Do you support the troops? (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

support our troops

Maybe this will help you understand what i mean when i say, "some things are worth fighting for..."


Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.

He stays up for days on end.
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You take a warm shower to help you wake up.

He goes days or weeks without running water.
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You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.

He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
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You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.

He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
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You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.

He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
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You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.

He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.

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You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.

He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
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You complain about how hot it is.

He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow. And it's 112 degrees in his tent, IF the air conditioner is working!
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You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.

He does not get to eat today.
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Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.

He wears the same things for days, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
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You go to the mall and get your hair redone.

He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
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You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.

He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
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You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.

He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
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You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.

He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
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You roll your eyes as a baby cries.

He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.
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You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.

He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and remembers why he is fighting.
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You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.

He hears the gun fire and bombs.
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You see only what the media wants you to see.

He sees the bodies lying around him, and he sees the locals who are grateful beyond words that he is working to give them freedom.
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You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.

He does what he is told.
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You stay at home and watch TV.

He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
__________________________

You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.

He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by gun fire.
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You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place because of men like him.

If only there were more men like him.


If you support your troops, repost this.

 

[PeaceBrother]

support our troops

Maybe this will help you understand what i mean when i say, "some things are worth fighting for..."


Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.

He stays up for days on end.
__________________________

You take a warm shower to help you wake up.

He goes days or weeks without running water.
__________________________

You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.

He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
__________________________

You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.

He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
__________________________

You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.

He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
__________________________

You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.

He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.

__________________________

You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.

He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
__________________________

You complain about how hot it is.

He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow. And it's 112 degrees in his tent, IF the air conditioner is working!
__________________________

You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.

He does not get to eat today.
__________________________

Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.

He wears the same things for days, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
__________________________

You go to the mall and get your hair redone.

He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
__________________________

You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.

He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
__________________________


You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.

He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
__________________________

You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.

He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
__________________________

You roll your eyes as a baby cries.

He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.
__________________________

You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.

He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and remembers why he is fighting.
__________________________

You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.

He hears the gun fire and bombs.
__________________________

You see only what the media wants you to see.

He sees the bodies lying around him, and he sees the locals who are grateful beyond words that he is working to give them freedom.
__________________________

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.

He does what he is told.
__________________________


You stay at home and watch TV.

He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
__________________________

You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.

He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by gun fire.
__________________________

You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place because of men like him.

If only there were more men like him.


If you support your troops, repost this.

Well you took it to an extreme there. I would say half the stuff you say the civilians do is kind of out there but whatever, it gets the point across.
As for the question, Yes. I support our troops. They are great people who deserve the utmost respect. The selflessness they show is second to none. However, I do not support the majority of the reasons our troops are fighting in the first place. I think that protesting a war is a way to support the troops if it is done tactfully, and isnt at a funeral or something like that. I think it shows how much you like the troops and how you want them home.
I guess the catch all anser would be... I support our troops and that soldiers should be respected and honored, however war in and of itself must never be respected and honored.

PS, first post woot!

 

[Navy Pride]

Well you took it to an extreme there. I would say half the stuff you say the civilians do is kind of out there but whatever, it gets the point across.
As for the question, Yes. I support our troops. They are great people who deserve the utmost respect. The selflessness they show is second to none. However, I do not support the majority of the reasons our troops are fighting in the first place. I think that protesting a war is a way to support the troops if it is done tactfully, and isnt at a funeral or something like that. I think it shows how much you like the troops and how you want them home.
I guess the catch all anser would be... I support our troops and that soldiers should be respected and honored, however war in and of itself must never be respected and honored.

PS, first post woot!

So you support the troops you just don't support their mission................If I was a soldier I don't believe I would want that kind of support becasue if they fail in thir mission that means they die...........

You need to read the whole thing......

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Did you just equate disagreement with the rationale to go to war with wanting the troops to fail/die?

 

[Navy Pride]

Did you just equate disagreement with the rationale to go to war with wanting the troops to fail/die?

Hey listen, I was a troop.........If you don't support what I am trying to accomplish then there is no way you support me..........case closed.........

