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Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

Do you believe there should be limits on the President's power to issue pardons for federal crimes?

  • Pardons should only be issued at the end of a President's term.

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No Trump is not a convicted felon...read the law....a person isn't a felon until he is sentenced and Trump was never sentenced.
He is guilty of the offenses, you can quibble over semantics all day. Nobody cares.
 
I dislike the fact that Biden had to issue pardons for his family. I dislike more the fact that Trump promised to investigate and jail Biden's family. He missed his chance on locking up Hillary, so he changed his target to Hunter. This by the man who himself is a convicted felon, not in jail due to the stupidity of a large segment of the American voters.

I think the pardon should be limited to people who have exhausted their appeals, and have so far served their sentences in model prisoner fashion, or to those who have been blatantly wronged by their prosecution. The Jan. 6th rioters do not fit this mold, nor do the friends and relatives of the political contributing class.
Trump had no intention of actually going after Hillary. That was just red meat for his base. In fact, Trump had lunch with the Clintons immediately following his first inauguration, taking the opportunity to say several complimentary things about the former First Family.

Trump knew there was no point in pursuing Hillary after he had won the election. Then, when it became clear that Biden was the front runner Democrat for 2020, he tried to convince Ukraine to "announce" an investigation into the Bidens so he could use it on the campaign trail. That failed, as Ukraine was not interested in playing Trump's game.

The GOP-led HOR then took up the challenge of "investigating" the president's potential rivals. The Dems took control of the House following the 2018 midterms. Extorting a foreign government for personal political gain led to Trump's first impeachment.

"Investigations" have been a staple of the GOP re-election strategy since the Clintons and Whitewater.

Trump had "his people" investigating Obama's birth certificate all through 2016 (wink, wink). Of course, we know how that turned out. At that point, he made the claim he was going to have Hillary "investigated." And again, it was just total BS.
 
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What does that even mean..'he had to'? Biden, I am guessing Biden issued the pardons and not Hunter writing his own pardon and using his dad's auto pen to sign off on it. You don't see something kind of strange and maybe illegal with the Biden pardons?

Your posts need to mature.
 
I believe we should have faith in our judicial system.
We all understand it is not perfect.
You recognize our judicial system is imperfect but insist we must have blind faith in it. Of course when Democrats falsely accuse Trump supporters of blind faith in Trump its supposedly evidence of a fascist cult.
Pardon power is one among a slew of other powers that Trump has clearly abused.
Clearly abused? Presidential pardons exist to allow the President to correct abuses of the Federal justice system. The Federal prosecutor boasted about his shock and awe policy of maximizing charges for J6 defendants no matter the facts of the case. At the same time Federal prosecutors delayed bringing cases to trial for defendants held in squalid DC jail conditions for years. And why not? Activist judges like Chutkan and politicized DC juries consider it their patriotic mission to destroy the Bad Orange Man and any of his allies.
It is time to revisit those powers, in order to ensure that the three branches remain coequal.
Sadly, we do not have a Congress that is capable of such in its current state.
Last I checked the DOJ is part of the executive branch. That's what enabled the Biden regime to direct AG Garland to engage in an extended campaign of lawfare targeting political enemies.

The three Federal government branches are not coequal. Congress holds the whip hand by it's control of the budget and impeachment. Congress can even override Presidential vetos.
The trumpers in Congress who have abdicated their responsibilities out of fear must be voted out.
VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
All of them.
Contrary to your claim of fear based obedience Congressional Trump supporters actively sought his endorsement. Oh wait, sour never Trumper RINOs like Liz Cheney and Jeff Flake got blown out in their re-election bids by their home constituents no doubt operating out of fear. Preposterous.
 
I am willing to revisit every Presidential power. Trump is the worst President we've had in terms of corruption, and I think we should revise our Constitution with the idea in mind that he won't be the last thoroughly corrupt person to hold the office.
 
