The fight is not over yet. That was round 1. Now it's up to the Dems to do what they promised. Open government and we'll negotiate. Now the ball is in the Dems court. What are they going to do? Sit on their ass and continue to say NO. Or cut a deal all can live with which includes a complete package with barriers.
It will be an interesting 3 weeks. And if a deal is made, then Trump wins. There has not been a complete immigration bill for decades. Trump is forcing a sit down of congress to make a deal, of which no president has been able to do in the past. So we'll see.
Wow. You guys really think you're going to get your wall, don't you?
I never wanted a wall.
I want what we have in my town, San Diego, but you already knew this IF you were being honest.
You can run along now...
:2wave:
Simple question did Trump cave on the shutdown?
Simple question did Trump cave on the shutdown?
Some of the anti-Trumpers who liked your post must think he is Catholic.
Too funny.
Why do you think he did NOT cave?
Yes and no. He should have never done it in the first place because it was a fight he couldn't even win before Democrats took over the House so it was obvious that he wasn't going to ever win this one either. Pelosi called his bluff but now Trump has called hers. She demanded that the government be reopened first and then they could negotiate border security. So, he has called her bluff and now it is up to Democrats to prove they were actually serious about negotiating.
I just showed you the most recent poll, Democrats and half of independents don't want the wall. Republicans and half of independents do want the wall. Half wanting it and half not wanting it doesn't mean or can be translated into all Americans not wanting it.
One more time, 83% of republicans along with 39% of independents want the wall. 84% of Democrats along with 40% of independents oppose the wall, they don't want it. Question 5
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/183c0vbnai/econTabReport.pdf
That is a fairly even split. There is no ALL.
Yes and no. He should have never done it in the first place because it was a fight he couldn't even win before Democrats took over the House so it was obvious that he wasn't going to ever win this one either. Pelosi called his bluff but now Trump has called hers. She demanded that the government be reopened first and then they could negotiate border security. So, he has called her bluff and now it is up to Democrats to prove they were actually serious about negotiating.
Simple question did Trump cave on the shutdown?
After seeing that...
a)Trump lost the public debate on the wall,
b)Independents overwhelming blamed Trump and Senate Republicans for the shutdown,
c)Trump caved and is likely to cave again, and
d)the Republican Senate line was in the process of cracking.
...what motivation would Democrats have to put a wall in the next spending bill? Make sure that your answer takes the above four points into consideration.
I said this is round 1. The Dems said open the government and we'll negotiate. OK what does that mean. The Dems sit on their ass and just say NO because they hate Trump over county. Or are they going to negotiate in good faith which will be something for everyone including a wall? So which is it. The ball is in your court. My view after all the yelling by the Dems to open government and we'll negotiate, and they don't come up with a bill that Trump will sign that will be a huge loser for you. The Dems will lose by public opinion, as being obstructionist. It boils down to the Dems giving money for the wall and cutting a deal or standing your ground and no money for the wall that kills any deal. Its either or.
You claim there is no motivation for the Dems to put in money for a wall. I totally disagree. Their motivation is to show this country they can work out their differences. If you stand your ground and no money period for a wall, you will lose by taking that position. If you think there is no motivation to make a deal with Trump, and you standfast, good luck with that.
Rip
the wall is dead
Your reply did not take into account the four facts I listed. Here they are again:
a)Trump lost the public debate on the wall,
b)Independents overwhelming blamed Trump and Senate Republicans for the shutdown,
c)Trump caved and is likely to cave again, and
d)the Republican Senate line was in the process of cracking.
Can't help you, I gave you my opinion, if that is not good enough. See Yah :2wave:
Simple question did Trump cave on the shutdown?
Your opinion certainly wasn't good on any level since it wasn't based on any real world facts.
Limiting it to three weeks does give him some leverage if the others don't give some ground. Another shutdown would be a lot more grey area on blame.
Yes, he caved, he had to. Single digit approval was in his future. Let's see how the war plays out since he surrendered the battle.
Christ, can you even think? Opinions are just that, Opinions. Not facts
Please bone up.
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Definition of opinion
1a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
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b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM
I have no great opinion of his work.
2a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
a person of rigid opinions
b : a generally held view
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3a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert
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b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
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Opinions can be stupid, and here's an example:
"I don't like Orange is the New Black because the space battles were poorly executed."
That opinion is stupid because, as you may have already observed, there are no space battles in Orange is the New Black. That was exactly the way in which your post was stupid, because your opinion was not based on the real world facts in question.
Give it up. You libs make fools of yourself. I will agree Opinions coming from liberals are STUPID. Example you libs give out all this Bull**** there is a truck load of evidence Russia colluded with Trump to win the election. And the reason it's so stupid is because your opinion was not based on the real world facts in question.
Have a good time playing in your sandbox
No, he made the right call for the good of the nation
Thread title: "Did Trump cave on the shutdown?"
So not only are you posting stupid opinions not based in reality, but you also appear to not know which thread you're in.
Stop screwing around. The majority of Americans do not want a wall. Every poll shows this.
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