Do you support airport ethnic profiling of Middle Easterners?

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

We're not saying it does not exist. We're saying that we shouldn't give in to the fear terrorism has created and turn this country into a totalitarian police state based on paranoia.

If you don't want to live in a free country I suggest that you move to Cuba.

As near as I can tell you are saying that if we ignore the problem it will go away well guess what buddy they tryed that approach for eight years under Clinton and it lead to 9-11 so I'll be damned if I'm going to accept your argument that terrorism is overhyped or that Bush is some sort of megalomaniac who's invented a problem in a wag the dog fashion to subvert the peoples freedom, because unlike you I haven't forgot 9-11 and I'm never going to forget it or forgive it until every single last Islamic-Fascist is either dead or in prison!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Hey to me this is racism sure it may be factual, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't single out one type of person based on their race, creed, color, or nationality. And you sure seem to be enveloped in propaganda.

This is like saying that singling out Germans coming into the country during WW2 is racist thank god people like you weren't around back then. This is the whole problem with the left they somehow think that we should fight a politically correct war it's the most insane thing that I've heard.

No I don't read any of the muslim literature or opinions. I remain thankfully ignorant of the groups that you have sighted and linked to and of how to even spell aljezzerra.

Well then that's why you have no idea as to the nature of the enemy you are facing know thy enemy you should read the Art of War.

Are you sure that you are not being manipulated by them? Maybe they are the ones who have you so frightened?

O.K. I get it you think there is no threat that 9-11 is some fairy tail that Bush made up to scare you well guess what buddy it happened and ignoring the problem isn't going to make it go away.

Well I resent being accused of wanting the military to fail.

But you do want the military to fail you've made it abundantly clear that you think AlQaeda is the victim and the U.S. is the bully.

I resent being accused of reading Arab propaganda and feeding into it,

You sure as hell share their talking points partna.

when clearly it is you who is doing it.

No it's you who refuses to acknowledge the enemy and in so doing are aiding and abetting said enemy.

I resent that you choose to ignore the rules of warfare, equality and Human rights as governed by international law in the interest of serving what I call hate.

It's you who thinks that the terrorists shouldn't be governed by the rules of war and even though they don't abide by them you think they should be protected by them, I'm so glad to see how much you care for the poor terrorists that murdered 3,000 people on 9-11 and continue to murder our soldiers over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also I hope you realize that you have just done exactly what I said people like you do.

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate"- Yoda

lmfao movie quotes??? This is another one of the left's problems they live in ****ing fantasy land.

 

[vergiss]

This is like saying that singling out Germans coming into the country during WW2 is racist thank god people like you weren't around back then.

Wait, there were Nazi Jews?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Wait, there were Nazi Jews?

No there were, however, Nazi sympathizers who were put under F.B.I. survelience and subjected to wire taps without warrants ohhhhhhh noooooo somebody call the ACLU FDR is trying to take away the civil liberties of Nazis ahhhhhhhh it's 1984 come to life ahhhhhhh!

 

[Caine]

You don't have to kiss GWB's ass but when you claim that terrorism is only hype then you are aiding and abetting the enemy in that you think you can eliminate the problem by pretending that it doesn't exist.

Nobody said not to take action against it.
But the fact is terrorism IS over dramatisized.
Yeah, we got attacked.
Its not reason to **** on civil liberties and constantly keep the people in fear, as well as every time they dissent against the government they are AIDING THE ENEMY! AIDING THE ENEMY! AIDING THE ENEMY!
Congress? You want Bush to tell you whats going on? You want him to make an actual plan? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY! You want to actually go through and see what is necessary from the long list of crap in the Patriot Act? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY! You don't want Bush and his Administration running around acting 'above the law'? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY!

Its ridiculous, get off your high horse.

 

[vergiss]

No there were, however, Nazi sympathizers who were put under F.B.I. survelience and subjected to wire taps without warrants ohhhhhhh noooooo somebody call the ACLU FDR is trying to take away the civil liberties of Nazis ahhhhhhhh it's 1984 come to life ahhhhhhh!

Miss my point by a mile, then.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Miss my point by a mile, then.

