Do you think she should be allowed back?

[ngdawg]

I do have kids, and I have worked in the school system, thank you much.

That said, I am not a teacher, and neither are you obviously, but that's not even the point, the point is, should young elementary age students be exposed to a transgender 71 year old man? Had this person been a transgender for many years, not been married for 33 years, or had three kids as a man, I might say this is someone just trying to be themselves. As it stands, this person has worked at this school as a man, and now wants to be a woman, and these children have to face this confusion with this person! It is not fair to the students, the parents, or the school for this person to even ask to be allowed to distract the entire school, no matter what some liberal "progressive" thinks about it.

This is the same problem that gets patient's killed in doctors offices across this country, whether the AMA, or a teachers Union that protects these people no matter how strange, irresponsible, dangerous that they are to others. This will be resolved, so I don't mind your argument to the contrary, it's been a bit of comic relief, thanks.

What does being married have to do with anything??? What does anything in the personal life of a teacher, short of criminal, have to do with the job? Maybe you should be fired for looking at porn or someone else fired for being gay...maybe those divorced teachers should all be flipping burgers.
The only comic relief here is your obvious bigotry, close minded remarks and ridiculous comments as to whether someone you have no clue about personally is qualified to teach. And sweeping the bathroom stalls in a school is NOT working with kids....
At least I taught, worked side by side with kids and developed rapport with them(to toot my own horn, to the personal thanks from many parents upon their commencement to highschool. and you did....what, exactly?)-apparently you don't even know what an asst teacher is, let alone the requirements to be a teacher. Until you do all that, you really aren't much in the way of knowledge at all in this arena, you are just blowing smoke from where the sun don't shine.

 

[talloulou]

But does a heterosexual teacher get have a divorce without fear of losing their job? Do teachers get to practice the religion of their choice without fear of losing their job? Do teachers who get breast implants get to have them without fear of losing their job?

Perhaps if these issues become a distraction at school they could lose their job. Anotherwards if my kids know a teacher is going through a messy divorce, if my kids know their teacher is getting stripper boobs, if my kids know all about a teachers religious beliefs then I believe there is a problem and I would address it with the school board.

If you belive that all these things are ok but a sex change is not, then you are prejudice. This teacher has a right to have a sex change without fear of losing their job.

Did you read my post. I admitted my prejudice. At first I thought this teacher should just be moved to a different school. But when I think about it I have to admit I wouldn't want it to be my kids school. So yeah.....this is the line I have drawn. This is my prejudice. I believe this person has too much baggage to teach my kids.

Who says that the teacher is discussing it in class anyway? Making things up in a debate is an inappropriate distraction.

I don't know how big this school is. My kids school is small. My son knows all the teachers, even the ones he has yet to have. If one of them came to school tomorrow as a different sex and he had to call them Ms instead of Mr he'd notice, question, and talk up a storm about it.

Did anyone actually read this acticle? It reported that two students went to the meetings to support the teacher. It did not mention any that did not. Seems like the children are old enough to understand.

Yeah cause the parents who don't wish to expose their kids to this aren't gonna bring them to the meeting! Duh! They also brought even more transexuals to the meeting. Believe me I read the article. And the support of two past students isn't very much support if you ask me. Plus if you read the quotes there is one parent quote in support of this and 4 quotes against.

The article makes it pretty clear that most tax paying parents don't want this teacher for their kids.

 

[Alex]

I do, I am not yet ready for 71 year old man who decides after 33 years of marriage, and three children, that they now want to be a "lady" Yeah, I have a big problem with that, and especially when they want to teach our kids. I know, call me crazy, but I see this as irresponsible for a school board to over look such a huge issue as this, and when elementary school children are at the center. I know, I'm the weird one here, LOL:rofl

OK, you are crazy.

 

[Alex]

Perhaps if these issues become a distraction at school they could lose their job. Anotherwards if my kids know a teacher is going through a messy divorce, if my kids know their teacher is getting stripper boobs, if my kids know all about a teachers religious beliefs then I believe there is a problem and I would address it with the school board.



Did you read my post. I admitted my prejudice. At first I thought this teacher should just be moved to a different school. But when I think about it I have to admit I wouldn't want it to be my kids school. So yeah.....this is the line I have drawn. This is my prejudice. I believe this person has too much baggage to teach my kids.




I don't know how big this school is. My kids school is small. My son knows all the teachers, even the ones he has yet to have. If one of them came to school tomorrow as a different sex and he had to call them Ms instead of Mr he'd notice, question, and talk up a storm about it.

Yeah cause the parents who don't wish to expose their kids to this aren't gonna bring them to the meeting! Duh! They also brought even more transexuals to the meeting. Believe me I read the article. And the support of two past students isn't very much support if you ask me.

So you believe that a person should lose their job because of your own personal prejudice? I see the problem here now. You feel you are better than other people.