 

[ProudAmerican]

I support the troops unconditionally.

IMO, the full support of our troops and their mission means they get to win. They get full support through troop levels and the tools they need to do their job.

IMO playing POLITICS while troops are in harms way costs lives.

If you do not support the mission then the time to voice that is BEFORE they go to war, and AFTER they return home. But while they are in HARMS WAY they deserve our unconditional, unquestioned support.

I believe the only way you can TRULY fully support the troops is to know in your own heart and mind that if we ran out of volunteers, and you were asked to join them in their fight.....you would do so without question.

I know I would.

 

[Strike For The South]

I support the troops hell I plan to join the USMC Once it becomes possible however equating distrust in the war with death to the troops is a bit hot headed. Dissent is what the country was founded upon and should be used whenever possible

 

[PeaceBrother]

I support the troops unconditionally.

IMO, the full support of our troops and their mission means they get to win. They get full support through troop levels and the tools they need to do their job.

IMO playing POLITICS while troops are in harms way costs lives.

If you do not support the mission then the time to voice that is BEFORE they go to war, and AFTER they return home. But while they are in HARMS WAY they deserve our unconditional, unquestioned support.

I believe the only way you can TRULY fully support the troops is to know in your own heart and mind that if we ran out of volunteers, and you were asked to join them in their fight.....you would do so without question.

I know I would.

All I know is that I wouldnt want to get drafted for this kind of a war. I see no way of us completely winning. But thats for another thread to debate that. But because of this view I see us getting out of Iraq as the best thing we could do for our troops.
And how is playing politics costing us more lives? Is it hindering thier mission? no. We couldnt really question it that much before the war seeing as how we were given false information to justify the war.
"What if we run out of volunteers?" How long was this war supposed to take. If I remember right it wasnt supposed to take this long. How long do you think we can stay. And dont say something along the lines of "Stay the course" because thats a political ad, not a war strategy.
I dont want any more of our soldiers dying for this. I think if we all truely supported our troops we wouldnt be throwing them at all our problems without a proper strategy.
You can fully support your troops and disagree with why they are currently there. Because the reason we went in the first place, and the reason we are there now, are two completely different things. Bush already said the mission was accomplished, lets get them out of there. Because they are just sitting ducks over there. Anyway sorry about that. In my next reply I'll do my best to not stray from the subject of supporting troops.

 

[PeaceBrother]

Did you just equate disagreement with the rationale to go to war with wanting the troops to fail/die?

true that, thank you. Just cause I am against the way the war is turning out doesnt mean I want the troops to fail. I dont think anyone wants that.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Hey listen, I was a troop.........If you don't support what I am trying to accomplish then there is no way you support me..........case closed.........

Oh I see, case closed. I had no idea you were the authority on my support of the troops, or what it means to support the troops.

My idea of supporting the troops is only putting them in harms way when NECESSARY. And when you do, send them equipped properly and with an exit strategy in mind, a plan B, or at the very least, some plan at all. I want the troops alive, and home.

If your idea of supporting the troops is to support how they have been used as pawns in some PNAC political game, well you're right I dont support whatever cause it is you're on.

Your "with us or against us" tirade doesnt work "Navy Pride"

 

[PeaceBrother]

Oh I see, case closed. I had no idea you were the authority on my support of the troops, or what it means to support the troops.

My idea of supporting the troops is only putting them in harms way when NECESSARY. And when you do, send them equipped properly and with an exit strategy in mind, a plan B, or at the very least, some plan at all. I want the troops alive, and home.

If your idea of supporting the troops is to support how they have been used as pawns in some PNAC political game, well you're right I dont support whatever cause it is you're on.

Your "with us or against us" tirade doesnt work "Navy Pride"

I second that motion.

 

[ProudAmerican]

And how is playing politics costing us more lives? Is it hindering thier mission?

yes, it most certainly hinders the mission.

We couldnt really question it that much before the war seeing as how we were given false information to justify the war.

LOL. always an excuse.
Bill Clinton said Saddam was a threat in 1998. The information may have been false...but if it was, it was first put forth long before Bush took office.

