Do you support the troops?

[jamesrage]

Obviously in the right corner that you and a few others share on this site, any dessent will be seen as anti-troop to you.
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How is intentionally antagonizing our enimies a act of desent?

Here is a illistration of the media's support for our troops.

 

[jfuh]

How is intentionally antagonizing our enimies a act of desent?

Here is a illistration of the media's support for our troops.

So I guess that you would prefer that we'd kept gitmo under wraps and continue to violate the very human rights that this country stands for the freedoms that we are fighting for is that it?
Sorry but any antagonization was presented by this administration itself not the media. Had this administration kept to the Geneva convention instead of going Dirty Harry, there would've been no scandal and there would've been no antagonization.
You're apologetics are moot.

 

[Navy Pride]

War protestors only give aid and comfort to the enemy...........The enemy knows they can not beat us in a fight but they saw what happened in Nam when the whacko left lost the stomach to fight and forced us to cut an run there.........

They can see the same patern with the whacko left in this country now but they have underestimated this president.........That is the mistake the terrorists and their friends the whacko left have made.........

 

[Captain America]

If the whacko right would quit getting our arse in a sling and costing our children their lives maybe we could shut those leftwing whackos up once and for all. No? :rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

If the whacko right would quit getting our arse in a sling and costing our children their lives maybe we could shut those leftwing whackos up once and for all. No? :rofl

Freedom isn't free...........Some things are worth fighting for.......

 

[jfuh]

War protestors only give aid and comfort to the enemy...........The enemy knows they can not beat us in a fight but they saw what happened in Nam when the whacko left lost the stomach to fight and forced us to cut an run there.........

How lame, blaming the loss of Nam on the protesters. Nam was lost because of the president (LBJ) wanting to get involved in the war without the full support of the congress and the American Ppl, the same way that this current president got us involved into Iraq. Pulling out now is irresponsible and create a greater power vacum creating an even greater world security threat. Maintaining the status quo is going to cost more lives and more tax payer dollars. We must send in the full force of the military now. That's the only way.

They can see the same patern with the whacko left in this country now but they have underestimated this president.........That is the mistake the terrorists and their friends the whacko left have made.........

What has the "whacko left" done exactly? What policy of the "whacko left" are we enforcing now?

 

[Navy Pride]

How lame, blaming the loss of Nam on the protesters. Nam was lost because of the president (LBJ) wanting to get involved in the war without the full support of the congress and the American Ppl, the same way that this current president got us involved into Iraq. Pulling out now is irresponsible and create a greater power vacum creating an even greater world security threat. Maintaining the status quo is going to cost more lives and more tax payer dollars. We must send in the full force of the military now. That's the only way.

What has the "whacko left" done exactly? What policy of the "whacko left" are we enforcing now?

You are wrong as usual...I was there I know why we lost in Nam........It was because of people like you and your heroes Kerry and Fonda........We won every battle in Nam but lost the war..........General Giap the leader of the NVN army made a hero out of Kerry and Fonds.........I don't know how old you are but when it comes to Nam you have no clue........58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians died because of people like you who lost the will to fight and wanted to cut and run instead.........

This will not happen in Iraq thanks to President Bush...

People like you and Cindy Sheehan make me sick......

 

[zymurgy]

no.

Its all a farce.

I have nothing against the troops. they have been duped into believing they fight for freedom or the American way of life.

Its all a crock. We fight to maintain our fiat monetary policy. Freedom doesn't matter, being a superpower does.

I support the troops as much as I support liberal class warfare. Their hearts might be in the right place but their heads are full of something else.

 

[PeaceBrother]

let me know when you can debate without trying to bate someone into a flame war and we will resume our discussion.

I take it you've never seen "Billy Madison". notice the :lol: symbol. Jakers, how far up there is that stick.

 

[PeaceBrother]

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You are wrong as usual...I was there I know why we lost in Nam........It was because of people like you and your heroes Kerry and Fonda........We won every battle in Nam but lost the war..........General Giap the leader of the NVN army made a hero out of Kerry and Fonds.........I don't know how old you are but when it comes to Nam you have no clue........58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians died because of people like you who lost the will to fight and wanted to cut and run instead.........

This will not happen in Iraq thanks to President Bush...

People like you and Cindy Sheehan make me sick......

