Did they abandon democracy in the name of winning.

[j brown's body]

I'm not a neo-leftist democrat. I don't evaluate political candidates based on their skin color. And neither should you.

Dont kid yourself. You think a convicted black candidate who once bragged about grabbing ***** could get elected?

 

[Big Brother]

I’m not sure about that, but they didn’t go public about it yet.



They may have tricked the republicant electorate into thinking that even Trump could beat (the then cognitively declined) Joe “Where am I?” Biden who insisted that only he could unify the country and beat Trump, so why would the republicant electorate even consider (worry about?) a (very clever?) last minute switch out of Biden?

I'm not so sure Trump or any other GOP candidate has to worry about any switch ups in the democratic party. The people didn't like Biden, or Harris, or Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer or any of the other top politicians because of what they did over the last 3.5 years. It's not that Biden or Harris are unpopular, the entire party is unpopular. People are sick of the Identity Politics BS, CRT, drag queen strip shows in elementary schools, the transgender fixation, the FBI targeting soccer moms for being domestic terrorists, the unhinged use of the entire political system to attack a political candidate, the 24/7/365 hate on the MSM, the extreme behavior of the far left, and so on. People are saying enough is enough, it's time to get rid of all of them from politics, and from the schools.

 

[Peter]

Like taking frequent naps and calling it a day at 4pm.

Trump spent his entire time in office having "executive time" and you moan about Biden not doing press stuff?

 

[j brown's body]

Nothing wrong with that, Congress nor the Presidency was meant to be a profession.

It was meant to be civic duty, and for you to return to your real job.

We don't need these people legislating w=how much water is allowed in out toilets or what we can and can't put in or on our own bodies.

This whole idea of an all powerful Federal Government didn't take hold until after 1913, and some of us know the reasons for that and some of us don't.

Nothing is more annoying to free people than the nanny State, thinking it can legislate common since.

Don't drink too much.

Don't party so hard you can't work the next day.

Save for retirement.

When banks and businesses fail because of their own flawed behavior, tell them to go fly a kite when they ask the public for a bailout.

The list goes on and on, seems the only thing they don't want to legislate is any ends to their own power.

There is however an end to their own power, all empires die the same way, they borrow too much and can't pay it back on time.

Indeed. Republicans look to monitoring the menstrual cycles of American women.

 

[nvflash]

Odd how dyed in the wool MAGA/Rabid Right posters want to tell the democrats how to run their primary. Can you name those who ran against Biden in the primaries??? Have any of them stepped up and demanded a new primary run with only 100 days till the election??? I'm sure Faux Noise and other CONservative news outlets would have them plastered all over their rant sites 24/7....

The delegates are free to vote for whomever, if the rank-and-file registered democrats didn't want Kamala, again they have plenty of 'noise' outlets to vent their frustration. What must chap MAGA butts is the lack of a never Kamala wing of the party to match the never tRump multitude the GOP has and are willing to speak up in front of the American voters....

Broad spread Party unity and enthusiasm without people fleeing the party or pushing alternate candidates (who with amazing flip flopping go from calling tRump the con man he is to kissing his ring or becoming his VP pick. Must really rankle the MAGA cankles....

Congratulations, I've never read such an incoherent pile of word puke.

 

[j brown's body]

I'm not so sure Trump or any other GOP candidate has to worry about any switch ups in the democratic party. The people didn't like Biden, or Harris, or Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer or any of the other top politicians because of what they did over the last 3.5 years. It's not that Biden or Harris are unpopular, the entire party is unpopular. People are sick of the Identity Politics BS, CRT, drag queen strip shows in elementary schools, the transgender fixation, the FBI targeting soccer moms for being domestic terrorists, the unhinged use of the entire political system to attack a political candidate, the 24/7/365 hate on the MSM, the extreme behavior of the far left, and so on. People are saying enough is enough, it's time to get rid of all of them from politics, and from the schools.

Drag queen strip shows at elementary schools? Lol!

 

[nvflash]

Indeed. Republicans look to monitoring the menstrual cycles of American women.

But what about the menstrual cycles of American men?

Don't they deserve equal time.

