Martin was the initial agressor and made the approach - when he angrily approached Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on the phone.
It was Martin who approached Zimmerman and engaged in felony aggravated assault against Zimmerman.
Most people actually are aware that neighbhorhood watch isn't a police organization and has no legal status nor do their regulations.

Really, srly, if you talk any lawyer or police officer they would tell you want you don't understand. Neighborhood watch rules or guidelines are not laws and no one is required to follow them. That seems a very difficult concept for you to grasp. But seriously, ask any lawyer or police officer.

This is probably why you are so confused about the Zimmerman-Martin matter.

 

[sharon]

According to FL it is if you are being attacked. Battery (which TM is guilty of) on the other hand.....

I explained all that to you yesterday and WHY GZ is in hot water.

 

[joko104]

Zimmerman is in hot water because Martin looks like he could be the president's son and Zimmerman doesn't. The prosecution of Zimmerman is racist motivated.

 

[sharon]

Read the law, joko...

Trayvon was NOT doing anything unlawful..

And everything that GZ did was legal, but.. he didn't use reasonable judgment under the circumstances and that caused Trayvon's death..

Goes to reckless disregard.

It doesn't matter who threw the first punch..

You can't frighten and provoke someone then shoot them and say oops.

Martin was the initial agressor and made the approach - when he angrily approached Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on the phone.
It was Martin who approached Zimmerman and engaged in felony aggravated assault against Zimmerman.
Most people actually are aware that neighbhorhood watch isn't a police organization and has no legal status nor do their regulations.

Really, srly, if you talk any lawyer or police officer they would tell you want you don't understand. Neighborhood watch rules or guidelines are not laws and no one is required to follow them. That seems a very difficult concept for you to grasp. But seriously, ask any lawyer or police officer.

This is probably why you are so confused about the Zimmerman-Martin matter.

 

[sharon]

Zimmerman is in hot water because Martin looks like he could be the president's son and Zimmerman doesn't. The prosecution of Zimmerman is racist motivated.

Its not racist at all.

Black teens are also US citizens..........

 

[lpast]

Its not racist at all.

Black teens are also US citizens..........

I have to agree with that statement in that I dont believe zimmerman being prosecuted is racially motivated.....it certainly has many racial overtones to it...

 

[sharon]

I have to agree with that statement in that I dont believe zimmerman being prosecuted is racially motivated.....it certainly has many racial overtones to it...

Well, there has been a huge effort to make this about race or about partisan politics... and that's a mistake. It also reflects poorly on Americans.

 

[OscarB63]

I love how when the story first broke, the zimm haters made such a big deal about how he was a rogue vigilante and SELF-APPOINTED watch captain

But now they are squealing that he is a fully trained member of the neighborhood watch.

 

[Phoenix]

He wasn't a member of Neighborhood Watch. (the official organization)
He was the watch captain of the community neighborhood watch. (people being aware of their community and the goings on there)

What difference does it make if he was a Neighborhood Watch member or not?

 

[sharon]

I love how when the story first broke, the zimm haters made such a big deal about how he was a rogue vigilante and SELF-APPOINTED watch captain

But now they are squealing that he is a fully trained member of the neighborhood watch.

Well, The story wasn't even picked up nationally for a month.. and I guess people were outraged that a NW captain killed a teen in a series of blunders and errors in judgment.

He was trained.. the name of the officer who put on the presentation has been named and has given a statement.

GZ chose to disregard that training, but the HOA is on the hook for civil liability because they name him as NW caaptain in their newsletter.

 

[lpast]

Well, there has been a huge effort to make this about race or about partisan politics... and that's a mistake. It also reflects poorly on Americans.

Thats what i said...the prosecution I dont believe was based on racisim but all the overtones are like the Black Panthers and many other incidents on both sides...its a racially charged case..

 

[sharon]

Thats what i said...the prosecution I dont believe was based on racisim but all the overtones are like the Black Panthers and many other incidents on both sides...its a racially charged case..

I don't put much stock in the influence of the NBP punks.. and I don't think the black community does either.

The concern I saw here came out of the black churches and NOBLE.

 

[PrometheusBound]

Well, The story wasn't even picked up nationally for a month.. and I guess people were outraged that a NW captain killed a teen in a series of blunders and errors in judgment.

He was trained.. the name of the officer who put on the presentation has been named and has given a statement.

GZ chose to disregard that training, but the HOA is on the hook for civil liability because they name him as NW caaptain in their newsletter.

There were no errors in realistic judgment. In the real world, cops hardly ever show up in time. It was Zimmerman's duty to follow up on reasonable suspicions and protect the neighborhood until the police could take over. People who judge his actions as irresponsible are the same people who are weak and negligent in protecting the whole country from both its foreign and domestic enemies. People will vote against Liberals when they feel threatened by the Liberals' apparent sympathy for our enemies.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

He was a self-appointed captain of an unofficial group not sanctioned by the HOA.

If that is all it takes then I am commanding general of the people's army of the republic

Nice. Top off the delusions with a dose of insanity.

He was designated captain BY the HOA. How much more sanctioned by it could he be??