If I remember right it wasnt supposed to take this long

ever think maybe it takes longer because of the anti war protestors causing politicians to rething their strategy? it all goes back to possibly hindering the mission.

And dont say something along the lines of "Stay the course" because thats a political ad, not a war strategy.

right. the war strategy is to leave, and give the liberals more ammunition so they can say, not only did Bush plan poorly, he left before the job was complete.

Because the reason we went in the first place, and the reason we are there now, are two completely different things.

everytime someone claims we only went there for one reason, they show their partisanship on the issue. their unwillingness to give the president any credibility at all. anyone that listened to anything the president said before the start of this war knows we went for multiple reasons.

 

[Navy Pride]

I support the troops unconditionally.

IMO, the full support of our troops and their mission means they get to win. They get full support through troop levels and the tools they need to do their job.

IMO playing POLITICS while troops are in harms way costs lives.

If you do not support the mission then the time to voice that is BEFORE they go to war, and AFTER they return home. But while they are in HARMS WAY they deserve our unconditional, unquestioned support.

I believe the only way you can TRULY fully support the troops is to know in your own heart and mind that if we ran out of volunteers, and you were asked to join them in their fight.....you would do so without question.

I know I would.

I was in the military for 21 years and would sign up in heart beat if they would take me...........

 

[Navy Pride]

Not all but most liberals crack me up.........How they can play politics with our troops lives is beyond me.........


I think Clinton was the worse president in history.......He embarrassed the office of the presidency..........That said i supported his decison to go into Bosnia and Haiti because he was the commander in chief..............

It is something draft dodgers and liberals will never understand...........The Senate voted by a huge majority to go to war in Iraq and remove Saddam............Now that things get a little rough liberals lose the stomach for the fight and want to cut and run.......Thank God we have a president that does not govern by polls and will not leave until the battle has been won and the mission accomplished.........

 

[PeaceBrother]

yes, it most certainly hinders the mission.



LOL. always an excuse.
Bill Clinton said Saddam was a threat in 1998. The information may have been false...but if it was, it was first put forth long before Bush took office.




ever think maybe it takes longer because of the anti war protestors causing politicians to rething their strategy? it all goes back to possibly hindering the mission.



right. the war strategy is to leave, and give the liberals more ammunition so they can say, not only did Bush plan poorly, he left before the job was complete.



everytime someone claims we only went there for one reason, they show their partisanship on the issue. their unwillingness to give the president any credibility at all. anyone that listened to anything the president said before the start of this war knows we went for multiple reasons.

Umm, nowhere in that incoherent rambling did you say one fact or statement that even remotely made sense. I feel that everyone in this room is now a little stupider from having listened to you. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul. :lol:
I didnt say we went there for one reason, we did go for many reasons. But the vast majority of the reasons we are there now are different than the reasons before the war. so much so that it doesnt make sense for us to be there anymore.
War strategy? I dont know, Im not a general by any means. But we need to get out as soon as possible in my opinion. Yet at the same time not screw over the iraqi people.
Sadam was a threat? What leader isnt a threat to us. North korea, China, Iran, the list goes on. Doesnt mean we should charge headlong into battle.
I dont even know what your reasoning is behind the protests hindering political progress. Anywho Im independent. I think both sides suck so please stop ranting about the liberal media. coolio, thanks. :2wave: later

 

[jfuh]

Hey listen, I was a troop.........If you don't support what I am trying to accomplish then there is no way you support me..........case closed.........

Wait a tic, I thought that it was only political leaders that decide on what missions to go on, not troops, troops follow orders given by thier civilian commander.
How is my not wanting troops to go on suicidal missions not support for them? Funny how you try to argue against that.

 

[alphamale]

I support the troops. One L.A. radio station held a telethon for the families of troops that aren't doing well financially. I sent them $20. They raised about $450,000.

 

[PeaceBrother]

I support the troops. One L.A. radio station held a telethon for the families of troops that aren't doing well financially. I sent them $20. They raised about $450,000.

