Do you think she should be allowed back?

[talloulou]

I doubt many 7-year-olds protest against sex-change operations either.

Whether the seven year olds or the seven year olds parents protest sex changes or not is NOT the issue. The issue is that there is a time and place for everything. It is unprofessional to bring your personal life in to the classroom. In this case it is unavoidable unless the teacher accepts placement somewhere new where she will be knows as a she and that's that. Distractions in school are unacceptable. Schools don't hesitate to toss out kids who are a distraction.

And if you think a 7yr old learning that a teacher that use to be a he is now a she is not a distraction you have never been around seven year olds.

 

[talloulou]

If it's not to personal do any of you people who think she should teach in the same class have kids?????

 

[ngdawg]

My GAWD, People!!! You act like she's gonna lift her dress and show her scars!!!
I have never seen such ignorance in any topic of this forum before and there's been PLENTY.

 

[ngdawg]

If it's not to personal do any of you people who think she should teach in the same class have kids?????

I DO have kids, I have both volunteered and worked in our school system for a total of 6 years....do YOU have kids in school? Do you visit that school or volunteer there? Ever work with ages 5-14? I have and the three of you are so off this planet, I am simply dumbstruck...

 

[Deegan]

:roll:

You're saying that having a sex-change makes her an incompetent teacher?



Children aren't confused, they're curious. They only become confused when adults refuse to answer their questions and act like they shouldn't have been asked in the first place.



Maybe she expected the school board to be tolerant. And it appears that they are.

Hey kids, look, it's Dick Cheney with a wig......

Give me a facking break, this is not the kind of thing a young child should be starring at for 7 hours a day, it even frightens me, and can only imagine how much it distracts them. No, this will not stand, nor should it, this thing should have thought about it's career before this mid-life crisis, I have absolutely no compassion for a..........wait for it now, "father of three" who just now decide it wants to be a woman, weeeeeeeeeeeeee, what a joke.

 

[talloulou]

You put THIS in a category with terrorism and porn???

No I don't. I'm just pointing out in fact that there are TOPICS that are inappropriate for young children.

It is not BS..if you can't answer your child's questions, then you look it up together and if you REFUSE to answer your child's questions or oppose this person's placement, then yes, that is lazy.

That's not the point. The point is it is UNPROFESSIONAL for this to be brought up in an elementary class at all.

No one talked about the breast implant thing. Lets say a flat teacher went and got huge stripper size DD breast implants over the summer. That would be ridiculously UNPROFESSIONAL in my opinion and I'd be pissed that I had to have discussions regarding that with my kid.

And the idea that I can talk to my kids about topics isn't the whole point. The whole point is that this teacher will be asked questions by the children that she will answer. She may be qualified to teach reading and math but be completely unqualified to teach my child about sex changes. Whose to say what kind of answers she'll give my kid. And that is the WHOLE point....it's not her job to answer these questions. That's not what she was hired to do yet by the very nature of her sex change she will be answering questions 'cause the kids won't just let that rest.

 

[Kandahar]

Whether the seven year olds or the seven year olds parents protest sex changes or not is NOT the issue. The issue is that there is a time and place for everything. It is unprofessional to bring your personal life in to the classroom.

Oh really? So you're against teachers taking time off for maternity leave? Should they be kicked out as soon as they start showing signs of pregnancy, because it's bringing their personal life into the class?

Are you also against teachers making even the slightest mention of their family during class? If a teacher casually mentions that he likes to ski, should he be fired for bringing his personal life into class?

In this case it is unavoidable unless the teacher accepts placement somewhere new where she will be knows as a she and that's that. Distractions in school are unacceptable. Schools don't hesitate to toss out kids who are a distraction.

Of all the "distractions" in a school, this is quite low on the list. There are too many incompetent teachers in our schools to fire someone over something as stupid as this.

And if you think a 7yr old learning that a teacher that use to be a he is now a she is not a distraction you have never been around seven year olds.

It's only a distraction for the child if the parents have conditioned them to believe that this is disgusting and immoral.



For a child with no prior experience with the subject, which of these conversations would be more confusing/distracting:

CHILD #1: Why is Mr. Smith a woman now?
PARENT #1: Because she went to the doctor and had an operation to become Mrs. Smith.
CHILD #1: Why?
PARENT #1: Because she felt she would be happier as a woman. It's a choice that some adults make.


CHILD #2: Why is Mr. Smith a woman now?
PARENT #2: Because he's an immoral f@ggot who is going to burn in hell.
CHILD #2: Why?
PARENT #2: Enough with the damn questions, and don't ever bring it up again.

