The virus has killed very few people in nursing homes and assisted living and similar in my area. If you're suggesting those populations are not susceptible to getting a bad case and dying even today, then you should rethink your position, and I hope you don't have any authority anywhere over such matters, because it's a really ignorant position. That's for starters.
We also know that only a small percentage of people in most states have been exposed and 'infected.' Less than 10%. Lots more are like me and my friends who have been good social distancing for months, and likely simply haven't been exposed, yet. Anyone who believes that if they made it this far and aren't dead or have gotten sick, that they're in the clear, is quite frankly IMO a moron.
You keep making really stupid arguments, 100% of the population in NJ has not been exposed to the virus. If you think it has, provide supporting documents.This tells me the virus petered out in New Jersey because there aren't enough hosts left
I have asked you and others for scientific evidence and I get more dancing and prancing than Dancing with the Stars with someone slapping up lad wonk studies of how far water molecules can travel through a Tshirt and that's about it.
I don't think any of you know what it takes to have a scientific consensus and it is not using cloth and water.
bump...You keep making really stupid arguments, 100% of the population in NJ has not been exposed to the virus. If you think it has, provide supporting documents.
bump4...You know that how? What tests have you made? How does the virus travel? Who does it infect? What is the result of someone standing ten feet away where the other has a mask and so do you and you both get infected anyway? You nor the doctors know nothing about this. It is all guessing and speculation. It is allegory and story.
The truth is the states mentioned are densely populated and no amount of mask wearing meant diddly because thousands died AFTER any mask mandate, which came really early in those states. they have been wearing masks for months but some here have the nerve to say it was just weeks ago they started wearing masks and social distancing and THAT is why their death rate dropped. That is complete bull**** and everyone knows it.
The virus has done its thing in those areas....no more people to kill because the ones left won't get it if someone spit COVID in their face. You go ahead and ask the docs why some get it and some don't and report back to me.
You keep making really stupid arguments, 100% of the population in NJ has not been exposed to the virus. If you think it has, provide supporting documents.This tells me the virus petered out in New Jersey because there aren't enough hosts left
You know that how? What tests have you made? How does the virus travel? Who does it infect? What is the result of someone standing ten feet away where the other has a mask and so do you and you both get infected anyway? You nor the doctors know nothing about this. It is all guessing and speculation. It is allegory and story.
The truth is the states mentioned are densely populated and no amount of mask wearing meant diddly because thousands died AFTER any mask mandate, which came really early in those states. they have been wearing masks for months but some here have the nerve to say it was just weeks ago they started wearing masks and social distancing and THAT is why their death rate dropped. That is complete bull**** and everyone knows it.
The virus has done its thing in those areas....no more people to kill because the ones left won't get it if someone spit COVID in their face. You go ahead and ask the docs why some get it and some don't and report back to me.
Really now? They just started wearing masks last week in those four states? Whooda thunk? People dying right and left, Fauci saying wearing masks and all four of those stats just started.
May I see photos of maskless people in NYC like I saw in Sweden FOUR months ago?
The stuff you guys just make up is astounding.
I would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left. As we know, there are 4 states on the east coast who had a tremendously high death rate, and this in spite of wearing masks and social distancing. At the same time other states had drastically lower death rates. We saw an uptick in those states in the past few weeks or so. I have heard no reports that the states experiencing an uptick now are NOT wearing masks in public.
More Than 20 U.S. States Now Require Face Masks In Public : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR
The states I put in bold letters were the subject of my OP because they border each other and have the highest death rate per million, by far. YET.....they are now having the lowest percentage of NEW deaths of all. The states that previously had low death rates per million are now having much higher death rates even though each of those states require masks (as per the above link) just like the four states of New York, New Hersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts which have death rates of between 3 and 5 times higher.
So, something is going on and no one wants to talk about it. They can't use the mask excuse because masks are mandated and people are wearing them.
