Do any of our gay members find this offensive?

[Gardener]

I've been on dozens of Pride marches (first one 1982) and although there has been an increase in the degree of 'flaunting' as time has gone by, I look upon that as a positive thing. On my first Pride a couple of guys were arrested for wearing jockstraps with bottomless chaps over them. Charged with public indecency. It became a bit of a cause celebre and they were acquitted.

I'm with Sangha, people oppressed for their sexuality will celebrate their hard-fought freedom by displaying that sexuality.

Don't want to see it? Don't go to watch the parade.

Parades occur along streets where people live and work, and so your demand that people who do not wish to see sex in public not go is a bit extreme.

I am not offended by the flag, however. Heck, I've been in the Castro where a window display on a street corner has a lineup of male dolls in full, and often extremely exaggerated anatomical detail. It just struck me as silly, as it does those who live there with its relaxed atmosphere.

That being said, there ARE limits. Where those limits are placed is up to debate, but the the more outlandish displays do no service to the gay community that wishes to be accepted as normal for the precise reason that it elicits the response by the homophobes who can then say "see -- I told you they were all a bunch of...... whatever".

 

[chromium]

What bias do I have?

I have nothing against LGBT, Im pro gay marriage, I have gay family members and friends... Have gone to gay bars, festivals, and been down a LGBT runway...

I have ZERO bias... just because I disagree with you doesnt mean I have a bias...
ACTUALLY, YOU seem to have more of a dog in this fight than I do... which means you should watch out for your own bias'...

Tell me... what do you want me to show you to convince you that LGBT culture is more openly sexual?
I can give you statistics? Personal experience? A gay guy coming in here and telling you?

It's not really even a question... and there are reasons why it is that way.... and THE WHOLE FACT IS NOTHING TO DISCRIMINATE ABOUT.... SO WHAT, they are more openly sexual??? WHO CARES?

I bet you don't.... but since you are biased you choose to just argue for the sake of arguing because you hate anti-gay people.

Pretty sure he referred to the OP, who imagines that everyone gay is a slut and likes to shove it in the face of little kids. Well obviously the % of lgbt who go to these parades and show off huge plastic genitalia or whatever he's bitching about is very small. It's quite possible that the % at the parades doing this behavior is also small. But when you confirmed *part* of the OP's bias that yes, they are more promiscuous on average, he showed approval for the first time.

Even though i'm gay and also agree with you that it's more promiscuous as a whole, in fact i gave reasons for why this is, unlike others i don't take offense because right, who cares

 

[celticwar17]

Pretty sure he referred to the OP, who imagines that everyone gay is a slut and likes to shove it in the face of little kids. Well obviously the % of lgbt who go to these parades and show off huge plastic genitalia or whatever he's bitching about is very small. It's quite possible that the % at the parades doing this behavior is also small. But when you confirmed *part* of the OP's bias that yes, they are more promiscuous on average, he showed approval for the first time.

Even though i'm gay and also agree with you that it's more promiscuous as a whole, in fact i gave reasons for why this is, unlike others i don't take offense because right, who cares

I think I got a little ahead of myself xD

 

[chromium]

Parades occur along streets where people live and work, and so your demand that people who do not wish to see sex in public not go is a bit extreme.

I am not offended by the flag, however. Heck, I've been in the Castro where a window display on a street corner has a lineup of male dolls in full, and often extremely exaggerated anatomical detail. It just struck me as silly, as it does those who live there with its relaxed atmosphere.

That being said, there ARE limits. Where those limits are placed is up to debate, but the the more outlandish displays do no service to the gay community that wishes to be accepted as normal for the precise reason that it elicits the response by the homophobes who can then say "see -- I told you they were all a bunch of...... whatever".

Yeah right, the behavior of 1% is supposed to reflect on the other 99%, only an imbecile bigot who will hate gays no matter what will believe this and i don't need to defend myself for the behavior of others.

These parades aren't even about making a statement anymore, just having fun like mardi gras or whatever

 

[chromium]

The LGBT is not more sexual or lewd than heterosexuals. Your whole premise is based on your anecdotes. Your anecdote was then refuted by someone else's anecdote and your whole refutation to that was "well your perception and your friends are in denial". Incredibly asinine.





And I and all my friends and all my experiences amongst the gay community would disagree with you and your gay friends and their limited perception of the gay community. Two can play this game in which arguments rest on the validity of your personal experiences.





No, it's not.

Any brief and unclouded look at reality would reveal that mainstream is very heavily inundated by heterosexual sexuality. Homosexuality in mainstream anything is so ridiculously insignificant it's not worth mentioning

You are not going to see anything in mainstream that is homosexual that will rival commercials for perfume ads where a man and woman are clearly having sex.
Jean commercials of the same vain
GoDaddy commercials
Axe commercials
You are not going to see billboards with scantily clad twinks trying to sell a product.
Burger King doesn't higher Kate Upton for the lesbians.
90% percent of all romance narratives, no matter how raunchy they are, on basic cable are not going to be homosexual in nature.
90% of any romance in films - including damn near every blockbuster in history up to date - will be heterosexual.
Michael Bay doesn't cast cute twinky gay boys to bend over cars in his Transformers movies
99.9% of any sex scene seen on tv, film, or read in a novel will be heterosexual
You are not going to see gay men and women eating each others face in public anywhere near as much as you will see heterosexuals doing so

The list goes on. That's mainstream. Sure, gays may get a little butt wild once a year at a gay parade or after dark in a gay bar - but to try to claim that their sexual behavior is so rampant that it has somehow has superceded heterosexual mainstream sexuality and heteronormativity is laughably absurd.