 

[talloulou]

Oh really? So you're against teachers taking time off for maternity leave? Should they be kicked out as soon as they start showing signs of pregnancy, because it's bringing their personal life into the class?

No but that's something children are exposed to all the time! It's not confusing to them at all. But lets say the teacher was showing or mentioned she was pregnant and then she had an abortion and answered questions about abortion in the class....I'd be abolutely PISSED!

Of all the "distractions" in a school, this is quite low on the list. There are too many incompetent teachers in our schools to fire someone over something as stupid as this.

I agree with you there are too many incompetent teachers. If this teacher is competent she should not be fired she should be placed in a different school in the district.

It's only a distraction for the child if the parents have conditioned them to believe that this is disgusting and immoral.

AGAIN I ask.....do you have kids?

For a child with no prior experience with the subject, which of these conversations would be more confusing/distracting:

CHILD #1: Why is Mr. Smith a woman now?
PARENT #1: Because she went to the doctor and had an operation to become Mrs. Smith.
CHILD #1: Why?
PARENT #1: Because she felt she would be happier as a woman. It's a choice that some adults make.


CHILD #2: Why is Mr. Smith a woman now?
PARENT #2: Because he's an immoral f@ggot who is going to burn in hell.
CHILD #2: Why?
PARENT #2: Enough with the damn questions, and don't ever bring it up again.

First off neither of those conversations would work with a seven year old. The first is too simple. The second is disgusting. The point is what will she say when she is asked????? Is she qualified to speak to my kids on this topic? What if I don't agree with what she will say?

 

[ngdawg]

:roll:


Hey kids, look, it's Dick Cheney with a wig......

Give me a facking break, this is not the kind of thing a young child should be starring at for 7 hours a day, it even frightens me, and can only imagine how much it distracts them. No, this will not stand, nor should it, this thing should have thought about it's career before this mid-life crisis, I have absolutely no compassion for a..........wait for it now, "father of three" who just now decide it wants to be a woman, weeeeeeeeeeeeee, what a joke.

Oh so just being ugly is a reason to get rid of her???? Don't look now, but your ignorance is leaking.....

 

[talloulou]

I DO have kids, I have both volunteered and worked in our school system for a total of 6 years....do YOU have kids in school? Do you visit that school or volunteer there? Ever work with ages 5-14? I have and the three of you are so off this planet, I am simply dumbstruck...

I do have kids ages 5 + 6. They are very inquisitive and this would be a huge distracting deal. Furthermore I volunteer as a 1st grade reading tutor once a week and spend one day a week in my daughters class so I meet tons of kids. This would be a big deal to them. But the bigger deal would be what this teacher is going to say to explain this deal to my kids? How is she gonna answer the questions? I bet her explanations weren't that great for her ex wife and kids? So how can I trust what she's gonna say to my kids when asked? Put her in a new school and let it become a non issue. The kids will just think she's ugly.

 

[Deegan]

Oh so just being ugly is a reason to get rid of her???? Don't look now, but your ignorance is leaking.....

Who said Ugly? I said frightening, a 71 year old man in a wig is frightening, and this school board is frightening as well! To allow a 71 year old man who should just retire, to now teach in the same school were he was know as a man, this is unacceptable, and heads should roll! This person who is the father of three, and who was married for 33 years, now wants to be a woman, so be it, but not in any school I pay taxes for! I can't believe what some of you think is appropriate, you obviously don't have children, and please, do us all a favor and don't ever have any, you would fail miserably!:roll:

 

[ngdawg]

No I don't. I'm just pointing out in fact that there are TOPICS that are inappropriate for young children.



That's not the point. The point is it is UNPROFESSIONAL for this to be brought up in an elementary class at all.

No one talked about the breast implant thing. Lets say a flat teacher went and got huge stripper size DD breast implants over the summer. That would be ridiculously UNPROFESSIONAL in my opinion and I'd be pissed that I had to have discussions regarding that with my kid.

And the idea that I can talk to my kids about topics isn't the whole point. The whole point is that this teacher will be asked questions by the children that she will answer. She may be qualified to teach reading and math but be completely unqualified to teach my child about sex changes. Whose to say what kind of answers she'll give my kid. And that is the WHOLE point....it's not her job to answer these questions. That's not what she was hired to do yet by the very nature of her sex change she will be answering questions 'cause the kids won't just let that rest.