 

[j brown's body]

But what about the menstrual cycles of American men?

Don't they deserve equal time.

They're banning their elementary school drag strip shows.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

This guy has his finger on a button that could end all known life in the Universe.

LOL no he doesnt. There is no such button.

Your post started off REALLY dumb.....but then it just keeps getting dumber.

Good luck with that.

 

[poppopfox]

Congratulations, I've never read such an incoherent pile of word puke.

Rules 11-15 describe exactly what one can expect when confronting a troll:
11. All your carefully picked arguments can easily be ignored.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Congratulations, I've never read such an incoherent pile of word puke.

You had to expect plenty of “But Trump…” deflections. The obvious problem facing demorat donors was Joe “Where am I?” Biden, not Trump.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

There was an old saying during Vietnam, that in order to save a village, first it must be destroyed. That seems to apply to the democrats this year. In order to save democracy, first they must destroy it.

Every. Accusation.

 

[jpevans]

Joe was forced out.

Joe was convinced to drop out of campaigning. No one had the power to force him out.

The party would have been in full disarray if an open primary was held, so one was not held.

An open primary was on the table. Democrats spontaneously united behind VP Harris.

Do you really think no one else in the Democratic Party wants to be President in 2025?

Sure, but not in the timeframe left. It is tradition not to oppose the incumbent. Then things changed & they decided that backing Kamala was the best way to beat the Drumpf & save democracy.

The word went out, no party funds, and no party support for anyone who openly challenges Harris.

Why do I think you made that shit up?
Maybe because That memo must have gone out to thousands of D’s & didn’t get leaked.

That's just the way parties roll sometimes, but let's not pretend it's other than it is.

 

[Big Brother]

No body in either party is really telling the American people the truth, they are all playing on fears and primal instincts.

Last person to level with the American people got not one electoral vote in the general election.

People will believe what they want to believe. Both parties rely on it.

We can have our cake and eat it too, just put it all on the nation's credit and the good times will roll on and on forever because the bills never come due for the land of the free.

How dare you tell the truth on a political forum! Politics has always been about who can lie better to the people and then come up with the best excuses for their inability to get shit done for the common people, yet they easily and quickly perform miracles for the Big Donors. The democrats have mastered this in the last 20 years and brought it to a whole new level. Trump at least tried to do stuff for the people but the establishment blocked him at every opportunity, unless it also benefited their favored Big Donors too. What a shitshow.

 

[nvflash]

LOL no he doesnt. There is no such button.

Your post started off REALLY dumb.....but then it just keeps getting dumber.

Good luck with that.

Five pages of luck and counting, even some actual thought here.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You had to expect plenty of “But Trump…”

Well yeah trump is the absolute biggest turd we've ever had in this particular bowl so it does stand to reason that will be mentioned every time someone attempts to cast lovable old Grandpa Biden as "abandoning democracy" LMMFAO. Duh!

The obvious problem facing demorat donors was Joe “Where am I?” Biden, not Trump.

Key word there being "was". LOL. But now the problems are all Crooked donnie "Oooops,, I Just Crapped My Pants Again" trumps.

Tell us: how does that make you feel? Are ya sad?

 

[Bodecea]

It only appears that way because the Democrats are not willing to publicly acknowledge what has become obvious to those of us with open eyes and hears: Joe Biden's cognitive decline has rendered him unfit to run and unfit to serve. They had no other choice.

Smart enough to checkmate the rapey con-man.

 

[Bodecea]

I know how they are chosen, and Joe Biden was chosen. The electors are bond to him, with him dropping out party rules say they are free to vote for anyone they like.

Just seems a little odd that anyone they like is not on the menu. Seems the party has only one choice on the menu.

Are we going to sit here and predend that the person who could not get out of the Iowa caucuses on her own last time around is the most democratic choice?

Does anyone honestly believe that Harris would be the nominee if a vote of the party was taken?

This isn't 2020.

 

[Big Brother]

You had to expect plenty of “But Trump…” deflections. The obvious problem facing demorat donors was Joe “Where am I?” Biden, not Trump.