 

[Deegan]

What does being married have to do with anything??? What does anything in the personal life of a teacher, short of criminal, have to do with the job? Maybe you should be fired for looking at porn or someone else fired for being gay...maybe those divorced teachers should all be flipping burgers.
The only comic relief here is your obvious bigotry, close minded remarks and ridiculous comments as to whether someone you have no clue about personally is qualified to teach. And sweeping the bathroom stalls in a school is NOT working with kids....
At least I taught, worked side by side with kids and developed rapport with them(to toot my own horn, to the personal thanks from many parents upon their commencement to highschool. and you did....what, exactly?)-apparently you don't even know what an asst teacher is, let alone the requirements to be a teacher. Until you do all that, you really aren't much in the way of knowledge at all in this arena, you are just blowing smoke from where the sun don't shine.

So you graded papers for a busy teacher, woop de woo, big facking deal, you're still no teacher, and never will be, thank God. Because if you were, you would obviously put the teacher above the student, no matter how inappropriate, or dangerous their behavior, you should be really proud!:roll:

I was assistant coach for the high school baseball team, and the school did just fine without the insertion of a 71 year old tranny, no pun intended, yuk!

 

[ngdawg]

Actually, as I said, I TAUGHT, teachers did the grades and all that administrative work...figures you're a coach...you can't read....
I stood up for the kids, much to my union rep's constant dismay, not that that is any of your business. And it is for the kids I will continue to advocate...
You, with your coach mentality, can continue to wish all Hooters servers taught in the schools, but qualification tests don't ask for personal descriptives. And whether she is 71 and manly or 31 and petite has NOTHING to do with how well the job is done. Personally, I'd take the 71 year old-I got rather frustrated having to correct the spelling of the just-out-of-college teachers who couldn't control note passing let alone field questions of curiosity, but had a great time teaching alongside those with experience.

Oh....here's your pointy white hood, you dropped it chasing after that bimbo with the book:lamo

 

[jamesrage]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060228/0418193875.htm&sc=1110

EAGLESWOOD TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) - To students at Eagleswood Elementary School, she used to be Mr. McBeth. Now, after undergoing a sex change, 71-year-old Lily McBeth is ready to return to teaching as Miss McBeth.

Despite criticism from parents, the school board on Monday stood by its decision to allow McBeth to resume working as a substitute teacher.

After two hours of public debate and a private meeting with McBeth and her lawyer, the board took no action on calls by several parents to bar McBeth from returning to the school where she taught for five years before becoming a woman.

``It was magnificent,'' McBeth said afterward. ``You saw democracy in action.''


I'm all for personal freedoms. I even agree with some instances of gender reassignment (hemaphrodites), but how do you explain this to a 7 year old?

Insane people do not belong around children.They belong in mental institutions getting psycological help.

 

[teacher]

Absolutely. Perfect opportunity for parents to step up to the plate and do their job. Preparing their kids for life. In theory.

In reality. I don't want some dude with issues so severe in life that he resorts to chopping off his own Billo anywhere near my kids, unless it's while I point out to my kids a walking example of a freak. He's not a woman now. He never will be a woman. I don't care if he puts sea shells in the bathroom and forgets how to properly use the remote. He's just some nut that chopped his own penis off.

I wonder, can he sue parents that wont let their kids be in his class for some sort of discrimination?

 

[talloulou]

So you believe that a person should lose their job because of your own personal prejudice? I see the problem here now. You feel you are better than other people.

I feel not all people are suited for the care and education of my child...yes.

 

[jamesrage]

So you believe that a person should lose their job because of your own personal prejudice? I see the problem here now. You feel you are better than other people.

The man is a wack job.Wack jobs belong in mental instittutions not teaching children in schools.He is seriously ****ed up in the head.Having someone chop off thier manhood is not a sign of mental stability.

 

[shuamort]

Let's see, she's also wearing a crucifix. Should this be allowed? Aren't 7 year olds to understand the complexities of religion and the symbol of death, murder, and sacrifice of a martyr named Christ? Should we make sure that none of this is shown in classes? Children might ask about this cross that she's wearing.

(Tongue-in-cheek point made above).

 

[jamesrage]

Let's see, she's also wearing a crucifix. Should this be allowed? Aren't 7 year olds to understand the complexities of religion and the symbol of death, murder, and sacrifice of a martyr named Christ? Should we make sure that none of this is shown in classes? Children might ask about this cross that she's wearing.

(Tongue-in-cheek point made above).

A man who has his nuts chopped off is insane.A man who is confused to what sex he is is seriously ****ed up in the head.
Why don't we let those people with multiple personalities teach our children too?It would be more teachers for the price of one, unless they get a lawer to negociate more pay for them.

 

[Alex]

Absolutely. Perfect opportunity for parents to step up to the plate and do their job. Preparing their kids for life. In theory.

In reality. I don't want some dude with issues so severe in life that he resorts to chopping off his own Billo anywhere near my kids, unless it's while I point out to my kids a walking example of a freak. He's not a woman now. He never will be a woman. I don't care if he puts sea shells in the bathroom and forgets how to properly use the remote. He's just some nut that chopped his own penis off.