Sweet, that would do alot of good for alot of people. one of my old teachers was in the national guard and ended up getting shipped to afganistan.
Kind of a stupid thread. Everyone supports the troops. You would have been better to ask wether we support the war cuz this appears to be all we are talking about.

 

[jamesrage]

Oh I see, case closed. I had no idea you were the authority on my support of the troops, or what it means to support the troops.

My idea of supporting the troops means not rallying and cheering for the enemy, not jumping on every anti-militry story that paints the military in a negative light,Not printing bogus stories of Quran abuse like newsweek did,not comparing our troops to Nazis like Turban Durban did,not saying how this is a war that can't be won like Coward Dean did, not saying the troops are terrorising women and children in the middle of the night like John Benedict Arnold Kerry did, not revealing our secrets to the enemy like some of the traitorious newspapers and not be all concerned for the safety and well being of our enemies like many of the anti-war scum do.

My idea of supporting the troops is only putting them in harms way when NECESSARY.

Does that mean you are against what newsweek did when they printed their bogus Quran abuse story to undermine our troops,are you against the liberal media airing Arugab photos to our enemies,does that also mean you are against the media airing classified information to our enemies all over the world?

 

[jfuh]

My idea of supporting the troops means not rallying and cheering for the enemy, not jumping on every anti-militry story that paints the military in a negative light,Not printing bogus stories of Quran abuse like newsweek did,not comparing our troops to Nazis like Turban Durban did,not saying how this is a war that can't be won like Coward Dean did, not saying the troops are terrorising women and children in the middle of the night like John Benedict Arnold Kerry did, not revealing our secrets to the enemy like some of the traitorious newspapers and not be all concerned for the safety and well being of our enemies like many of the anti-war scum do.



Does that mean you are against what newsweek did when they printed their bogus Quran abuse story to undermine our troops,are you against the liberal media airing Arugab photos to our enemies,does that also mean you are against the media airing classified information to our enemies all over the world?

Your arguments seem more geared toward those who do not support the reason of the war vs the support of the troops.

 

[jamesrage]

Your arguments seem more geared toward those who do not support the reason of the war vs the support of the troops.

So you are equating undermining the war effort to simply not supporting the war?Of course so many anti-war individuals/anti-military individuals have undermined our troops efforts instead of just not supporting the war effort.
Turban Durban,Coard Dean, John Benedict Arnold Kerry,John the RINO McCain,Newsweek,various liberal media outlets have all undermined the war effort.

 

[jfuh]

So you are equating undermining the war effort to simply not supporting the war?Of course so many anti-war individuals/anti-military individuals have undermined our troops efforts instead of just not supporting the war effort.
Turban Durban,Coard Dean, John Benedict Arnold Kerry,John the RINO McCain,Newsweek,various liberal media outlets have all undermined the war effort.

Obviously in the right corner that you and a few others share on this site, any dessent will be seen as anti-troop to you.
However we live in a democratic society, and upholding the value of free speech is what these soldiers are fighting for. They want just as much as we want to be in a society where we can expresse descent for the leader of the nation, where we can agree to disagree.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Umm, nowhere in that incoherent rambling did you say one fact or statement that even remotely made sense. I feel that everyone in this room is now a little stupider from having listened to you.

let me know when you can debate without trying to bate someone into a flame war and we will resume our discussion.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Does that mean you are against what newsweek did when they printed their bogus Quran abuse story to undermine our troops,are you against the liberal media airing Arugab photos to our enemies,does that also mean you are against the media airing classified information to our enemies all over the world?

If the story on the Quran abuses was indeed bogus, then yes I am against said story.

I am not against the airing of the Abu Graib photos. I dont buy into the "it emboldens our enemies" when people are avoiding accountability for breaking international laws. I thought we were above that, I dont think any TRUTH can embolden our enemies.

On the flip side, leaking classified information is also wrong, however I do find myself inclined to read said leaks. I dont however buy that all these leaks affect national security, many do, but some are just given that label because they hurt this administration and they want to stonewall any investigations.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

let me know when you can debate without trying to bate someone into a flame war and we will resume our discussion.

He was quoting Billy Madison, it was a joke, calm down...