Just remember everyone, every time the neo-leftists say But Trump! it really means they have no answer and your point against the democrats was completely valid. They're basically saying "Yeah... our party really sucks, but yours is worse!" To be fair, the GOP has its problems to resolve, but it is nowhere as bad as what the democratic party has become. Carry on.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm not so sure Trump or any other GOP candidate has to worry about any switch ups in the democratic party. The people didn't like Biden, or Harris, or Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer or any of the other top politicians because of what they did over the last 3.5 years. It's not that Biden or Harris are unpopular, the entire party is unpopular. People are sick of the Identity Politics BS, CRT, drag queen strip shows in elementary schools, the transgender fixation, the FBI targeting soccer moms for being domestic terrorists, the unhinged use of the entire political system to attack a political candidate, the 24/7/365 hate on the MSM, the extreme behavior of the far left, and so on. People are saying enough is enough, it's time to get rid of all of them from politics, and from the schools.

 

[nvflash]

How dare you tell the truth on a political forum! Politics has always been about who can lie better to the people and then come up with the best excuses for their inability to get shit done for the common people, yet they easily and quickly perform miracles for the Big Donors. The democrats have mastered this in the last 20 years and brought it to a whole new level. Trump at least tried to do stuff for the people but the establishment blocked him at every opportunity, unless it also benefited their favored Big Donors too. What a shitshow.

Were that it was only limited to one party.

Once upon a time Republicans and Democrats balanced the budget. W. and his men then sold the myth that debts and deficits don't matter, and Democrats were against that, until the actually had the power of the purse again.

Now it is a commonly excepted lie.

The USSR built an empire based on lies too, wonder whatever happened there.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Smart enough to checkmate the rapey con-man.

Without the (wasted?) expense of having a competitive DNC POTUS primary.

 

[j brown's body]

Just remember everyone, every time the neo-leftists say But Trump! it really means they have no answer and your point against the democrats was completely valid. They're basically saying "Yeah... our party really sucks, but yours is worse!" To be fair, the GOP has its problems to resolve, but it is nowhere as bad as what the democratic party has become. Carry on.

Cant really blame the Dems for harping on the basis of Republican policy, Project 2025, which even the Republicans run from.

 

[quip]

You know I find it a little funny that the party that has been running around telling everyone that if Trump is elected again it will be the end of democracy seems to be the party that has abandoned the fundamental principles of democracy.

Throughout the Democratic Party's primary processes Joe Biden was selected by votes of the people in the several states to be the candidate at the top of the ticket for his party.

Thus is the democratic process, but now that Biden has been forced to withdraw, no primaries will take place and no challengers will be accepted.

This in no way reflects the will of the people, it is the will of the elites in the Democratic Party because they value winning the general election above the fundamental principles of democracy.

Biden's forced withdraw did put things into a tough position, and I will agree that it's just not feasible to redo all the state primaries, but there certainly is plenty of time to hold an open primary going into the convention. Allow challengers to declare and be heard, but somehow none are stepping forward?


I find this all very undemocratic, and I would like to remind people that principles only have meaning when standing up for them costs you something. If you adhere to a principle, you don't just toss it out because it no longer serves your interests.

So what say you, have the Democrats tossed democracy under the bus in the name of winning?

Is winning the the general election more important than the democratic process?

If Biden were to die or become incapacitated to the point of inability to perform his presidential duties, who would've been in line to succeed him?
Was there not a partisan claim of unfitness for Biden?

Where's the basis for your argument?

 

[jpevans]

You had to expect plenty of “But Trump…” deflections. The obvious problem facing demorat donors was Joe “Where am I?” Biden, not Trump.

Sure as hell is the Drumpf now. The poor guy can’t even think of a nickname for VP Harris being bound by his limited vocabulary & the volume of grade school nicknames he’s already handed out. How many have been raged with “lyin’” so & so? The humorless Convict can’t go forward until he’s got a name for her. Meanwhile she is steamrolling all up & down his ample ass. The oldest all time presidential nominee is taking flights of fancy, meaningless romps through E-boat design & DC battery conductivity under water & sharks & fictional serial killers & whatnot when he falls off the teleprompter. Y’all got your work cut out for you. We won’t mention JD What’s his name…