Then what exactly was your point perhaps you can spell it out a little better than a one line quip there were German immigrants coming into this country who were sent here with the specific intent of committing espionage and sabotage FDR put them under survelience and yes he put taps on their phones without a warrant so like I said please somebody call the ACLU and have somone dig him up so he can stand trial for winning WW2. How dare he, just who the hell does FDR think he is? . . . The president or something???

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Nobody said not to take action against it.
But the fact is terrorism IS over dramatisized.
Yeah, we got attacked.
Its not reason to **** on civil liberties and constantly keep the people in fear, as well as every time they dissent against the government they are AIDING THE ENEMY! AIDING THE ENEMY! AIDING THE ENEMY!
Congress? You want Bush to tell you whats going on? You want him to make an actual plan? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY! You want to actually go through and see what is necessary from the long list of crap in the Patriot Act? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY! You don't want Bush and his Administration running around acting 'above the law'? YOUR AIDING THE ENEMY!

Its ridiculous, get off your high horse.

Terrorism is overdrammatized??? Well tell me how exactly is the twin towers falling down and the death of 3,000 people in a split second not drammatic, you are saying that terrorism isn't a threat despite all the evidence that I have provided to the contrary, ask yourself why that it is.

As for the civil liberties thing I suggest you look into FDR he too placed wire taps without a warrant and locked up the Japanese in internment camps it's called the inherent war powers of the president. If we had people like you around back then there is no way we would have won WW2 you'd all be running around saying that the Japanese are just misunderstood and that we should listen to Hitler's grievences so that we can solve the problem, meanwhile tojo would be landing on the coast of California and Hitler would have just taken Moscow.

 

[tecoyah]

Terrorism is overdrammatized??? Well tell me how exactly is the twin towers falling down and the death of 3,000 people in a split second not drammatic, you are saying that terrorism isn't a threat despite all the evidence that I have provided to the contrary, ask yourself why that it is.

I think....you just proved a point for him....heh

 

[vergiss]

I think....you just proved a point for him....heh

Self-ownage, gotta love it.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I think....you just proved a point for him....heh

ya terrorism is over dramatized it's all some made up non threat wag the dog (strong sarcastic emphasis added) so quickly the fickle American public forgets what do you people all have amnesia or something?

 

[Saboteur]

This is like saying that singling out Germans coming into the country during WW2 is racist thank god people like you weren't around back then. This is the whole problem with the left they somehow think that we should fight a politically correct war it's the most insane thing that I've heard.


Well then that's why you have no idea as to the nature of the enemy you are facing know thy enemy you should read the Art of War.




O.K. I get it you think there is no threat that 9-11 is some fairy tail that Bush made up to scare you well guess what buddy it happened and ignoring the problem isn't going to make it go away.



But you do want the military to fail you've made it abundantly clear that you think AlQaeda is the victim and the U.S. is the bully.




You sure as hell share their talking points partna.



No it's you who refuses to acknowledge the enemy and in so doing are aiding and abetting said enemy.

It's you who thinks that the terrorists shouldn't be governed by the rules of war and even though they don't abide by them you think they should be protected by them, I'm so glad to see how much you care for the poor terrorists that murdered 3,000 people on 9-11 and continue to murder our soldiers over in Iraq and Afghanistan.


lmfao movie quotes??? This is another one of the left's problems they live in ****ing fantasy land.

For you to call me a a support of terroism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

ya terrorism is over dramatized it's all some made up non threat wag the dog (strong sarcastic emphasis added) so quickly the fickle American public forgets what do you people all have amnesia or something?

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

Terrorism is overdrammatized??? Well tell me how exactly is the twin towers falling down and the death of 3,000 people in a split second not drammatic, you are saying that terrorism isn't a threat despite all the evidence that I have provided to the contrary, ask yourself why that it is.

As for the civil liberties thing I suggest you look into FDR he too placed wire taps without a warrant and locked up the Japanese in internment camps it's called the inherent war powers of the president. If we had people like you around back then there is no way we would have won WW2 you'd all be running around saying that the Japanese are just misunderstood and that we should listen to Hitler's grievences so that we can solve the problem, meanwhile tojo would be landing on the coast of California and Hitler would have just taken Moscow.