I wonder, can he sue parents that wont let their kids be in his class for some sort of discrimination?

In reality you are abusing your status as a parent to satisfy your own issues. That is the worst kind of parent. Just because your mind is too closed to understand all types of people does not mean people cannot fuction around children.

 

[Alex]

The man is a wack job.Wack jobs belong in mental instittutions not teaching children in schools.He is seriously ****ed up in the head.Having someone chop off thier manhood is not a sign of mental stability.

When you use language like this to get your point across you are not a rational person and it makes your points meaningless.

 

[jamesrage]

When you use language like this to get your point across you are not a rational person and it makes your points meaningless.

So letting a insane person around your kids is perfectly acceptable?

 

[Conflict]

The answer is not only no.. it is HELL NO.

There is no room for such type of depravation in the halls of our schools. This is ridiculous and should not even be a question. I am completely against sex change operations from A to Z. I hate fake breasts... I hate fake people. I hate transvestites. YOu are what you are. Deal with it. Perhaps I may seem to be lacking compassion on the issue. SO be it. I see nothing but complete disgust.

 

[shuamort]

A man who has his nuts chopped off is insane.A man who is confused to what sex he is is seriously ****ed up in the head.
Why don't we let those people with multiple personalities teach our children too?It would be more teachers for the price of one, unless they get a lawer to negociate more pay for them.

You responded to my points with the same unproven points you've made before. Feel free when quoting someone to respond to what they're saying.

 

[shuamort]

The answer is not only no.. it is HELL NO.

There is no room for such type of depravation in the halls of our schools. This is ridiculous and should not even be a question. I am completely against sex change operations from A to Z. I hate fake breasts... I hate fake people. I hate transvestites. YOu are what you are. Deal with it. Perhaps I may seem to be lacking compassion on the issue. SO be it. I see nothing but complete disgust.

Yes, people shouldn't wear clothes because clothes are fake coverings. You were born without clothes and you shouldn't need them.

 

[Conflict]

Yes, people shouldn't wear clothes because clothes are fake coverings. You were born without clothes and you shouldn't need them.

Clothes only cover that wich is natural. Sex change operations take natural to bizarre. Children have a grand sense of intuition. Anyone who has them or who has had them is aware of this.

I am admittedly by some means a naturalist but I do not in any way. shape. or form believe that there is anything so pure and natural about the installment or deinstallment of genitals. Nor do I favor the social ramifications which may occur there-of such artificial installment. Basically stated there is nothing natural about transexuals. If they want to live in la-la land that is their perogative.... but let's keep it away from the kids.

 

[shuamort]

Clothes only cover that wich is natural. Sex change operations take natural to bizarre. Children have a grand sense of intuition. Anyone who has them or who has had them is aware of this.

I am adimittedly by some means a naturalist but I do not in any way shape or form believe that there is anything so pure and natural about the installment or deinstallment of genitals or the social ramifications which may occure there-of. Basically stated there is nothing natural about transexuals. If they want to live in la-la land that is their perogative.... but let's keep it away from the kids.

There's nothing natural about a haircut then either. Hair was genetically engineered to grow long on the top of the head. If you're a naturalist, you shouldn't have a haircut as that would be "against nature". Of course, society has evolved past that caveman mentality.

 

[Conflict]

There's nothing natural about a haircut then either. Hair was genetically engineered to grow long on the top of the head. If you're a naturalist, you shouldn't have a haircut as that would be "against nature". Of course, society has evolved past that caveman mentality.

Then I guess we should also just throw dentist, physicians, scientist, and teachers into the wind in general! Makes sense. NOT.

 

[Conflict]

If you're a naturalist, you shouldn't have a haircut as that would be "against nature"

A sex change operation is clearly "against nature".

 

[jamesrage]

You responded to my points with the same unproven points you've made before. Feel free when quoting someone to respond to what they're saying.

Having gender identity issues and chopping off your manhood to become something your are not is clearly something a totally insane person would do.

 

[teacher]

In reality you are abusing your status as a parent to satisfy your own issues.

Pointing out whack jobs is part of my job as a parent.

That is the worst kind of parent.

I'm guessing you don't have kids.

Just because your mind is too closed to understand all types of people does not mean people cannot fuction around children.

Oh, I understand this type of person just fine. Good thing this nation gives ME, the parent, the right to decide who will function around MY kids, not you. This freak may function just fine around children. Not a chance I'm willing to take. My right, my call. I don't tell other people how to raise their kids. I don't say this wing nut can't do what it wants to itself. I don't say this freak can't live next door to me or shop where I shop. But I do get to control the influences in my children's lives.

Deal with it.

 

[ngdawg]

Good grief I feel so sorry for your kids being raised by such a bigotted, irrational, unsympathetic, uncaring and emotionally unstable person such as yourself, Teacher....bet they like picking on the geeky kids with bad skin and fat kids with glasses too.

You should be ashamed to even use that moniker.