I am willing to revisit every Presidential power. Trump is the worst President we've had in terms of corruption, and I think we should revise our Constitution with the idea in mind that he won't be the last thoroughly corrupt person to hold the office.
Or with the idea in mind that he becomes the last thoroughly corrupt person to hold office by revising our constitution to prevent future corrupt presidents, but I think that's what you meant.
 
No Trump is not a convicted felon...read the law....a person isn't a felon until he is sentenced and Trump was never sentenced.
That's not true. TACO is a big time FELON.
 
You recognize our judicial system is imperfect but insist we must have blind faith in it.
No. Read what I wrote.

Of course when Democrats falsely accuse Trump supporters of blind faith in Trump its supposedly evidence of a fascist cult.
You keep using the word blind, not me. I think it is an apt description of the trump cult followers, though.

Clearly abused? Presidential pardons exist to allow the President to correct abuses of the Federal justice system.
That's the idea, but it has been clearly abused.

That's what enabled the Biden regime to direct AG Garland to engage in an extended campaign of lawfare targeting political enemies.
And your evidence of that fantasy? None. But we see trump doing it right now.

The three Federal government branches are not coequal.
They are equal in status, or should be. They are not equal in power, as the judicial branch - for example - has no military to enforce their decisions.

Congress holds the whip hand by it's control of the budget and impeachment. Congress can even override Presidential vetos.
Yes. But they have been corrupted, and have ceded some of their power to the current president - temporarily.

Contrary to your claim of fear based obedience Congressional Trump supporters actively sought his endorsement. Oh wait, sour never Trumper RINOs like Liz Cheney and Jeff Flake got blown out in their re-election bids by their home constituents no doubt operating out of fear. Preposterous.
No idea what you are babbling about here.
 
You recognize our judicial system is imperfect but insist we must have blind faith in it. <snipped>
I didn't see the user make it an imperative of "blind faith" of our judicial system, but simple "faith", there is a difference.
Of course when Democrats falsely accuse Trump supporters of blind faith in Trump
When is it not "blind faith" in Trump when it appears every move he makes is 'high-fived' by MAGATS et al and praised and given seeming blind endorsement sans any questioning or fact checking or questioning on their part?
The evidence of this is overwhelming and the evidence that it is an ongoing and serious problem for our Nation is also overwhelming.
its supposedly evidence of a fascist cult.
What else could it be but such evidence of a cult like sycophancy with nearly 80 tens of millions of blind faith devotees who have bowed down to a SINGULAR figure, a grossly flawed figure, with a shattered character who is using the Office of the Presidency as his private ATM with his grifting being done right out in the open, without any complaints from the tens of millions who voted for him.

Listen to his appearances before MAGATS et al and hear how they fawn over the man, how they sheer every utterance, no matter how incoherent or false or nonsensical. The "fascist" part, I will not make that distinction, cause I feel it is not that, but cultish, cult like, a cult movement, oh hell yeah.

RECOGNIZE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF CULTS
  1. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving [Check his ire at Liz Cheney et al]
  2. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leader(s) [Check the rhetoric of MAGATS et al here in DP for us who do not praise Trump]
  3. Dishonoring the family unit [Saw this first hand from Trump worshiping in-laws, how they tried to destroy me, or alienate me from my wife]
  4. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. [“CONGESTION PRICING IS DEAD, Manhattan, and all of New York, is SAVED. LONG LIVE THE KING!” ~ Donald Trump] ... [“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.” ~ Donald Trump]
  5. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. [“I chicken out? I’ve never heard that. Don’t ever say what you said. That’s a nasty question. To me, that’s the nastiest question.” ~ President Trump]
  6. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
  7. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies, and persecutions.
  8. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
  9. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
  10. The group/leader is always right. [Trump shows off 'Trump Was Right About Everything!' hats]
  11. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" [aka Truth Social] or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
https://www.cookman.edu/crl/cult-related-activity.html

"If it looks like a duck [cult], swims like a duck [cult], and quacks like a duck [cult], then it probably is a duck [cult]." ~ KING MAGAT'S aka Donald Trump's White House

It is more of a cult than anything else, the accusations are not false.
 
