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Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

  • Pardons should only be issued at the end of a President's term.

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Until Trump came along presidential pardons weren't a problem

But under trump it has become all in your ability to pay.

Now we are going to have to limit a lot of the powers of the president.
Really...you didn't see a problem when Biden pardoned his whole family? You didn't see a problem when Clinton pardoned a tax cheat in exchange for money?
 
Of course, you also believe that the 2020 election was stolen and the Cyber Ninjas in Arizona are going to blow the lid off the whole scheme.

What do these things you believe have in common?

NO EVIDENCE!

That's kind of Mycroft's thing.
You mean the kind of evidence that democrats and the MSM used to hide Biden's decline?
 
You mean the kind of evidence that democrats and the MSM used to hide Biden's decline?
No, I was referring to evidence that supports Mycroft's claim tha there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud (a crime) in 2020. To this day, Mycroft maintains there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud. Yet, here we are, a half decade later still waiting for Mycroft or ANYONE to reveal the evidence.

Biden's people basically did the same thing as Nancy Reagan did during Reagan's second term and FDR's people did while hiding the president's crippling polio. These were not criminal.

Mycroft likes to declare facts not in evidence on this board. More often than not, he winds up with egg on his face. But, like a good little Trumpster, he does not let facts or truth deter him in any way.
 
No, I was referring to evidence that supports Mycroft's claim tha there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud (a crime) in 2020. To this day, Mycroft maintains there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud. Yet, here we are, a half decade later still waiting for Mycroft or ANYONE to reveal the evidence.

Biden's people basically did the same thing as Nancy Reagan did during Reagan's second term and FDR's people did while hiding the president's crippling polio. These were not criminal.

Mycroft likes to declare facts not in evidence on this board. More often than not, he winds up with egg on his face. But, like a good little Trumpster, he does not let facts or truth deter him in any way.
Duh!
 
Really...you didn't see a problem when Biden pardoned his whole family? You didn't see a problem when Clinton pardoned a tax cheat in exchange for money?
Biden had to issue pardons because Trump is not a rational actor.

Clinton should have been jailed for taking cash for a pardon as should Trump.
 
He pardoned all the people convicted of J6 crimes plus dozens of others.
And Jimmy Carter pardoned all draft dodger who fled to Canada, including many who did not deserve it. What's your point? Biden pardoned some nasty characters as well, including his crack addicted son.
 
Mass pardons on one piece of paper are different than an autopen how?
Very silly question. At least Trump personally signed the document or documents. Biden on the other hand when confronted about certain bills he supposed signed, denied doing it. Can you say "autopen by someone else"?
 
And Jimmy Carter pardoned all draft dodger who fled to Canada, including many who did not deserve it. What's your point? Biden pardoned some nasty characters as well, including his crack addicted son.
Nice attempt to move the goal posts.
Did you still condemn the autopen or are you okay with it since Trump uses it? I'm referring to your first reply to me, post #65.
 
Yes. Presidents should be required to provide a detailed legal analysis and justification for a pardon or commutation. It should be no less thorough than a SCOTUS decision.
 
As the Constitution states this power of the president, I am...okay....with it. Given the reasoning the Framers used to implement it. Having said that...

I would not mind amending it so that it is clear that the president cannot pardon himself. That a former president cannot be pardoned once he has left office by the president in office. Also, that a person found guilty of treason cannot be pardoned, but their sentence can be reduced, change of prison and if given the death penalty. commuted to life imprisonment with no parole.
 
Very silly question. At least Trump personally signed the document or documents. Biden on the other hand when confronted about certain bills he supposed signed, denied doing it. Can you say "autopen by someone else"?
Trump denies doing shit he did all the time. Autopen by someone else?

And if there are mass pardons on the documents, how do we know Trump actually wanted to pardon everyone on the list? Do you think Trump personally chose to pardon so many violent criminals or do you think they got slipped onto the list by underlings?
 
You mean the kind of evidence that democrats and the MSM used to hide Biden's decline?
No, we mean evidence of this vast conspiracy of stolen votes you people still pretend to believe in.
 

Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

I have long believed that President's, no matter the R or D, should not have any power over Federal Pardons, period!
 
I was around when Gerald Ford issued the preemptive unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon "for any and all crimes he may have committed." This was shocking to me, because it seemed every day there were more revelations of more egregious crimes committed by Nixon and his cronies. They had actually discussed murdering certain individuals. Did they actually kill anyone? We'll never know, because the pardon put an end to all the investigations.

So, I agree. The presidential pardon should be limited to persons actually convicted of crimes.

I admit that President Ford's pardon of Nixon was a surprise to myself, as well. Well, you wrote "shocking" but I figured that President Ford wanted to get us back to moving forward as a nation and not going on-and-on with what would have been years of this-and-that investigation.

As for the topic of discussing murder/assassination at that level of government, I would suspect that wasn't the first admin to discuss such details. Nor the last. Yes, you made note of "certain individuals" but opening that door could really get weird, even if the door is opened on just "certain individuals" although that Nixon fella sure did seem to be taking a lot of liberties with his authority as chief executive. He was certainly an odd one. If we'd had this Internet communications possible back in those days the nation would have been brought to a standstill and we would have lost the Cold War.

Have we ever had a president investigated for that sort of thing? I mean, investigated for discussing murder/assassination.
 
No, I was referring to evidence that supports Mycroft's claim tha there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud (a crime) in 2020. To this day, Mycroft maintains there was MASSIVE election and voter fraud. Yet, here we are, a half decade later still waiting for Mycroft or ANYONE to reveal the evidence.

Biden's people basically did the same thing as Nancy Reagan did during Reagan's second term and FDR's people did while hiding the president's crippling polio. These were not criminal.

Mycroft likes to declare facts not in evidence on this board. More often than not, he winds up with egg on his face. But, like a good little Trumpster, he does not let facts or truth deter him in any way.
@antiquity is not allowed to cross or contradict a more senior MAGA such as Mycroft, but instead is expected to protect them hence the attempt by the more junior MAGA to run air cover for his superior. He knows that if he were ever to challenge a fellow soldier in any way, well, Donald has little patience for traitors and enemies within. @antiquity is not going to do anything that might risk him getting Liz Cheney’d.
 
It is in the Constitution.
But funny you bring up Presidential pardons when Trump is president but were strangely silent when Biden pardon his son and most his staff and made back by ten years to cover all their bases.
I dislike the fact that Biden had to issue pardons for his family. I dislike more the fact that Trump promised to investigate and jail Biden's family. He missed his chance on locking up Hillary, so he changed his target to Hunter. This by the man who himself is a convicted felon, not in jail due to the stupidity of a large segment of the American voters.

I think the pardon should be limited to people who have exhausted their appeals, and have so far served their sentences in model prisoner fashion, or to those who have been blatantly wronged by their prosecution. The Jan. 6th rioters do not fit this mold, nor do the friends and relatives of the political contributing class.
 
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