Did they abandon democracy in the name of winning.

[Lovebug]

Irony, it is thick.

 

[nvflash]

I think it's all about the cash flow. Joe Biden caused a crash in cash flow and that is the most important thing for the DNC. His eventual loss would have meant reduced cash flow for a long time. By using Harris and playing the race and gender cards, they can eventually say her loss was because of the racist sexist people instead of the incompetent candidate and their cash flow will continue just fine as they continue to milk the race and gender BS to its maximum. I'm willing to bet that if the democrats would stop using these two issues just to get votes and keep the people divided, they would most likely just go away as people could go back to just being Americans. Ditto for all the other Identity Politics issues. It is the democrats who have severed the unity of the people with all this Identity Politics BS.

Yes, their is a whole economy around milking donations and running for office that is served no matter who wins or loses.

 

[Big Brother]

I think going after Biden for real could easily create a public backlash. Biden is now a pitiable figure.

Besides, I think Republicans are actually powerless in this regard. Impeachment is a process for removing a president for bad behavior, not for incapacity to serve. The correct process for that is the 25th Amendment, and that process has to start with the VP and the cabinet. I think you'll hear the Republicans continue to bring up the 25th, but that's really just to keep in the news the fact that Democrats lied about Biden's condition.

It would be a big mistake to impeach Biden now as Harris becomes POTUS. Also, I hope I don't have to remind the GOP, all this extreme nasty politics was born when the GOP impeached Clinton. In retrospect, the Clintons weren't to be messed with and the GOP brought a vengeance on themselves I hope they never forget. That is why Trump refused to go after Clinton in 2017, despite all the nefarious shit she did.

 

[j brown's body]

Irony, it is thick.

Their side's embracing of a corrupt demagogue is exactly why the founders, not to mention the ancient Greeks themselves, were suspicious of democracy.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Its only the Democrats if you don't consider being white an identity. And I get it, most whites just think of themselves as the default mode.

The Republicans wouldn't dare put a person of color on the ticket.

That’s an interesting theory. Was Biden chosen, during the 2020 DNC POTUS primary, over Harris based on his being white or was he (and others running) deemed to have been better qualified?

 

[hecatmoggie]

it very much appears that all along it was Biden bowing out, naming Kamala and the will of the people circumvented

c'mon, everyone knew Joe was incapable mentally and physically - we all knew it. If he'd bowed out earlier, there would have been primaries and maybe Kamala wasn't chosen. She sure wasn't wanted as President 4 years ago. She has no qualifications really because in 4 years she was given one task - border - and failed horribly. A half Indian, quarter white, quarter Jamaican with a heritage of slavery on her paternal side running as the first black woman .... really ?

so plan it a few weeks before convention, allow the snowball to gain steam behind Kamala so the Party has no choice but to anoint her .... Obama? He wasn't going to endorse until they met and promises were made, that's for sure.

the primaries were a joke, they were never going to matter .......... Democrats, the party of Democratic destructions. tear down voting, Democracy, the Supreme Court .... good 'ol Democrats

 

[nvflash]

He doesn't need to.
He isn't in the running and has better things to do as President.

Perhaps you are unaware, but here I n the US the President can hardly move without tripping over a member of the free press with a camera in his hand.

This is going to go so wrong long before Jan 20th 2025.

On some level Democrats have to know this, I fully expect after the DNC coronation of their DEI Queen whatever deal Joe thought he had to stay in office to the end of his term will evaporate.

 

[LouC]

The Poll is worthless.

 

[jpevans]

It only appears that way because the Democrats are not willing to publicly acknowledge what has become obvious to those of us with open eyes and hears: Joe Biden's cognitive decline has rendered him unfit to run and unfit to serve. They had no other choice.

Other: Joe dropped out from the riggers off campaigning based on a bad day & the panic it inspired in his own party. He will continue to preform the duties of president.
Joe endorsed his VP for President. Which started a landslide of endorsements. She racked up endorsement from delegates until she had enough for the nomination. What was surprising is that no Democrats came forward to campaign for the job. There is still time as she hasn’t been officially made the nominee, which will happen on 8/7.
This has been reported from the start, how does the right miss it?

