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Do you call this good reporting?

bubbabgone said:
That's strange since Obama said none of his programs would add a dime to the deficit so they must know how much it would cost.
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I agree it's strange. I'm sure they do know -- they just don't want to say.

But just pointing out that, as per the OP, the journalist did just fine.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Where does the Constitution authorize the federal government to even have a Department of Education?
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Th Constitution created three branches to accomplish the task:

Article I - Legislative
Article II - Executive
Article III - Judicial
 
pbrauer said:
Th Constitution created three branches to accomplish the task:

Article I - Legislative
Article II - Executive
Article III - Judicial
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Which are limited to the specific powers granted in the Constitution. If the feds want to get involved in education, then the branches of government need to pass a Constitutional amendment, not just ignore it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Which are limited to the specific powers granted in the Constitution. If the feds want to get involved in education, then You're the branches of government need to pass a Constitutional amendment, not just ignore it.
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Article I.
Section 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
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:2dance::rock
 
Peter King said:
well, it is just a plan that Obama wants to put into place. Costing is something that comes later in the process.
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Agreed. Cost is of no concern to Obama, and that is a major problem. It's past time for Republicans to block any Obama program until the potential costs are thoroughly examined and debated -- otherwise we'll just throw more billions into "shovel ready" projects that only need headstones.
 
CalGun said:
Obama to push universal preschool proposal | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

While I realize it's a blog it's currently a featured news heading on Yahoo News. I was looking over the article for the cost and could not find it. Wouldn't a journalist, reporter, even blogger include the price tag? Why not?
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Do you seriously think Obama knows the price tag? Even if he presented one, would you be so naive as to believe it? And since when is the cost of something important to a Democrat unless it's actually coming out of their own pocket?

I'll bet you Obama doesn't even know what it costs the government for him to play golf, nor does the man care.
 
Diogenes said:
Agreed. Cost is of no concern to Obama, and that is a major problem. It's past time for Republicans to block any Obama program until the potential costs are thoroughly examined and debated -- otherwise we'll just throw more billions into "shovel ready" projects that only need headstones.
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But that is not the point of the State of the Union speech, I doubt very many presidents talked dollars and cents in the state of the union speech. That kind of information will have to wait until the program is put up for a vote. But I do agree with the president, a good start in life with good education can make a real difference in a life and a society.

Education IMHO is the best way to give people the chance to get out of poverty.
 
:rofl

White House officials said the new preschool proposal will not replace or destroy the current Head Start early education government program. Instead, a new early Head Start program will be created to support communities affected by the new preschool proposal.
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This is how the government eloquently admits they '****ed it all up' - because 'our current program isn't good enough so instead of trying to figure out why or improving it we'll just create a redundant secondary program built on the same failed basis'

On the note of the ED: people who oppose it don't seem to realize what it does - and haven't taken even 5 seconds to imagine the state of our already sucky education system without government funding . . .the ED enables government funding for various educational purposes to the states, assists college students to see through the red tape and money-pandering college propaganda BS to determine which schools are TRULY beneficial, releases information that grades schools (public, higher) and contrasts them with each other - etc . . . without that funding our schools will fail even worse than they already are. Without government tracking information and so on - thereby being the only UNBIASED source of facts and solid information . . . our efforts to gain education and continue to improve what we have, etc - would be more difficult.

No thanks.
 
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Peter King said:
Education IMHO is the best way to give people the chance to get out of poverty.
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Agreed, but then they won't vote for Obama because he is so determined to punish success.
 
Do you call this good reporting?
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it's a blog
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Peter King said:
But that is not the point of the State of the Union speech, I doubt very many presidents talked dollars and cents in the state of the union speech. That kind of information will have to wait until the program is put up for a vote. But I do agree with the president, a good start in life with good education can make a real difference in a life and a society.

Education IMHO is the best way to give people the chance to get out of poverty.
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I agree, but the people in poverty are IN POVERTY now. Long range plans, while beneficial, do not benefit them.

We have had public education available for a long time, yet high school dropout rates are still very high for many segments of society. How to keep students interested in learning should be the focus, IMO. :)
 
polgara said:
I agree, but the people in poverty are IN POVERTY now. Long range plans, while beneficial, do not benefit them.

We have had public education available for a long time, yet high school dropout rates are still very high for many segments of society. How to keep students interested in learning should be the focus, IMO. :)
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yes, but you have to start somewhere or else that next generation will be doomed to be in the same place their parents are now.
 
Peter King said:
yes, but you have to start somewhere or else that next generation will be doomed to be in the same place their parents are now.
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i absolutely agree with you in principle. the cycle of poverty can only be broken via better education
but the president's proposal is NOT the apparent answer
there is nothing to suggest that this version of head start will work any better than the current version

first: do the right things
second: do those things right

in this effort, the president's proposal will accomplish neither
 
Dittohead not! said:
LOL! That no doubt is within their constitutional powers, as is the power to reject Hagel.

Can they? Will they?
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The Constitution provides for a majority vote which is 50% plus 1. NOT 60%!!!
 
In December of 2012 Secretary of Education Arne Duncan published an article which gave the highlights of a 2011 standardized test used to compare students across the globe. United States students in fourth grade improved their average math score from 529 to 541 between 2007 and 2011; the troubling news was that eighth grade students showed almost zero improvement in the same time frame (508 – 509). Based on the results of this assessment, American performance was behind that of China, Japan, South Korea, and Russia, all world powers that compete with our students in the job market of an ever globalizing world.

One thread that seemed to run through each of these education systems is the commitment to students from an early age. China, India, and the UK encourage and provide the instruction that kids need from such a young age, while to my knowledge the United States has no national preschool program. The students of these nations are achieving greater things than students in the United States. Could universal preschool the key to taking America back to the top? Do you still believe that there is another solution out there?
 
CalGun said:
Obama to push universal preschool proposal | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

While I realize it's a blog it's currently a featured news heading on Yahoo News. I was looking over the article for the cost and could not find it. Wouldn't a journalist, reporter, even blogger include the price tag? Why not?
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The government give you a price tag on a government program?

They dont care, they will just propose to raise taxes on the rich or just print the money...isnt that the way it works now a days?
 
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