Wow, you really think we would have won Nam if we would have kept doing what we were doing. The north had such a strong will to fight that they would have gone to the last man. And in guerilla war fare that would have literally taken forever. We lost because they wanted it more, and we weren't willing to drop a nuke on them (thank god), or kill them all. The debate is so complex over that so lets just not go there though.
I agree, we truely arent fighting for freedom in Iraq. It has evolved into a war to remain a superpower/ world police force. But now we are stuck in there because if we left it would be a world wide security threat. It wouldnt be if we hadnt went in the first place but it sure is now. Sadly I dont think anyone knows how to solve this dilema. Again for another thread though.
Quote Freedom isn't free...........Some things are worth fighting for....... quote

True, but definently not for this crap. I dont want to die just cause some stubborn A******s want to regain thier political status.
I support our troops, but I dont want them over there dying left and right for no reason. Its just a terrible situation. Once again I am an Independant so please none of this liberal media crap. Both partys stink and are corrupt, there now we're all happy.

 

[jamesrage]

So I guess that you would prefer that we'd kept gitmo under wraps and continue to violate the very human rights that this country stands for the freedoms that we are fighting for is that it?

Apparently you care more for the well being of our enemies than the safety of our troops.

I would prefer that everything going on in Iraq and Afganistan be kept under wraps until the war is over.I think all media should be banned from war zones.

Sorry but any antagonization was presented by this administration itself not the media. Had this administration kept to the Geneva convention instead of going Dirty Harry, there would've been no scandal and there would've been no antagonization.
You're apologetics are moot.

So your logic is that two wrongs make a right?

 

[PeaceBrother]

Apparently you care more for the well being of our enemies than the safety of our troops.

I would prefer that everything going on in Iraq and Afganistan be kept under wraps until the war is over.I think all media should be banned from war zones.

I dont think entirely, I believe that to a little degree but not entirely by any means. Gitmo was totally brought onto ourselves, and yes it was totally doing this oke to that entire muslim faith. Thier body is a temple. Sacred. It would kind of be like them literally crucify one of our soldiers and then burning a bible right in front of it. Not cool, and it definently doesnt help our cause (whatever that is) so we need to stop doing this stupid crap.
Also I think that freedom of press is what makes us great, and without it we would pretty quickly turn into a facist state. :allhail History is written by the victors, and they usually do a pretty good job of making themselves look like the heros. Look at stalin and hitlers propaganda. Forgetting about our terrible wrongs during war would be a great disservice to all of humanity, especially the victims. The media, believe it or not, is actually the only thing that keeps data flowing in so that we are not an ignorant nation. Or at least not as ignorent. Anyway Im starting to ramble on and on so tell me what you think and once again, dont let this turn into every other thread on this website in which it is just a bunch of Liberal Conservative mudslinging.:2nobashin Peace out. Stay cool gang. :2wave:

 

[jamesrage]

I dont think entirely, I believe that to a little degree but not entirely by any means. Gitmo was totally brought onto ourselves, and yes it was totally doing this oke to that entire muslim faith. Thier body is a temple. Sacred. It would kind of be like them literally crucify one of our soldiers and then burning a bible right in front of it. Not cool, and it definently doesnt help our cause (whatever that is) so we need to stop doing this stupid crap.

When the same people who cheered 9-11,blow up mosques,desicrate other religious places suddenly take offense to what we do they can can go **** themselves.

 

[jfuh]

You are wrong as usual...I was there I know why we lost in Nam........It was because of people like you and your heroes Kerry and Fonda........We won every battle in Nam but lost the war..........General Giap the leader of the NVN army made a hero out of Kerry and Fonds.........I don't know how old you are but when it comes to Nam you have no clue........58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians died because of people like you who lost the will to fight and wanted to cut and run instead.........

This will not happen in Iraq thanks to President Bush...

People like you and Cindy Sheehan make me sick......

Seems like exactly what is happening right now in Iraq, we're winning every single battle, yet Iraq is splitting up and over run with extreemist, and here in the US the government is suppressing our freedoms and refusing any accountability. I hope that we do not loose this war.

Do you honestly believe that were Bush president during Nam that we'd have won that war?
Bush is the very reason why we're not winning the war today.

oh and wow, another attack on liberals.

 

[jfuh]

Apparently you care more for the well being of our enemies than the safety of our troops.

How does bringing out Gitmo, something we did specifically show my care for the enemy? Perhaps the press should just not report anything negative at all about the president or this administration as well indeed the reporting is the causation for the low approval rating of the administration and not because of anything they did themselves.
There are other nations that do just that, reporting the postive only, Communist China comes to mind.

I would prefer that everything going on in Iraq and Afganistan be kept under wraps until the war is over.I think all media should be banned from war zones.

This is America.

So your logic is that two wrongs make a right?

Where and how did you get this from my argument? Try again james.