I submit my opinion for discussion and feedback. I think that there are millions of people who just don't catch the virus no matter what, mask or no mask. i think there are people who could have someone with full blown COVID cough in their face and not get it and millions others who get it and don't even know it or have very mild symptoms. Conversely, I think there are those that are going to get it no matter what, even if they wear the perfect mask and stay 6 feet away from others. I think this is what we had in the heavily hit states that border each other where the virus spread like wildfire after being introduced by Chinese coming from Wuhan and other parts of China and no matter what, the virus was going to do its thing and infect and kill people regardless of a mask or not. this whole mask bit is guess work and conjecture by some lab wonks using machines and not humans and not taking into account that people use aunt Mary's home made special.
So..........in New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Massachusetts that are seeing drastic reductions in death rates, it is because the virus has killed those who would be killed....the elderly and the weak and there really are no more that the virus can kill in those locales because it has done its job.
In the states that are now seeing an uptick, it is because the virus has not yet finished doing its "job" and is infecting and killing people WITH masks, meaning masks are useless and just provide a placebo for the wearers. IOW, in spite of lab tests, this virus goes through these masks and will infect and kill people depending on their age and overall health, no matter what. The numbers bear this out.
I appreciate any thoughts and comments from conservatives.
I said last week? No I didn't.. You're adding liar to being dishonest and clueless?
You are a Trumpster..
I'm not a conservative, but given since COVID-19 hit the US and now, we have seen things posited theories that either did not pan out, or did. One of the things we are seeing that has panned out is that masks AND social distancing are two factors that HAVE worked in either decreasing spread or have kept it from increasing. NOT a panacea as any doctor will say to you, but any real doctor (and not one who talks about having dream sex with demons causes medical problems). We are seeing it in states that don't follow these guidelines and we see it in areas that have relaxed the rules to varying degrees. Each state runs stats on this, so we can see the math and science at work here.
And speaking of science; viruses don't really work the way you presented. They don't just kill and go away, they keep on replicating until a cure is found that can kill it, or a vaccine that over the course of years, could, eventually wear the disease down to the point where it almost does't exist anymore. We've had viruses go dormant then come back. So, to say ti will go away is kind of wishful thinking.
Some of us actually listen to experts. A few even look at the evidence.You know that how?
It travels in respiratory droplets. We've know that for a few months now.How does the virus travel?
It can infect almost anyone. If there is any sort of genetic component which makes individuals more or less susceptible to infection, then we haven't found it.Who does it infect?
Egads.What is the result of someone standing ten feet away where the other has a mask and so do you and you both get infected anyway?
Incorrect.The truth is the states mentioned are densely populated and no amount of mask wearing meant diddly because thousands died AFTER any mask mandate....
Nope, nope, nope. That is total unscientific nonsense.The virus has done its thing in those areas....no more people to kill because the ones left won't get it if someone spit COVID in their face.
The virus has killed very few people in nursing homes and assisted living and similar in my area. If you're suggesting those populations are not susceptible to getting a bad case and dying even today, then you should rethink your position, and I hope you don't have any authority anywhere over such matters, because it's a really ignorant position. That's for starters.
We also know that only a small percentage of people in most states have been exposed and 'infected.' Less than 10%. Lots more are like me and my friends who have been good social distancing for months, and likely simply haven't been exposed, yet. Anyone who believes that if they made it this far and aren't dead or have gotten sick, that they're in the clear, is quite frankly IMO a moron.
I said I wanted conservatives mainly because this is a serious OP and I need adults in the room.
The four states with the most deaths are:When did the people in the four states with the most deaths start wearing masks and social distancing?
Or, not.Sweden had relatively high death rates and I remember some of you guys saying "I told you so" three or four weeks ago when they had a spike. Now that it is stopped in its tracks in Sweden, your side is silent, scratching your heads....
When are you going to provide any evidence besides your own ideas?
You know nothing and you're determined to explain that to us.
I said last week? No I didn't.. You're adding liar to being dishonest and clueless?
You are a Trumpster..
that chart is meaningless in discussing this OP.
Yeah, we do.You don't know that at all. You are claiming that 90% of the population is still at risk. You have no evidence of that....