No Trump is not a convicted felon...read the law....a person isn't a felon until he is sentenced and Trump was never sentenced.
Ah, let me substitute "Trump is a criminal who has been found guilty of 54 felony counts by a jury of his peers"

Trump only avoids being a convicted (sentenced) felon due to the idiocy of almost 49% of American voters.
 
Given Taco Don's recent pardons of clearly corrupt and morally compromised people? I'm starting to think the power should be limited.

I know, I know, MAGAs...here's your default bleat:

"BUH BUH BUH BIDEN!"
 
He is guilty of the offenses, you can quibble over semantics all day. Nobody cares.

No, nobody is guilty of any offenses until they are sentenced in a court of law by the judge during the penalty phase.
Look it up. If you don't want to do this, I'll provide a source. Just ask.
 
No Trump is not a convicted felon...read the law....a person isn't a felon until he is sentenced and Trump was never sentenced.
Interesting.
Do you consider that a moral distinction or a legal loophole? 🤔
 
No, nobody is guilty of any offenses until they are sentenced in a court of law by the judge during the penalty phase.
Look it up. If you don't want to do this, I'll provide a source. Just ask.
Wrong.....even AI knows this one:

Yes, someone is considered guilty after they have been found guilty by a court, but before sentencing. This means they have been convicted and are legally guilty of the crime, but the judge has yet to determine the appropriate punishment. The determination of guilt and the subsequent sentencing phase are separate stages of the criminal justice process.

But your "source" might be interesting.
 
Wrong.....even AI knows this one:



But your "source" might be interesting.
It defeats yours. Glad I could help. :)

In most U.S. states, you must be convicted AND sentenced for a felony offense to be legally considered a felon. Simply being charged with a felony is not enough - the court process must be completed with both a conviction and sentencing. Some key points:

  • A guilty verdict or plea alone does not make someone a felon until sentencing occurs
  • The sentence must be imposed by a judge in accordance with state law
  • Rights are typically not restricted until after sentencing is complete
  • The conviction must be for an offense classified as a felony, not a misdemeanor
  • Some states have specific waiting periods after sentencing before certain restrictions apply
 
It defeats yours. Glad I could help. :)

In most U.S. states, you must be convicted AND sentenced for a felony offense to be legally considered a felon. Simply being charged with a felony is not enough - the court process must be completed with both a conviction and sentencing. Some key points:

  • A guilty verdict or plea alone does not make someone a felon until sentencing occurs
  • The sentence must be imposed by a judge in accordance with state law
  • Rights are typically not restricted until after sentencing is complete
  • The conviction must be for an offense classified as a felony, not a misdemeanor
  • Some states have specific waiting periods after sentencing before certain restrictions apply
Nice try, but no one was calling Trump a felon.....YOU stated he was not guilty until sentenced. Please reread YOUR post #164.

Trump was found guilty of 54 felony accounts. He is not considered a convicted felon until sentenced.....but he is considered found guilty by a jury.
 
As usual I default to the Constitution. The power of Pardon is expressly given to the President. I have no objection on legal or constitutional grounds to object.
 
No. Read what I wrote.


You keep using the word blind, not me. I think it is an apt description of the trump cult followers, though.
Supporting the Democrat strategy of giving 650+ Federal District court judges veto power over the duely elected POTUS is blind faith and anti Constitutional.