 

[jamesrage]

How does bringing out Gitmo, something we did specifically show my care for the enemy?

You seem to care about thier well being over that of our troops.

Perhaps the press should just not report anything negative at all about the president or this administration as well indeed the reporting is the causation for the low approval rating of the administration and not because of anything they did themselves.
There are other nations that do just that, reporting the postive only, Communist China comes to mind.

So you are saying that during WWI and WWII we lived under communist China?

I don't give a **** about what is being reported about our president outside of military and war issues.But the media left or right should be banned from war zones,there should be a media black out on any war zone our troops are involved in.Because apparently there are too many girly men out there who are too concerned about the well being of our enemies.

This is America.

It was America during WWI and WWII and the media did not undermine the war effort.

Where and how did you get this from my argument? Try again james.

Your statement here seems to be that since a few bad apples did something you disapprove of,the media has right to piss off our enemies and undermine the war effort thus put all the soldiers who did nothing wrong in more and longer in harms way.

This statement does look like an endorsment for two wrongs making a right.

". Had this administration kept to the Geneva convention instead of going Dirty Harry, there would've been no scandal and there would've been no antagonization."





For a liberal claiming you want our troops home you seem to be under the impression it is okay to undermine the war effort which makes the troops stay longer in Iraq and Afganistan.THese people do have things such as radios,newpapers,some may even have televisions, and some may have internet access.

 

[Navy Pride]

Not all but liberals like Durbin, Sheehan, Kennedy and Dean have a total disdain for our military.........

 

[Donkey1499]

support our troops

Maybe this will help you understand what i mean when i say, "some things are worth fighting for..."


Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.

He stays up for days on end.
__________________________

You take a warm shower to help you wake up.

He goes days or weeks without running water.
__________________________

You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.

He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
__________________________

You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.

He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
__________________________

You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.

He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
__________________________

You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.

He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.

__________________________

You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.

He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
__________________________

You complain about how hot it is.

He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow. And it's 112 degrees in his tent, IF the air conditioner is working!
__________________________

You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.

He does not get to eat today.
__________________________

Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.

He wears the same things for days, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
__________________________

You go to the mall and get your hair redone.

He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
__________________________

You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.

He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
__________________________


You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.

He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
__________________________

You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.

He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
__________________________

You roll your eyes as a baby cries.

He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.
__________________________

You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.

He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and remembers why he is fighting.
__________________________

You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.

He hears the gun fire and bombs.
__________________________

You see only what the media wants you to see.

He sees the bodies lying around him, and he sees the locals who are grateful beyond words that he is working to give them freedom.
__________________________

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.

He does what he is told.
__________________________


You stay at home and watch TV.

He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
__________________________

You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.

He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by gun fire.
__________________________

You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place because of men like him.

If only there were more men like him.


If you support your troops, repost this.

Excellent post Navy Pride! The stuff you writ about the civilians I see that crap every day, and I'm even guilty of some of it.

But what about the anti-war people who say they support the troops, but not the war. They claim that the war is illegal and/or that the reasons for going to war were illegal. #1, what rule book says it was illegal? And #2, if the war is 'illegal', wouldn't that make the troops criminals? You know, they're the one's fighting in this 'illegal' war. So, according to anti-war talking points and philosophy about the Iraq War being 'illegal', I guess they also mean that the troops are criminals. Hmm. So much for support.

 

[Navy Pride]

Excellent post Navy Pride! The stuff you writ about the civilians I see that crap every day, and I'm even guilty of some of it.

But what about the anti-war people who say they support the troops, but not the war. They claim that the war is illegal and/or that the reasons for going to war were illegal. #1, what rule book says it was illegal? And #2, if the war is 'illegal', wouldn't that make the troops criminals? You know, they're the one's fighting in this 'illegal' war. So, according to anti-war talking points and philosophy about the Iraq War being 'illegal', I guess they also mean that the troops are criminals. Hmm. So much for support.

The permission to go to war was approved by 77 Senators so it is not illegal.....I believe that it is partisan politics as usual by the people that are against the war..............The sad part is it hurts the troops..............They need 100 percent of our support.......

 

[Donkey1499]

The permission to go to war was approved by 77 Senators so it is not illegal.....I believe that it is partisan politics as usual by the people that are against the war..............The sad part is it hurts the troops..............They need 100 percent of our support.......

I know it's not illegal. I was just making a point about what some anti-war hippies possibly think, though they are probably too stoned to realize it.