Visbek;1072448563]Some of us actually listen to experts. A few even look at the evidence.
It travels in respiratory droplets. We've know that for a few months now.
You don't know this at all. Where is your evidence? I say it's not true. The burden is on you to prove an unsubstantiated CLAIM that you just parroted from someone else.It can infect almost anyone. If there is any sort of genetic component which makes individuals more or less susceptible to infection, then we haven't found it.
Egads.
If you wear a seatbelt, it won't protect you from every possible auto accident. That doesn't change the fact that wearing a seatbelt dramatically improves your chances of survival if you get into an auto accident -- and that seat belt mandates dramatically reduce automobile deaths.
Masks do not provide 100% protection. Not even N95 masks do that. That does not change the fact that wearing a mask -- especially a surgical or N95 mask -- offers substantial protection from infectious diseases.
Masks are also not only about protection the wearer, they protect other people, because it helps prevent infected people -- many of whom don't even know they are contagious -- from spreading the virus.
Universal mask wearing will not single-handedly prevent the spread of the virus. No one claims that. But it can reduce the rate of spread, and every bit of reduction in the replication rate matters.
Here's a good illustration of how it works...
Incorrect.
• New York City is nowhere near herd immunity or the "virus being done." If NY lifted all of its restrictions right now, and everyone went back to work, and NY was somehow able to quarantine everyone who comes into the state, then case rates would still explode in a few weeks.
• Again, you are blatantly ignoring the beneficial effects of social distancing.
• Again, you're ignoring observational evidence that areas with mask mandates and universal masking have lower replication rates than areas without.
The four states with the most deaths are:
New York
New Jersey
California
Texas
NY and NJ started social distancing in mid-March. Case rates fell 2-3 weeks later, and have stayed very low. Restrictions, voluntary social distancing and mask wearing have largely stayed in place since March, with only gradual and limited rollbacks. Even with that, NJ had a small bump recently.
Texas started social distancing maybe a month ago. Case rates started to drop about 3 weeks later, and have a long way to go.
California locked down early, but opened up too fast. It doesn't help that many Californians, especially in the more conservative Central Valley, are not doing a good job distancing or wearing masks.
Or, not.
Sweden turned out as expected. Despite a slow start, the disease hovered at a moderate level for weeks, then started to spread rapidly. People started voluntarily distancing, and the government took more steps to protect senior citizens and more egregious violations of distancing (e.g. bars and restaurants that violated rules). It just didn't require as many government mandates, because Swedes generally listen to their government.
And, of course, we've know for decades that social distancing works, especially with respiratory diseases. But hey, why pay attention to actual science and research, when you can just say whatever you want instead...?
Not at all. You can look at the spikes in comparison to each states' mitigation efforts for a preliminary analysis.
You don't know that at all. You are claiming that 90% of the population is still at risk. You have no evidence of that and should cease and desist in scaring your left wing friends with such a notion. There is much that is not known about this virus, such as why the people in Sweden didn't not wear masks or lock down and now their death rate has plummeted. Get me the reason(s) for that and we can talk further.
As for your rest homes, possibly your state did a much better job that Cuomo did in not moving sick people into those confined sardine cans of germs and viruses. Naturally if a nursing home is quarantined the virus can;t get in. This is what you do with diseases. You quarantine the sick....NOT the whole population which is completely effing asinine. Don't believe me? Ask Sweden.
Yeah, we do.
NY state's total population is 20 million people. The total confirmed cases is around 425k. Even if there are 10 times more cases than the confirmed number, that's only 4.25 million people -- nowhere NEAR enough to develop immunity.
Plus, since you missed it, COVID-19 didn't kill every single person over the age of 65 and every diabetic and every immune compromised person and every cancer patient and cancer survivor in New York State.
And to top it off, we don't know how long people stay immune. If it's only 3-6 months, then herd immunity is not possible without repeated vaccinations.
The idea that "everyone who could get sick, did get sick" is just ludicrous.
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