 

[Lovebug]

Yes, their is a whole economy around milking donations and running for office that is served no matter who wins or loses.

Have they started selling Bibles a sneakers yet?

 

[Cardinal]

Until this past week, I actually had no idea just how dependent the conservative path to victory was on Biden being the opponent. It’s been an entire week and they still can’t come up with anything against Harris past “She’s a n***** whore!”

 

[j brown's body]

That’s an interesting theory. Was Biden chosen, during the 2020 DNC POTUS primary, over Harris based on his being white or was he (and others running) deemed to have been better qualified?

Probably because he had the most experience.

Meanwhile, the GOP picked a corrupt demagogue over a South Asian woman who can speak lucidity and polled better against the Democrstic opponent.

 

[nvflash]

Other: Joe dropped out from the riggers off campaigning based on a bad day & the panic it inspired in his own party. He will continue to preform the duties of president.
Joe endorsed his VP for President. Which started a landslide of endorsements. She racked up endorsement from delegates until she had enough for the nomination. What was surprising is that no Democrats came forward to campaign for the job. There is still time as she hasn’t been officially made the nominee, which will happen on 8/7.
This has been reported from the start, how does the right miss it?

Joe was forced out.

The party would have been in full disarray if an open primary was held, so one was not held.

Do you really think no one else in the Democratic Party wants to be President in 2025?


The word went out, no party funds, and no party support for anyone who openly challenges Harris.

That's just the way parties roll sometimes, but let's not pretend it's other than it is.

 

[beefheart]

You know I find it a little funny that the party that has been running around telling everyone that if Trump is elected again it will be the end of democracy seems to be the party that has abandoned the fundamental principles of democracy.

Throughout the Democratic Party's primary processes Joe Biden was selected by votes of the people in the several states to be the candidate at the top of the ticket for his party.

Thus is the democratic process, but now that Biden has been forced to withdraw, no primaries will take place and no challengers will be accepted.

This in no way reflects the will of the people, it is the will of the elites in the Democratic Party because they value winning the general election above the fundamental principles of democracy.

Biden's forced withdraw did put things into a tough position, and I will agree that it's just not feasible to redo all the state primaries, but there certainly is plenty of time to hold an open primary going into the convention. Allow challengers to declare and be heard, but somehow none are stepping forward?


I find this all very undemocratic, and I would like to remind people that principles only have meaning when standing up for them costs you something. If you adhere to a principle, you don't just toss it out because it no longer serves your interests.

So what say you, have the Democrats tossed democracy under the bus in the name of winning?

Is winning the the general election more important than the democratic process?

What a sad and belabored word salad of bullshit.

Go back to making racial jokes.

 

[Big Brother]

That’s an interesting theory. Was Biden chosen, during the 2020 DNC POTUS primary, over Harris based on his being white or was he (and others running) deemed to have been better qualified?

My theory was that Biden was chosen because he was sure to go along with the establishment's wish to push the Ukraine issue over Russia's breaking point. Trump refused to go along and paid for it dearly. Joe Biden was the most morally corrupt politician they could find to get their proxy war and hopefully ignite WWIII. Harris was chosen because she was the second most morally corrupt and would go along with the proxy war as well.

 

[LouC]

Did they abandon democracy in the name of winning.​

We are not a "democracy" as Right Wing folk keep lambasting us about here in DP and elsewhere.

So, us Democrats are totally incapable of doing that whole "abandon" thing.

Also, President Joe Biden selected his successor to the Presidency, Sen. Kamala Harris, when he invited her to be his running mate in the 2020 Campaign. That is how we do it here in America, nothing to do with anyone being a "dictator", that is dumb thinking.

Further, when President Joe Biden decided to drop out of the race he was freely allowed by our laws to ENDORSE anyone he wanted. That is what he did. That was the most he could do. It was up to others to move VP Harris to the forefront of the Campaign on the Democrat side.

Winning is the only thing to both parties. That is not a negative. That is no problem at all.

Each Party can influence selections.

