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Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

  • Pardons should only be issued at the end of a President's term.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    65
None of those people were in prison.
What are you talking about. Yes they were.
That is why their sentence was commuted.

You are really flailing about here.

It’s not a good look for you.
 
What claim am I not supporting? Be specific and use quotes from my comments to back up your assertion.
I just listed them. It’s right there in the post of mine you quoted.

And to add to it let’s see you back up this claim then none of the people Biden pardoned/commuted sentences for were in prison. That should be pretty interesting.

Maybe you should do even the most basic level of research before spouting off
 
What are you talking about. Yes they were.
That is why their sentence was commuted.

You are really flailing about here.

It’s not a good look for you.

No one was freed from prison under last year’s action, but the pardons were meant to help thousands overcome obstacles to renting a home or finding a job. Similarly, no federal prisoners are eligible for release as a result of Friday’s pardon.
 
I just listed them. It’s right there in the post of mine you quoted.

And to add to it let’s see you back up this claim then none of the people Biden pardoned/commuted sentences for were in prison. That should be pretty interesting.

Maybe you should do even the most basic level of research before spouting off
No, you didn't. You put words in my mouth and then tried to attack me for your fairy tale. Try again.
 

No one was freed from prison under last year’s action, but the pardons were meant to help thousands overcome obstacles to renting a home or finding a job. Similarly, no federal prisoners are eligible for release as a result of Friday’s pardon.
Good lord talk about a dishonest goal post move.

Or wait are you really so ignorant in this topic that you think marijuana pardons were the only ones Biden gave.
Maybe spend 5 minutes of google.
 
Good lord talk about a dishonest goal post move.

Or wait are you really so ignorant in this topic that you think marijuana pardons were the only ones Biden gave.
Maybe spend 5 minutes of google.
More fairy tales about my comments from you.
Have a good one!
 
More fairy tales about my comments from you.
Have a good one!
Don’t even have the integrity to admit you were wrong huh. And just going to run.

Can’t say I am surprised.

Unfortunately for you proving you bs is painfully easy.


So we are just going by number now.
Seeing as Biden gave clemency to over 8000 people it seems Trump has a way to go. But who knows. He may get there.
You do also realize that Carter pardoned over 200,000 people right?

None of those people were in prison.
The discussion was about the total number of pardons. No where was anything mentioned just the marijuana pardons.

A little integrity would go a long way with you
 
Don’t even have the integrity to admit you were wrong huh. And just going to run.

Can’t say I am surprised.

Unfortunately for you proving you bs is painfully easy.





The discussion was about the total number of pardons. No where was anything mentioned just the marijuana pardons.

A little integrity would go a long way with you
Oh, I'm not running, I've just made the decision to stop responding to your dishonest comments. It's a waste of time.

BTW, did you respond to the poll?
 
Donald isn’t interested in your opinion and would prefer that you stay in your lane. He likes his autopen and has little patience for some lowly MAGA foot soldier mouthing off about what Donald is or isn’t allowed to do. You’d best keep your head down, you don’t want Donald asking for investigations into your Trump autopen hatred.
That is a very strange TDS rant. I'll help you out a bit. Trump actually addressed the autopen issue in a press conference yesterday honoring Elon Musk for his DOGE efforts. He stated that he does not use autopen for any official documents whatsoever. He does use it for non-official tasks like signing letters and photos sent in response to letters from supporters. Are we clear?
 
That is a very strange TDS rant. I'll help you out a bit. Trump actually addressed the autopen issue in a press conference yesterday honoring Elon Musk for his DOGE efforts. He stated that he does not use autopen for any official documents whatsoever. He does use it for non-official tasks like signing letters and photos sent in response to letters from supporters. Are we clear?
So how do you think Trump personally facilitated the 1500+ pardons for the J6 criminals?
 
Oh, I'm not running, I've just made the decision to stop responding to your dishonest comments. It's a waste of time.

BTW, did you respond to the poll?
The problem with that is I proved your dishonesty right in the post you quoted. And it is there for all to see.
Even if you want to pretend otherwise.


I did. And just FYI I have posted my thoughts on pardons else where in on this site.
 
So how do you think Trump personally facilitated the 1500+ pardons for the J6 criminals?
You’re the one complaining about auto pen, not me. Is it fine as long as it is only Trump who is doing it?
 
An opinion not supported by facts. Not that that has ever stopped you before.
You must not of heard of the mandate.

Trump's on a revenge campaign....any pardon that "owns the libs"!
 