You are so off the wall, I don't know where to start!:roll:
First you assume kids will notice or care. Or that they even know she used to be Mr. M. So for the sake of argument, let's make those assumptions. They notice. They ask a question: Ms. M, how come you aren't Mr. M anymore? Now, do you really think she's going to go into the details of transgender????? Oy.....The only one not qualified to teach your kids about transgender is you.
Teachers can control what and when to learn in their classrooms and those that can't have proven they can't and aren't teaching. Depending on where they are placed, they have to know about that age group-high school teachers teach high school, elementary teachers teach within the years they are best qualified to and should they switch, they take workshops and certification tests to fill that position.
Kids before the age of 7 or 8 accept the simplest answers as their trust and lack of cynicism is still there. If you are making a big deal of something, they will too. Answer short and directly and they won't give it a second thought.

 

[ngdawg]

Who said Ugly? I said frightening, a 71 year old man in a wig is frightening, and this school board is frightening as well! To allow a 71 year old man who should just retire, to now teach in the same school were he was know as a man, this is unacceptable, and heads should roll! This person who is the father of three, and who was married for 33 years, now wants to be a woman, so be it, but not in any school I pay taxes for! I can't believe what some of you think is appropriate, you obviously don't have children, and please, do us all a favor and don't ever have any, you would fail miserably!:roll:

Read again. Not only do I have twins, I worked in our school system a total of over 5 years, 3 with 12-14 year olds. Do US parents a favor...please get fixed....the very idea that you could possibly be bringing your share of ignorance into the world is a lot more frightening than some manly face under a mane of blonde hair.

 

[talloulou]

Kids before the age of 7 or 8 accept the simplest answers as their trust and lack of cynicism is still there. If you are making a big deal of something, they will too. Answer short and directly and they won't give it a second thought.

My kids don't accept simple answers...maybe that has something to do with me:mrgreen:

I guess I'm learning that everyone draws their own lines. If someone said to me I'd never let a gay man teach my children in school....I'd look at them and say they were nuts. Yet really that's just where they drew their line...apparently mine is drawn with this whole sex change teacher thing.

I thought about it and to be honest even if they did send this teacher to another school I'd hope it wasn't my kids school so I guess the bottem line is I do have issues..

It just seems to me that someone who was married for that long and had kids and then decides to do the whole sex change thing is, in my mind and my opinion, a confused person with a lot going on and I guess I don't trust someone with that type of baggage teaching my kids.

I've thought about it and I can own this prejudice. Right or wrong it's mine to deal with.

 

[Deegan]

Read again. Not only do I have twins, I worked in our school system a total of over 5 years, 3 with 12-14 year olds. Do US parents a favor...please get fixed....the very idea that you could possibly be bringing your share of ignorance into the world is a lot more frightening than some manly face under a mane of blonde hair.

Doing what exactly, please tell me what you could possibly be doing at the school, because if it's anything other then, lunch ladies assistant, I would like to warn this school? I can't imagine anyone not being concerned with a 71 year old tranny working at their school, especially one who can't even get their life together after 33 years of marriage, and three grown children! It's about protecting the children from the same confusion this man obviously suffers from, and he is 71 YEARS OLD!!! I feel sorry for your children, and your husband, if you still have one. Just because you go to a few PTA meetings, does not make you an expert on child care, or anything for that matter, other then cookie baking, what the hell do you know about anything?:doh

 

[Navy Pride]

I doubt many 7-year-olds protest against sex-change operations either.

It just might confuse a few 7 year olds when they see their teacher a man one day and the next a ridiculous looking old woman the next.........You liberals just don't get it and never will.........Let the 7 year olds have their innocence.....They will have plenty of time to learn about this kind of thing when they are old enough...........

 

[Axismaster]

Sex change operations are the height of pervyness. Things like these made me conservative.

 

[Alex]

Terrible example..........I doubt if many 7 years old protested against integration.........

Terrible response. I doubt that many 7 year olds protest against sex-change operations.

 

[ngdawg]

Doing what exactly, please tell me what you could possibly be doing at the school, because if it's anything other then, lunch ladies assistant, I would like to warn this school? I can't imagine anyone not being concerned with a 71 year old tranny working at their school, especially one who can't even get their life together after 33 years of marriage, and three grown children! It's about protecting the children from the same confusion this man obviously suffers from, and he is 71 YEARS OLD!!! I feel sorry for your children, and your husband, if you still have one. Just because you go to a few PTA meetings, does not make you an expert on child care, or anything for that matter, other then cookie baking, what the hell do you know about anything?:doh

Obviously a hell of a lot more than someone with no kids, who never worked in a school system( I asst taught, thank you very much) and bases a teacher's abilities on looks and past unhappiness, since corrected.
What confusion would possibly transpire into a classroom anyway???? Confusing Janey with Jimmy? And ageism is another matter entirely. No one competent enough to do their job can be let go because of age. Do you even have a clue about the hiring steps that go into being a teacher?