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting​

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."​

 

[joko104]

He wasn't a member of Neighborhood Watch. (the official organization)
He was the watch captain of the community neighborhood watch. (people being aware of their community and the goings on there)

What difference does it make if he was a Neighborhood Watch member or not?

Absolute no difference whatsoever. Thank you.

 

[sharon]

There were no errors in realistic judgment. In the real world, cops hardly ever show up in time. It was Zimmerman's duty to follow up on reasonable suspicions and protect the neighborhood until the police could take over. People who judge his actions as irresponsible are the same people who are weak and negligent in protecting the whole country from both its foreign and domestic enemies. People will vote against Liberals when they feel threatened by the Liberals' apparent sympathy for our enemies.

Oh I'm not a liberal..

Because of GZ's series of errors, blunders and lousy judgment Trayvon is dead, he's on trial for Murder 2 and the HOA has incurred a HUGE civil liability.

GZ's "duty" as you put it was not to profile, follow and frighten someone who was NOT involved in any unlawful activity.

WHO are these "foreign and domestic enemies"?

 

[Tucker Case]

Now what you're saying makes no sense. Previously, you were giving more authority to a 911 operator than to a Neighborhood Watch trainer, now you're saying a public official has more authority than "some random dude." Except Neighborhood Watch trainers are not just "random dudes." Training comes from law enforcement agencies, often by police. You know, public officials. So by your own standard, 911 operators have no more authority than Neighborhood Watch trainers.

I was involved in a neighborhood watch with my condo association and our "training" came from a random dude. Perhaps mine was a non-official one like Z's was.

:roll::roll::roll:

Yeah, ya did...

"On the flipside, if he had been told not to follow during one of those previous 911 calls, he's going to probably hang." ~ Tucker Case​

I guess if you can't even remember what you say, then even you don't think it's of any value. :shrug:

I remember what I said, but I also know what the word "if" means. Do you?

 

[sharon]

I was involved in a neighborhood watch with my condo association and our "training" came from a random dude. Perhaps mine was a non-official one like Z's was.




I remember what I said, but I also know what the word "if" means. Do you?

Well its not boot camp.. Was your person some sort of liaison with the police dept?

 

[OscarB63]

Nice. Top off the delusions with a dose of insanity.

He was designated captain BY the HOA. How much more sanctioned by it could he be??

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting​

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."​

So I guess that means sharon was lying when she said the HOA had no NW policies. Remind me never to take anything she says at face value.

The MSM also have been lying when they called him a self appointed captain

 

[sharon]

So I guess that means sharon was lying when she said the HOA had no NW policies. Remind me never to take anything she says at face value.

The MSM also have been lying when they called him a self appointed captain

GZ just chose not to follow them...

Do you understand now?

The Retreat never registered with the National Sherrif's Association which sponsors NW training.

GZ did his own thing.

 

[OscarB63]

GZ just chose not to follow them...

That is not what you said. You claimed the HOA had no policies

Do you understand now?

Yes, i understand you can't remember what you have said from one page to the next

 

[sharon]

That is not what you said. You claimed the HOA had no policies


Yes, i understand you can't remember what you have said from one page to the next

The HOA didn't insist that GZ follow NW protocols or step down.....

They left GZ do his own thing..

He volunteered to be captain.. and they let him.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Zimmerman was an HOA guy? Fry him! NO, that's to good for him. Tar, feather, beat and drag him a crossed a field of broken glass. F'n HOAs.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

I was involved in a neighborhood watch with my condo association and our "training" came from a random dude. Perhaps mine was a non-official one like Z's was.

Now you're making stuff up. The person who trained Zimmerman was not some random "non-official" dude but the Crime Prevention Specialist (Wendy Dorival) working out of the Sanford Police Department.

Sanford Police Department

I remember what I said, but I also know what the word "if" means. Do you?

Yeah, it means you're trying to hide behind a little word if to cover for your big ass mistake. But you fail. Miserably.

I pointed out how you said, "had a previous 911 call also advised him not to follow..."

And your absurd claim that you didn't say that when you said, "if he had been told not to follow during one of those previous 911 calls," is simply nonsensical on its face since both "had" and "if" are used in the same context in the two sentences. The sentences have the same meaning and it's more respectful for someone to just own up to their ****ups rather than dig their hole even deeper.

 

[sharon]

Now you're making stuff up. The person who trained Zimmerman was not some random "non-official" dude but the Crime Prevention Specialist (Wendy Dorival) working out of the Sanford Police Department.

Sanford Police Department



Yeah, it means you're trying to hide behind a little word if to cover for your big ass mistake. But you fail. Miserably.

I pointed out how you sad, "had a previous 911 call also advised him not to follow..."

And your absurd claim that you didn't say that when you said, "if he had been told not to follow during one of those previous 911 calls," is simply nonsensical on its face since both "had" and "if" are used in the same context in the two sentences. The sentences have the same meaning and it's more respectful for someone to just own up to their ****ups rather than dig their hole even deeper.

This is a bit of a puff piece, but Floridians are demanding more oversight for Neighborhood Watch

Floridians Want More Neighborhood Watch Oversight After Trayvon Martin's Death, George Zimmerman's Arrest - International Business Times