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

Then what exactly was your point perhaps you can spell it out a little better than a one line quip there were German immigrants coming into this country who were sent here with the specific intent of committing espionage and sabotage FDR put them under survelience and yes he put taps on their phones without a warrant so like I said please somebody call the ACLU and have somone dig him up so he can stand trial for winning WW2. How dare he, just who the hell does FDR think he is? . . . The president or something???

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

Article 4
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:[




They are organized but are not subject to discipline from their commanders for breaking the laws of war.



They have done no such thing they must wear a clear sign that they are enemy combatants that would be called a uniform.


A humvee is clearly Identified and the weapons are out in the open, coalition troops wear uniforms. And I am talking about suicide bombers mixing with the crowds of civilians and blowing themselves up with hidden explosives to specifically kill civilians which is a clear violation of the Geneva Convention and why they are not subject to its protection.



How so? The U.S. has not violated one single rule of war and infact we have gone out of our way to minimize civilian casualties, the insurgents on the other hand specifically target civilians.



It is obviously put in the Geneva convention to protect the civilian populace from terrorist scum.



I can't believe how completely wrong about everything you are and the laughable nature of your arguments are remarkable.

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

As near as I can tell you are saying that if we ignore the problem it will go away well guess what buddy they tryed that approach for eight years under Clinton and it lead to 9-11 so I'll be damned if I'm going to accept your argument that terrorism is overhyped or that Bush is some sort of megalomaniac who's invented a problem in a wag the dog fashion to subvert the peoples freedom, because unlike you I haven't forgot 9-11 and I'm never going to forget it or forgive it until every single last Islamic-Fascist is either dead or in prison!

That's clearly not what I said but considering your interpretation of well... Everything, I can see where you got that. Anyway:roll:

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.

 

[Saboteur]

No there were, however, Nazi sympathizers who were put under F.B.I. survelience and subjected to wire taps without warrants ohhhhhhh noooooo somebody call the ACLU FDR is trying to take away the civil liberties of Nazis ahhhhhhhh it's 1984 come to life ahhhhhhh!

Okay okay calm down. Go and get a fresh diaper and a warm bottle of milk and take a nappy-poo 'cuz

For you to call me a supporter of terrorism is unfounded and I resent it very strongly for you to go into ad-hominen attacks on my credibility is unwarranted and further proof that you have no argument and I consider it as concession to defeat in the debate . . . good day.:spin: :lol: :2razz: :2wave:

 

[MSgt]

The majority of all terrorism in the world is from the Islamic faith. These people subscribe to the concrete brittle fundamentalism that is prescribed by the Arabs of the Middle East. This is a civilization that is born into hate and oppression. They have been pushed to the side by history and there answer is to blame anyone but themselves for the ruin of their societies and the complete wreck of individual success. Self knowledge is not a common human trait. All religions have had a dark age where "believers" have sought out "unbelievers" for redemption. It doesn't matter what the truth is, so long as it places blame on someone else's shoulders. Beware the man that presumes to tell you what "God" wants. In the Middle East, blame is the narcotic of choice and the futureless masses are all too eager to blame outward. Our enemy is Islamic and they are Muslim, however the majority of Muslims are not among them. Our fight must be with the few, but our struggle must be with the many.

If the Marines in Bosnia, through the aid of the CIA and local agencies, are able to track an Islamic extremist from a camp that is entering the US, Indonesia, England, Spain, etc. but lose him along the way, airport securities are put on the alert. They are told to look for "Arab" type persons. How foolish it would be for an airport official to let someone go by that they should check out for fear of being less than "politically correct." What would be more foolish is if that airplane careened into a building in a large city.

It is a stupid thing to refuse to admit that you are in a war on attrition while your enemy is killing you - and they have been killing us for decades. They do not attack under a banner and they do not attack from a governmental base. They instead form groups and declare allegiance to "God." These groups have come from all over the Middle East and they have traveled and based in other lands. Striking and chasing around terrorists while ignoring the civilization where they continue to come from accomplishes nothing.

There seems to be a lot of people on this thread who know no more about the Middle East than that reporter who feeds them their opinions.

 

[teacher]

A decade or so ago there was a state trooper who patrolled I-75 around Jacksonville. He was wont to pull over expensive cars with 10 thousand dollar rims full of young black men. He profiled. Of the cars he profiled in such a manner he had a 97% arrest rate. Looks like profiling worked there. Oh yea, the trooper was black. They made him stop. That makes sense.