As for baking cookies? That's what NABISCO is for. Get your 1950's head out of the sand, Boy! It's a new century now....:roll:

 

[Alex]

Let's take the topic of porn. Should we leave it lying around for seven years to look at since they're old enough to talk about it? That would not only be lazy parenting....it would be abusive parenting in my opinion.

My original point stands. If they are old enough to ask about it, then they are old enough to talk about it. If a child finds porn and asks about it, a parent should discuss it.

 

[talloulou]

My original point stands. If they are old enough to ask about it, then they are old enough to talk about it. If a child finds porn and asks about it, a parent should discuss it.

A parent shouldn't let a child find porn.

 

[Deegan]

Obviously a hell of a lot more than someone with no kids, who never worked in a school system( I asst taught, thank you very much) and bases a teacher's abilities on looks and past unhappiness, since corrected.
What confusion would possibly transpire into a classroom anyway???? Confusing Janey with Jimmy? And ageism is another matter entirely. No one competent enough to do their job can be let go because of age. Do you even have a clue about the hiring steps that go into being a teacher?

As for baking cookies? That's what NABISCO is for. Get your 1950's head out of the sand, Boy! It's a new century now....:roll:

I do have kids, and I have worked in the school system, thank you much.

That said, I am not a teacher, and neither are you obviously, but that's not even the point, the point is, should young elementary age students be exposed to a transgender 71 year old man? Had this person been a transgender for many years, not been married for 33 years, or had three kids as a man, I might say this is someone just trying to be themselves. As it stands, this person has worked at this school as a man, and now wants to be a woman, and these children have to face this confusion with this person! It is not fair to the students, the parents, or the school for this person to even ask to be allowed to distract the entire school, no matter what some liberal "progressive" thinks about it.

This is the same problem that gets patient's killed in doctors offices across this country, whether the AMA, or a teachers Union that protects these people no matter how strange, irresponsible, dangerous that they are to others. This will be resolved, so I don't mind your argument to the contrary, it's been a bit of comic relief, thanks.

 

[Alex]

I agree to a point. If the teacher taught at the school for years as a MR and now is a Mss. that is the teacher's personal life being brought to school. It's unprofessional. The professional thing would be to accept placement in a new school for the sake of the students. A teacher has the right to do whatever they want regarding their personal life but they don't have the right to discuss or make an issue of their personal choices in my child's classroom. This is not a "new" idea or prejudice one.

A heterosexual teacher doesn't get to discuss their messy divorce with students in their class. They don't get to discuss their religious views. A teacher with breast implants doesn't get to explain to 7 yr olds why she chose to get breast implants. Elementary teachers are supposed to be teaching the basics and anything that distracts or interferes with that is intolerable.

I doubt you have children. Furthermore you seem to be confused about what rights a teacher does in fact have and what they should in fact be talking about. Kids are kicked out of schools all the time for being a distraction. A teacher formerly known as MR and now known as MRS is an inappropriate distraction for elementary students.

But does a heterosexual teacher get have a divorce without fear of losing their job? Do teachers get to practice the religion of their choice without fear of losing their job? Do teachers who get breast implants get to have them without fear of losing their job? If you belive that all these things are ok but a sex change is not, then you are prejudice. This teacher has a right to have a sex change without fear of losing their job.

Who says that the teacher is discussing it in class anyway? Making things up in a debate is an inappropriate distraction.

Did anyone actually read this acticle? It reported that two students went to the meetings to support the teacher. It did not mention any that did not. Seems like the children are old enough to understand.

 

[Alex]

I'm sure they will, and they most certainly should start with the teacher who does not even know what sex he/she is! This has nothing to do with religion, as you so eloquently(LOL) tried to imply, and everything to do with not confusing young children. This is not the only teaching job available to this thing, and it should have thought of this before it had the operation!:roll:

Perfect! You have just established that the problem is with your own prejudices and has nothing to do with your children. You just proved my main point, thank you.

 

[Deegan]

Perfect! You have just established that the problem is with your own prejudices and has nothing to do with your children. You just proved my main point, thank you.

I do, I am not yet ready for 71 year old man who decides after 33 years of marriage, and three children, that they now want to be a "lady" Yeah, I have a big problem with that, and especially when they want to teach our kids. I know, call me crazy, but I see this as irresponsible for a school board to over look such a huge issue as this, and when elementary school children are at the center. I know, I'm the weird one here, LOL:rofl