Grindr and it's kind exist because Homosexuals are forced into the shadows for their sexual exploits.

Heterosexuals don't need a grindr - Prostitution, strip bars, escorts are all primarily heterosexual in nature. That is where the heterosexuals flock to get their jimmies. And again all of which - strip bars, prostitution, exist in far more numbers for heterosexuals than it does for homosexuals.

You're right that there's more overt sexuality among heterosexuals - duh, they're the vast majority and that's where marketing goes - but evidence of equal or greater promiscuity, not a chance. The reasons you or i give doesn't negate that it's true. Grindr isn't just about concealing sex acts, but a conduit for sex with multiple partners (although sometimes it leads to relationships). It's not a substitute for strip bars either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

"The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

Keep in mind, that's just those who are in relationships. The ones cruising on grindr, well...

Hopefully I don’t need to tell you how unapproving most wives would be at their husbands even broaching this desire. Do swinger parties exist? Yep! Are hetero college-aged males promiscuous? Yep! But when they ‘settle down’ that behavior tends to stop, while it drags on for gay men much longer.

There was also a study showing that said promiscuity is on the decline, but i don't know it will ever reach the same level as heterosexuals. Why? I figure it's just because guys are usually hornier. Another reason is fewer % of homosexuals, even those in relationships, have kids

Perhaps unlike you, i don't see these findings as some terrible shame to get defensive over. Again, it's just human nature acted out

 

[wolfsgirl]

You're right that there's more overt sexuality among heterosexuals - duh, they're the vast majority and that's where marketing goes - but evidence of equal or greater promiscuity, not a chance. The reasons you or i give doesn't negate that it's true. Grindr isn't just about concealing sex acts, but a conduit for sex with multiple partners (although sometimes it leads to relationships). It's not a substitute for strip bars either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

"The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

Keep in mind, that's just those who are in relationships. The ones cruising on grindr, well...

Hopefully I don’t need to tell you how unapproving most wives would be at their husbands even broaching this desire. Do swinger parties exist? Yep! Are hetero college-aged males promiscuous? Yep! But when they ‘settle down’ that behavior tends to stop, while it drags on for gay men much longer.

There was also a study showing that said promiscuity is on the decline, but i don't know it will ever reach the same level as heterosexuals. Why? I figure it's just because guys are usually hornier. Another reason is fewer % of homosexuals, even those in relationships, have kids

Perhaps unlike you, i don't see these findings as some terrible shame to get defensive over. Again, it's just human nature acted out

That study included couples that had been in their relationship for at least 3 months. It did not ask for any type of commitment level like dating, domestic partners, civil unions, married, and it recruited at bars and on craigs list. Most committed couples aren't cruising craigs list or hanging out in bars.

Box turtle did a good job of explaining that study.
Box Turtle Bulletin » No, the SF study did NOT illustrate that half of gay marriages are “open”

 

[Zinthaniel]

You're right that there's more overt sexuality among heterosexuals - duh, they're the vast majority and that's where marketing goes - but evidence of equal or greater promiscuity, not a chance. The reasons you or i give doesn't negate that it's true. Grindr isn't just about concealing sex acts, but a conduit for sex with multiple partners (although sometimes it leads to relationships). It's not a substitute for strip bars either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

"The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners."

Keep in mind, that's just those who are in relationships. The ones cruising on grindr, well...

Hopefully I don’t need to tell you how unapproving most wives would be at their husbands even broaching this desire. Do swinger parties exist? Yep! Are hetero college-aged males promiscuous? Yep! But when they ‘settle down’ that behavior tends to stop, while it drags on for gay men much longer.

There was also a study showing that said promiscuity is on the decline, but i don't know it will ever reach the same level as heterosexuals. Why? I figure it's just because guys are usually hornier. Another reason is fewer % of homosexuals, even those in relationships, have kids

Perhaps unlike you, i don't see these findings as some terrible shame to get defensive over. Again, it's just human nature acted out

The claim that homosexuals are more lewd - as in are more likely to act sexual perverse in public - is false.

The claim that homosexual sexuality is more mainstream is false.

That was my contention. You are interjecting a whole different discussion into a thread that is about something entirely different.

 

[Andalublue]

Parades occur along streets where people live and work, and so your demand that people who do not wish to see sex in public not go is a bit extreme.

I've never seen sex in public at a Pride parade. I've seen plenty of near nakedness and some very funny and outrageous things, but have you seen people having sex on a Pride parade?