Bad cases make bad laws. Trump's use of the pardon capability is the worst possible case. Let's see what happens when we get a real president again before making changes.
The worst possible case is selling a pardon for a campaign contribution to the Presidents wife's campaign and sex with the criminal's wife. Of course this was a Democrat President and was prior to the time Democrats "pioneered" impeachment as a political weapon to be used after the President left office. Look up the case of fugitive fraudster Marc Rich.

Get a clue, the reality is our President is Donald Trump.
 
I believe we should have faith in our judicial system.
We all understand it is not perfect.
Pardon power is one among a slew of other powers that Trump has clearly abused.
It is time to revisit those powers, in order to ensure that the three branches remain coequal.
Sadly, we do not have a Congress that is capable of such in its current state.

The trumpers in Congress who have abdicated their responsibilities out of fear must be voted out.
VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
All of them.
 
The worst possible case is selling a pardon for a campaign contribution to the Presidents wife's campaign and sex with the criminal's wife. Of course this was a Democrat President and was prior to the time Democrats "pioneered" impeachment as a political weapon to be used after the President left office. Look up the case of fugitive fraudster Marc Rich.

Get a clue, the reality is our President is Donald Trump.

There was quite a bit of bi-partisan outrage over the Marc Rich pardon.
 
There was quite a bit of bi-partisan outrage over the Marc Rich pardon.
Not enough outrage to prompt either reform restricting the pardon powers or impeaching President Clinton. Instead the 2 for 1 Clinton package was nominated for Presidential candidate.
 
Biden had to issue pardons because Trump is not a rational actor.

Clinton should have been jailed for taking cash for a pardon as should Trump.
What does that even mean..'he had to'? Biden, I am guessing Biden issued the pardons and not Hunter writing his own pardon and using his dad's auto pen to sign off on it. You don't see something kind of strange and maybe illegal with the Biden pardons?
 
Nice attempt to move the goal posts.
Did you still condemn the autopen or are you okay with it since Trump uses it? I'm referring to your first reply to me, post #65.
Eh! Didn't you see Trump sign all those EO's in public...not auto pen was used.
 
No, we mean evidence of this vast conspiracy of stolen votes you people still pretend to believe in.
We people...I said from day one that the election was won by Biden. Fraud? of course there is fraud in all election dating back to the first president election. But the fraud does not mean the election was influenced but it.
The only cases I remember where fraud influenced an election was in California (Dornan v Sanchez) and was proven but the ethic committee ruled in favor of Sanchez. However...
The House Oversight Committee said it found evidence of 748 improper ballots, 624 by immigrants who were not citizens when they registered to vote.
As a result Democrats block a bill that would made US citizenship mandatory.
 
I dislike the fact that Biden had to issue pardons for his family. I dislike more the fact that Trump promised to investigate and jail Biden's family. He missed his chance on locking up Hillary, so he changed his target to Hunter. This by the man who himself is a convicted felon, not in jail due to the stupidity of a large segment of the American voters.

I think the pardon should be limited to people who have exhausted their appeals, and have so far served their sentences in model prisoner fashion, or to those who have been blatantly wronged by their prosecution. The Jan. 6th rioters do not fit this mold, nor do the friends and relatives of the political contributing class.
A person cannot be a felon until he sentenced.
I agree too one point....people who caused damage to the Capitol or assaulted a Capitol police office got what they deserved. But trespassing is not a felon but a misdemeanor in most case, and they should have been charged and fined and not spent months in jail waiting for their trail.
 
Maybe he's saying Trump can never be pardoned? He is a convicted felon.
No Trump is not a convicted felon...read the law....a person isn't a felon until he is sentenced and Trump was never sentenced.
 
We people...I said from day one that the election was won by Biden. Fraud? of course there is fraud in all election dating back to the first president election. But the fraud does not mean the election was influenced but it.
Do not pretend this is the typical Trumper position.

The only cases I remember where fraud influenced an election was in California (Dornan v Sanchez) and was proven but the ethic committee ruled in favor of Sanchez. However...

As a result Democrats block a bill that would made US citizenship mandatory.
US citizenship is already mandatory to vote in a presidential election, what are you talking about?
 
Other, please specify in comments

I'd be fine with pardons if there were limitations to the offense being pardoned. I had no issues with less egregious offenders being set free, e.g. people who were in prison for drug possession. I feel there would need to be a threshold set by a body of legal experts that future presidents would need to agree with as part of who can and cannot be pardoned while in office.

I was also thinking it might be beneficial for pardons to go through the Judiciary before being approved, but with the number of pardons that often end up going through at the end of terms, I don't know if that would be feasible. I'd consider it a nice-to-have.
 
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