There we go. It always comes back to Orange Man Bad.
That's the idea, but it has been clearly abused.
What's clear is Democrat abuse of the judicial system for partisan political ends.
And your evidence of that fantasy? None. But we see trump doing it right now.
Please, there is overwhelming evidence of the Biden regime directing the lawfare campaign targeting Trump.
They are equal in status, or should be. They are not equal in power, as the judicial branch - for example - has no military to enforce their decisions.
Equal in status? What's that supposed to mean? Nothing.
Yes. But they have been corrupted, and have ceded some of their power to the current president - temporarily.
Congress has been corrupted because they haven't overturned the election results to please Democrats? Absurd.
The corruption is in Democrats attempting to govern by a tsunami of forum shopped lawsuits bypassing Congress. Democrats love to strut and preen claiming to support democracy and the rule of law but losing an election triggers the authoritarian insisting on rule by a tribunal before petty tyrants like Judge Boasberg.
No idea what you are babbling about here.
The claim was that members of Congress were supporting Trump's agenda out of fear. That's lunacy as shown by examples. Of course members of Congress being responsive to their constituents appears as fear to Democrats living in their partisan bubble.
 
I didn't see the user make it an imperative of "blind faith" of our judicial system, but simple "faith", there is a difference.
Any objection to the Democrats rampant abuse of the judiciary as a super legislature by decree is characterized as usurping the rule of law. That is textbook blind faith.
When is it not "blind faith" in Trump when it appears every move he makes is 'high-fived' by MAGATS et al and praised and given seeming blind endorsement sans any questioning or fact checking or questioning on their part?
The evidence of this is overwhelming and the evidence that it is an ongoing and serious problem for our Nation is also overwhelming.

What else could it be but such evidence of a cult like sycophancy with nearly 80 tens of millions of blind faith devotees who have bowed down to a SINGULAR figure, a grossly flawed figure, with a shattered character who is using the Office of the Presidency as his private ATM with his grifting being done right out in the open, without any complaints from the tens of millions who voted for him.

Listen to his appearances before MAGATS et al and hear how they fawn over the man, how they sheer every utterance, no matter how incoherent or false or nonsensical. The "fascist" part, I will not make that distinction, cause I feel it is not that, but cultish, cult like, a cult movement, oh hell yeah.



"If it looks like a duck [cult], swims like a duck [cult], and quacks like a duck [cult], then it probably is a duck [cult]." ~ KING MAGAT'S aka Donald Trump's White House

It is more of a cult than anything else, the accusations are not false.
Can't discuss the issue of mandatory blind faith in judicial rule by decree so it's off to an Orange Man Bad rant.
 
Supporting the Democrat strategy of giving 650+ Federal District court judges veto power over the duely elected POTUS is blind faith and anti Constitutional.

There we go. It always comes back to Orange Man Bad.
So a president should be able to interpret the law any way he wants. Huh.

What's clear is Democrat abuse of the judicial system for partisan political ends.
That may be clear to to right wing extremists, but not in reality.

Please, there is overwhelming evidence of the Biden regime directing the lawfare campaign targeting Trump.
There is none.

Equal in status? What's that supposed to mean? Nothing.

Congress has been corrupted because they haven't overturned the election results to please Democrats? Absurd.
??? Not what I said at all.

The corruption is in Democrats attempting to govern by a tsunami of forum shopped lawsuits bypassing Congress. Democrats love to strut and preen claiming to support democracy and the rule of law but losing an election triggers the authoritarian insisting on rule by a tribunal before petty tyrants like Judge Boasberg.
I get that you don’t like it when the judicial system doesn’t lie down for trump.

The claim was that members of Congress were supporting Trump's agenda out of fear.
Demonstrably true. See trump’s clear threats of “you will be primaried” if you don’t play along with me. Witness the various flip flops of Rubio and Graham and many others who lambasted trump and now praise him faithfully. Please.

That's lunacy as shown by examples.
What examples?

Of course members of Congress being responsive to their constituents appears as fear to Democrats living in their partisan bubble.
You only see a bubble outside of your own. That one is apparently invisible to you. Look closer.
 
Nice attempt to move the goal posts.
Did you still condemn the autopen or are you okay with it since Trump uses it? I'm referring to your first reply to me, post #65.
I am okay with its use on anything other than official government business. The damn things are intended merely to sign a large quantity of souvenir autographs, not official business. I condemn the use of autopen for any legal documents. Are we clear?
 
Democrats should be allowed to issue Pardons but not Republicans.
 
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