Soon after 9/11 I was flying from Orlando to Ft. Lauderdale. I had only a small carry on size bag with a set of Allen wrenches in it. At the counter where you check bags I got my ticket and asked that person about my tools and did I have to check my bag. She said no. At the metal detector I was pulled aside and my bag searched because of the tools. The person there ended up calling the head of friggin airport security to ask if I had to check such things. He said no. At the gate I was pulled aside for a search revealing my tools. The jerk there said I would have to give up my tools to board the plane. I explained to the fool what I had gone through allready, asking him did he think I was going to dismantle the plane from the inside. I made quite a scene. Much fun. I ended up choosing to check my bag on the next flight rather than give up a ten dollar set of tools. I'm a clean cut white boy with a Florida drivers license flying within the state with no criminal record and honorably discharged. They picked me to search. That makes sense.

If I were in a Arab country where a bunch of clean cut white boys had hijacked planes and flown them into Mosques I would be expecting to be profiled about every ten minutes. I would call them fools if they didn't. I would not scream for the ACLU when they did. The point being the Arabs know about the sympathetic whining left in this country and use this against us. They use our very freedom to hurt us. Well we clamp down on this and then you lefties cry racism for profiling. That makes sense.

My solution? Don't profile. Search every one every time we board a plane. Let's see how long you put up with that and start saying just start profiling. Makes sense, don't it?


And to those of you saying we hype terrorism? I'll have something for you in the basement by the close of business.

And Sabotuer, I didn't quite get that the first time. Could you repost? Remember, I'm all for taking a slim idea and beating it to death.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Ahh the sobering reality of reason and knowledge that's better now I'm not going to have to smash my computer thankyou.

 

[MSgt]

The global left, "Old Europe," and "Old Asia" have always been full of ****.

WWII - "Please come to our rescue. I know there were a lot of civillians killed, but Europe is safe."

Bosnia - "Please come to the rescue and lead the charge into our own backyards. I know there are a lot of civillians killed, but Europe needs you."

Kosovo - "Please come to the rescue and lead the charge into our own backyards. I know there are a lot of civillians killed, but Europe needs you."




Middle East - "You warmongers. How dare you defend yourselves. Look at all the civillian deaths."

 

[Saboteur]

The majority of all terrorism in the world is from the Islamic faith. These people subscribe to the concrete brittle fundamentalism that is prescribed by the Arabs of the Middle East. This is a civilization that is born into hate and oppression. They have been pushed to the side by history and there answer is to blame anyone but themselves for the ruin of their societies and the complete wreck of individual success. Self knowledge is not a common human trait. All religions have had a dark age where "believers" have sought out "unbelievers" for redemption. It doesn't matter what the truth is, so long as it places blame on someone else's shoulders. Beware the man that presumes to tell you what "God" wants. In the Middle East, blame is the narcotic of choice and the futureless masses are all too eager to blame outward. Our enemy is Islamic and they are Muslim, however the majority of Muslims are not among them. Our fight must be with the few, but our struggle must be with the many.

Nice. I agree.

If the Marines in Bosnia, through the aid of the CIA and local agencies, are able to track an Islamic extremist from a camp that is entering the US, Indonesia, England, Spain, etc. but lose him along the way, airport securities are put on the alert. They are told to look for "Arab" type persons. How foolish it would be for an airport official to let someone go by that they should check out for fear of being less than "politically correct." What would be more foolish is if that airplane careened into a building in a large city.

It's not racial profiling to give a description of a known suspect to authorities. To have a line for Muslims and a separate line for everybody else at the airport while travelers going from one state to another is though.

I know you're smarter than that, you know that this 'politcally correct war' stance is a facade and is designed to place blame for failure in the same way that you explained in your first paragraph. Specifically against the Liberals and Democrats so that if the administration and it's supporters fail, they can claim that they had their hands tied.

It is a stupid thing to refuse to admit that you are in a war on attrition while your enemy is killing you - and they have been killing us for decades. They do not attack under a banner and they do not attack from a governmental base.