That being said, there ARE limits. Where those limits are placed is up to debate, but the the more outlandish displays do no service to the gay community that wishes to be accepted as normal for the precise reason that it elicits the response by the homophobes who can then say "see -- I told you they were all a bunch of...... whatever".

It's the one day in the year when no one is, or should feel that they have to, behave like good little queers and not frighten the horses. Would you have everyone parade in suits and ties or pencil-line skirts? It's about saying, "We're here, we're queer and we're not going to conform to what anyone else wants to force us to be."

 

[chromium]

That study included couples that had been in their relationship for at least 3 months. It did not ask for any type of commitment level like dating, domestic partners, civil unions, married, and it recruited at bars and on craigs list. Most committed couples aren't cruising craigs list or hanging out in bars.

Box turtle did a good job of explaining that study.
Box Turtle Bulletin » No, the SF study did NOT illustrate that half of gay marriages are “open”

That was the minimum to participate yes, but your article glosses over the fact the median of the actual relationships was 4 years. That's quite a commitment, legal contract or no. Even 3 months is firmly in the "more than friends" category. How many unmarried hetero couples who are together 4 years will agree to have other partners? I didn't even look for a comparison study, because i'm quite sure it's less than 50%

Your complaint about the places of seeking participants is valid, but i'm not so sure it's that unrepresentative. Tons of committed couples go to gay bars. In fact here, the estimate is the local 'gay bar' has become about 50% hetero couples. These aren't exclusively hook up places like they used to be. I mean, if you went to a redneck bar, sports bar, or any other bar are 50% of the non-singles there in an 'open' relationship? I certainly doubt it.

Also, what is wrong with using a gay magazine or cafe or community health building to find participants? How does that skew the data towards open relationships?

Does this study reflect on gay couples in iowa? Probably not, but there probably aren't so many long-term gay couples in iowa. This study used the resources they had

 

[wolfsgirl]

That was the minimum to participate yes, but your article glosses over the fact the median of the actual relationships was 4 years. That's quite a commitment, legal contract or no. Even 3 months is firmly in the "more than friends" category. How many unmarried hetero couples who are together 4 years will agree to have other partners? I didn't even look for a comparison study, because i'm quite sure it's less than 50%

Your complaint about the places of seeking participants is valid, but i'm not so sure it's that unrepresentative. Tons of committed couples go to gay bars. In fact here, the estimate is the local 'gay bar' has become about 50% hetero couples. These aren't exclusively hook up places like they used to be. I mean, if you went to a redneck bar, sports bar, or any other bar are 50% of the non-singles there in an 'open' relationship? I certainly doubt it.

Also, what is wrong with using a gay magazine or cafe or community health building to find participants? How does that skew the data towards open relationships?

Does this study reflect on gay couples in iowa? Probably not, but there probably aren't so many long-term gay couples in iowa. This study used the resources they had

Yes, they did use what they had, but younger people living in cities lives do not reflect the lives of older rural people. It would be like doing a study of people living in Manhattan and saying that the results reflect the population in general.

Just going by my circle of friends. All are either in monogamous relationships (lots of weddings in the next few months) or young and dating around. That is the same for my heterosexual friends and my homosexual friends. Heck, when I was younger I was out club hopping, and dating. Now I am settled and in a monogamous relationship.

 

[Orcka]

Trolls will be trolls.........

 

[JC Callender]

I've been on dozens of Pride marches (first one 1982) and although there has been an increase in the degree of 'flaunting' as time has gone by, I look upon that as a positive thing. On my first Pride a couple of guys were arrested for wearing jockstraps with bottomless chaps over them. Charged with public indecency. It became a bit of a cause celebre and they were acquitted.

I'm with Sangha, people oppressed for their sexuality will celebrate their hard-fought freedom by displaying that sexuality.

Don't want to see it? Don't go to watch the parade.

Great advice! It looks like there are several pride events coming up in Michigan alone so people that don't want to see lewd acts will simply have to avoid all of these including sporting events, even a Lions game! It'll be difficult to keep track of all of these events though so heads up, you and your family will probably come across at least one or two penises or a hairy ass or something whether you like it or not. It's okay though, according to DP the vast majority of the gay population doesn't see any problem with it.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Great advice! It looks like there are several pride events coming up in Michigan alone so people that don't want to see lewd acts will simply have to avoid all of these including sporting events, even a Lions game! It'll be difficult to keep track of all of these events though so heads up, you and your family will probably come across at least one or two penises or a hairy ass or something whether you like it or not. It's okay though, according to DP the vast majority of the gay population doesn't see any problem with it.

except the fact remains, as has been pointed out to you, that lewd behavior at these said events is rare. So your hyperbolic ranting is nothing more that hot air.

You entire premise is based off of a google search of a gay pride parades - you have already admitted that you never been to one. People who have been to one have informed you that your perception of the said event is skewed. Let's be honest here you are more likely to see a straight man running nude across a sports field and a sports event in front of children and national television than you are going to see a homosexual in assless chaps.

:coffeepap Keep trying to peddle your lie buddy.