Any Party that puts Party Leadership above the will of the members risks destruction.

Luckily that hasn't happened with the Democrat Party this time out.

 

[j brown's body]

My theory was that Biden was chosen because he was sure to go along with the establishment's wish to push the Ukraine issue over Russia's breaking point. Trump refused to go along and paid for it dearly. Joe Biden was the most morally corrupt politician they could find to get their proxy war and hopefully ignite WWIII. Harris was chosen because she was the second most morally corrupt and would go along with the proxy war as well.

You don't think Trump is morally corrupt? Seriously?

 

[j brown's body]

Joe was forced out.

The party would have been in full disarray if an open primary was held, so one was not held.

Do you really think no one else in the Democratic Party wants to be President in 2025?


The word went out, no party funds, and no party support for anyone who openly challenges Harris.

That's just the way parties roll sometimes, but let's not pretend it's other than it is.

Indeed. Why choose disarray?

 

[nvflash]

Until this past week, I actually had no idea just how dependent the conservative path to victory was on Biden being the opponent. It’s been an entire week and they still can’t come up with anything against Harris past “She’s a n***** whore!”

It's that Biden was already beat, the game was over as far as the Republicans saw it. They did not want him to step aside.

Things take time to gain traction, ideas are floated on how to discredit people, some take hold and get repeated, and some do not.

Expect a full on assault on Harris to form from the Right as soon as they can gain some talking points.

99 days is a long time not to screwup in front of a camera. Harris is in witness protection until she is forced to make a speech and pick a VP at the DNC.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Joe was forced out.

The party would have been in full disarray if an open primary was held, so one was not held.

Do you really think no one else in the Democratic Party wants to be President in 2025?


The word went out, no party funds, and no party support for anyone who openly challenges Harris.

That's just the way parties roll sometimes, but let's not pretend it's other than it is.

We have never seen a party rally around a convicted felon, sexual assaulter, financial fraudster like we have the republican party. They've lost all credibility.

They complain about Ms. Harris because they know she can easily beat their criminal. No other reason.

 

[NatMorton]

There’s the possibility that the donor class felt that if they had a stronger, younger DNC POTUS candidate, before the RNC POTUS primary race, that the republicants would have chosen a stronger (more appealing to ‘independents’) ticket than Trump/Vance.

Yes, but the donor class didn't panic until June's debate. So either they were in on the ruse that Biden was fit for office or they had been buying the DNC's spin.

 

[NatMorton]

I think there is a lot of that going around to be sure and it's not just confined to the Democratic Party.

Anyway, the word democracy exists zero times in The Constitution for the Untied States of America.

We don't have a Democracy, we have a Republic, and the states are granted a republican form of government.

Now a Republic assumes some form of democratic vote, but it does not grantee a popular vote.


While many in the Democratic Party claim to want a popular vote for just about everything, they only want that when they feel they will win that vote.

Would anyone like to ask Great Britain how that Brexit popular vote is turning out?

Anyway, what the Democratic Party is doing is underhanded, but not illegal. They are only bound by their party rules until after the DNC, and while they may be acting in a very undemocratic way, they are still fallowing their party rules.

Let's just not pretend either party truly wants Democracy, truth is the parties hate that, but they must live with the limited form we have every few years, lest their heads get served up like Joe Biden's.

A republic is a form of democracy.

 

[Helix]

Republicans did.

 

[NatMorton]

He doesn't need to.
He isn't in the running and has better things to do as President.

Like taking frequent naps and calling it a day at 4pm.

 

[The AntiDonald]

It's that Biden was already beat, the game was over as far as the Republicans saw it. They did not want him to step aside.

Things take time to gain traction, ideas are floated on how to discredit people, some take hold and get repeated, and some do not.

Expect a full on assault on Harris to form from the Right as soon as they can gain some talking points.

99 days is a long time not to screwup in front of a camera. Harris is in witness protection until she is forced to make a speech and pick a VP at the DNC.

I think you grossly underestimate this woman. The party is behind her 110%. This will help fuel her talking points and performance.

And we're not going anywhere.