 

[easyt65]

If the whacko right would quit getting our arse in a sling and costing our children their lives maybe we could shut those leftwing whackos up once and for all. No? :rofl

I guess the 'whacko right' was behind the idea of flying planes into buildings here at home, thereby changing our world perhaps forever......:roll: :lol:

We tried the 'Lib Left's' (a satirical jab in response to your 'whacko right' comment) plan of ignoring the problem in hopes that it would go away (Kobar Towers, USS Cole, 2 African Embassies, and 1 failed attempt aon the World Trade Center)...and it failed MISERABLY. Sitting on your rear while you kiss everyone else's in an attempt to appease them didn't work - it just emboldened them.

It is funny how guys like Kerry, who missed every Defense Intelligence Meeting for a year immediatelyt after 9/11 (though taking the extra paycheck that went along with being a member), seemed to work harder for the VC in Paris than he has back at home for the U.S. for his own country - then or now. Calling our troops terrorists while they fight the commrades of the perpetrators of 9/11 is his way of helping the U.S. ?! Voting FOR the money to buy soldiers proper armor before he voted AGAINST the bill is his way of helping? Maybe he just does his best work for our enemies more than he does for the home team! (And all you Democrats don't get your panties in a wad - that comment was a Kerry-shot, not a Liberal/Democratic party shot!)

Kerry made a whole political career of bashing our troops and on anti-war (U.S.) stances - even admitted it years ago in an interview that his whole anti-war testimony under oath years ago was to launch his career on an anti-war platform - so it is laughable when he stands up today and claims to support our troops.

Murtha is another in the boat. Thanks for serving your country, but when you call our troops in combat 'Nazis', you have just wiped away what you did for your country by attacking it now!

People need to recognize, and IMO do not at times, that the U.S. Military is not the U.S. Goverment and, in fact, is only a pawn/tool of politicians and 'diplomacy'. In Viet Nam, kids were drafted right out of high school and sent to a place where they were fighting for their lives, in the middle of a political nightmare. They didn't start the war, didn't want to be there, and were treated like THEY were the cause of the war once they got back! The protestors should have embraced these guys when they returned home but instead lambasted them instead of the politicians who were REALLY responsible!

Attacking the guys who wear the uniform, calling them Nazis and terrorists for fighting the wars the politicians drag us into, is STUPID and just plain WRONG!

Don't support the decision, the politics, or the politicians that got us into the wars, but don't attack the soldiers! We don't make the wars...we just have to fight them.

Maybe if we established a new law that any politician who gets us into a war has to take a military position and actually have to serve/fight for a year, I would be willing to bet the number of military altercations we find ourselves in would actually go down.

 

[Captain America]

Don't support the decision, the politics, or the politicians that got us into the wars, but don't attack the soldiers! We don't make the wars...we just have to fight them.

But...but...but....don't you guys say that anyone who doesn't support the war are against the troops? Please make up your minds.:rofl

 

[Iriemon]

People need to recognize, and IMO do not at times, that the U.S. Military is not the U.S. Goverment and, in fact, is only a pawn/tool of politicians and 'diplomacy'. In Viet Nam, kids were drafted right out of high school and sent to a place where they were fighting for their lives, in the middle of a political nightmare. They didn't start the war, didn't want to be there, and were treated like THEY were the cause of the war once they got back! The protestors should have embraced these guys when they returned home but instead lambasted them instead of the politicians who were REALLY responsible!

Attacking the guys who wear the uniform, calling them Nazis and terrorists for fighting the wars the politicians drag us into, is STUPID and just plain WRONG!

I agree -- but the problem is that not all soldiers took a nuetral position on the political aspects. Many were just like our own NP -- if you were against the war that meant you'd must be against the soldiers -- and traitors. So you'd have marine type guys that would go and beat up and hassle some hippy type war protestors -- didn't help their popularity with the anti-war crowd -- those were the type that got dissed, but they were getting back what they served. No doubt there was some transference on both sides.

Don't support the decision, the politics, or the politicians that got us into the wars, but don't attack the soldiers! We don't make the wars...we just have to fight them.

Does that mean that if a soldier says this is a legitimate, moral and justified war that our government accurately protrayed to the nation, I have to agree with him? If I disagree with him am I "attacking" him?

 

[Navy Pride]

But...but...but....don't you guys say that anyone who doesn't support the war are against the troops? Please make up your minds.:rofl

You can be against the war but you don't knock the troops like people on your side do and you pull for them to be successful in their mission.....

 

[MSgt]

I support the troops hell I plan to join the USMC Once it becomes possible however equating distrust in the war with death to the troops is a bit hot headed. Dissent is what the country was founded upon and should be used whenever possible

CORPS!!!!!!