The U.S. if fighting like it is a war of attrition, and is obviously thinking the more people we kill the less there are to be insurgants or terrorists. The problem though, is that for every father or mother we arrest or kill, their children become our enemy. And if they are killed and have children then their children become our enemy. For every brother we kidnap and torture there is a sibling willing to avenge him. Unfortunatly our society is not the same. I watch my local news and people who have lost their brave son or daughter are not watching their other children go off to fight.

What about the Taliban? They are of a governmental base.

They instead form groups and declare allegiance to "God." These groups have come from all over the Middle East and they have traveled and based in other lands. Striking and chasing around terrorists while ignoring the civilization where they continue to come from accomplishes nothing.

I agree however then we need to be straight forward in our cause and quit pretending that their culture will actually adopt our type of freedom and democracy. They will not, already there is a march in Iraq with people claiming their elections were rigged. And if by some miracle they do take our way of democracy as their own then there surely will be problems like that for a long time to come.

There seems to be a lot of people on this thread who know no more about the Middle East than that reporter who feeds them their opinions.

What reporter is that? I really don't pay much attention to specific news reporters. I just look at yahoo to try and get an 'unbiased' report. Otherwise it's a crap shoot on what you're going to get.

 

[Saboteur]

Soon after 9/11 I was flying from Orlando to Ft. Lauderdale. I had only a small carry on size bag with a set of Allen wrenches in it. At the counter where you check bags I got my ticket and asked that person about my tools and did I have to check my bag. She said no. At the metal detector I was pulled aside and my bag searched because of the tools. The person there ended up calling the head of friggin airport security to ask if I had to check such things. He said no. At the gate I was pulled aside for a search revealing my tools. The jerk there said I would have to give up my tools to board the plane. I explained to the fool what I had gone through allready, asking him did he think I was going to dismantle the plane from the inside. I made quite a scene. Much fun. I ended up choosing to check my bag on the next flight rather than give up a ten dollar set of tools. I'm a clean cut white boy with a Florida drivers license flying within the state with no criminal record and honorably discharged. They picked me to search. That makes sense.

Timothy McVeigh, April 19th 1995.

If I were in a Arab country where a bunch of clean cut white boys had hijacked planes and flown them into Mosques I would be expecting to be profiled about every ten minutes.

Guess what the white boys running around Arab countries with guns are getting their asses shot off while you're here typing up this diatribe. I doubt they wonder why their getting shot at.

I would call them fools if they didn't. I would not scream for the ACLU when they did. The point being the Arabs know about the sympathetic whining left in this country and use this against us.

Please explain how it is the Left's fault that Saudi Arabia is getting money and aid from the U.S. while it is known that they are granting amnisty to known terrorists that probably know where Osama Bin Laden is? Why are we giving money to these people that we know are giving money to terrorist organizations? The left certainly called for a halt to this in 2004 we wanted Saudi Arabia on the terroist countries list but who voted that down?

The Republican majority that's who! Why? Because they give us our oil! This war is a sham and it is the Right who is to blame for it! You won't let the left help win it you'd rather just blame us when you fail!

Talk about Wussy Whiners.:roll:

They use our very freedom to hurt us. Well we clamp down on this and then you lefties cry racism for profiling. That makes sense

Yes it does because the more freedom and equality the terrorist agenda encourages us to give up the more ground they gain on our own soil.

The words Divide and Conquer mean anything to you?

My solution? Don't profile. Search every one every time we board a plane. Let's see how long you put up with that and start saying just start profiling. Makes sense, don't it?

My solution? I don't fly. And I let the Air Marshals do their job after the plane takes off. Ye of little faith. What a patriot you are.

And to those of you saying we hype terrorism? I'll have something for you in the basement by the close of business.

Good I am glad that you have an unmoderated forum to express your childish hate in. :2razz:

And Sabotuer, I didn't quite get that the first time. Could you repost? Remember, I'm all for taking a slim idea and beating it to death.

That slim idea belongs to Trajan who is just as guilty as anyone else here. But if you like I'd be happy to use your rhetoric against you anytime.

 

[Saboteur]

Ahh the sobering reality of reason and knowledge that's better now I'm not going to have to smash my computer thankyou.

Suddenly the theme song from 'My Two Dads' is in my head.