Dems grow alarmed by lack of fear over Roe’s future

[Luce]

6 weeks is a fictitious timeframe. The law doesn’t say that and there is no heart at 6 weeks.

As of September 1, 2021, abortion is illegal in Texas once a fetal heartbeat can be detected. The Texas Heartbeat Act prohibits abortion when there is a detectable heartbeat, which may be as early as 6 weeks into a woman's pregnancy.[1] Before this, elective abortions were allowed up to 20 weeks post-fertilization.[2] The Texas Heartbeat Act is the strictest abortion law in the United States that is currently in force, though it follows a trend also seen in other states.[3] In addition to measures passed by the Texas Legislature, there have been anti-abortion efforts at the local level, with 30 Texas cities banning abortion.[4]

When it was introduced as Senate Bill 8, abortion providers described it as a de facto ban on abortions, as it covers abortion once "cardiac activity" in the embryo can be detected, which is earlier than most women know that they are pregnant.[5][3] The characterization "de facto" is incorrect, however, because the ban on abortions based on cardiac activity (as opposed to viability) is de jure, and as such expressly outlaws most abortions. The only exception for abortions past six weeks is in response to medical emergencies. The law makes no exception for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, though they may be terminated before fetal heartbeat detection. The law can only be enforced through private lawsuits.

Abortion in Texas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Napoleon]

• Texas' new draconian abortion ban is based on when a fetal heartbeat forms - at six weeks.
• However, a heartbeat isn't present at 6 weeks, doctors say.
• A six-week-old fetus doesn't have a cardiovascular system, the sound of the thumping is from the machine.

The 'fetal heartbeat' that defines Texas' new abortion laws doesn't exist, say doctors

The term is used colloquially to describe the start of a cardiovascular system forming - but it isn't a heartbeat, according to experts

www.businessinsider.com

“6 weeks” doesn’t appear anywhere in the text of the law. It prohibits abortion when a physician can detect a fetal heartbeat. The scaremongers say six weeks because they make oodles on ultrasounds by selling random electrical discharge between embryonic cells as a “heartbeat” to people who don’t know better. Scientifically, there is no heartbeat. There isn’t even a fetus that early.

 

[Spunkylama]

“6 weeks” doesn’t appear anywhere in the text of the law. It prohibits abortion when a physician can detect a fetal heartbeat. The scaremongers say six weeks because they make oodles on ultrasounds by selling random electrical discharge between embryonic cells as a “heartbeat” to people who don’t know better.

Dude it's in the first line of the bill!

86(R) HB 1500 - Texas Legislature Online​

https://capitol.texas.gov › tlodocs › billtext › pdf

PDF

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED. AN ACT relating to prohibiting abortions after detection of an unborn child's heartbeat and to requirements for performing or inducing an.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No

How often does rape happen a year?


Statistics show that 1 in 6 US women will be raped annually in the US. Surveys and rape statistics by gender have found that 1 in 6 American women, and 1 in 33 American men has experienced an attempted/completed rape as a child or adult.

‘It Is Absurdly, Obscenely Common’: Incest Survivors Speak Out​

WTF? If 1 in 6 women is raped annually then either all women are raped within 6 years or some of them were raped more than once during those 6 years.

 

[Spunkylama]

“The heartbeat is the universal sign of life,” said state Sen. Bryan Hughes, R-Mineola, in May about the bill he authored. “If a Texan’s heartbeat is detected, his or her life will be protected.”

The Texas law, which went into effect Wednesday, defines a fetal heartbeat as “a cardiac activity or the steady and repetitive rhythmic contraction of the fetal heart within the gestational sac.”

Dr. Nisha Verma, a physician who provides abortion services and a fellow at the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said the activity measured on an ultrasound in early gestation is electrical impulses, not a true heartbeat.

“When I use the stethoscope to listen to a patient’s heart, that sound that I hear is that typical bum-bum-bum-bum that you hear as the heartbeat is created by the opening and closing of the cardiac valves. And at six weeks of gestation, those valves don’t exist,” Verma said.

Why “heartbeat bill” is a misleading name for Texas’ near-total abortion ban

Medical and reproductive health experts say the reference to a heartbeat is medically inaccurate as an embryo does not have a developed heart at six weeks’ gestation.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Napoleon]

Dude it's in the first line of the bill!

86(R) HB 1500 - Texas Legislature Online​

https://capitol.texas.gov › tlodocs › billtext › pdf

PDF

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED. AN ACT relating to prohibiting abortions after detection of an unborn child's heartbeat and to requirements for performing or inducing an.

Dude. The text of the law doesn’t say six weeks. Read the law. The text of the law requires that a fetal heartbeat be detectable by a physician. There is no heartbeat at week six. There is no fetus at week six.

 

[Irredentist]

We’re almost 8 months into the Texas Heartbeat Act and dire Democrat predictions of rape and incest babies everywhere and hordes of women in the street ripping out their innards with coat hangers haven’t materialized. Perhaps Americans are just realizing that the Democratic Party’s vision of a world without Roe is hyperbolic nonsense.

They already arrested a woman for an alleged self induced abortion. Now, women will be scared to seek medical treatment, for fear that hospital staff will report them to police. Which is exactly what the slime who support these laws want, I suppose.

 

[Spunkylama]

WTF? If 1 in 6 women is raped annually then either all women are raped within 6 years or some of them were raped more than once during those 6 years.

Victims of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.

www.rainn.org

 

[Spunkylama]

Dude. The text of the law doesn’t say six weeks. Read the law. The text of the law requires that a fetal heartbeat be detectable by a physician. There is no heartbeat at week six. There is no fetus at week six.

“We can parse out what the scientific description is, but it’s kind of like using the term unborn child instead of fetus, it’s still the same biological reality. Trying to say, we’re not using the most scientific, accurate terms, just like the unborn child versus fetus debate, that doesn’t change the moral importance of that,” Seago said.

Still, abortion rights groups and women’s health advocates emphasize that the label is intentionally misleading.

“[Texas’ abortion law] is intentionally written that way in order to evoke an emotional response. But what it is in reality is just a ban on abortion at six weeks’ gestation, which is two weeks after a missed period. It’s incredibly unconstitutional,” said Aimee Arrambide, executive director of the statewide abortion rights group Avow Texas.

Similar “heartbeat bills” have been passed in other states but were eventually blocked by federal courts before going into effect. These bills are based on model legislation from Faith2Action Ministries, a Christian anti-abortion organization that defines a fetal heartbeat as a marker of “an unborn human individual.”

 

[Blue Dog]

There is a reason the Republican Party focused it’s energy on the state legislatures and the SC.

Now laws can be passed to allow the SC to overrule ROE.

 

[Spunkylama]

Oklahoma legislature passes 6-week abortion ban similar to Texas law

The Oklahoma legislature gave final approval Thursday to a so-called “heartbeat bill” that seeks to ban most abortions in the state.

abcnews.go.com

NO six week heartbeat listed but they sure are running with it..

 

[OrphanSlug]

Democrats argue that the party needs to act more aggressively ahead of the Supreme Court’s ruling expected this summer on a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

The problem is no one can define what that really is, other than appealing to the public but that in no way translates to Supreme Court decision.

The other issue, the elephant in the room, is Congress is too paralyzed to do something at a legislative level to deal with how these challenges made their way to the Supreme Court over various State level legislation.

Too little too late in my opinion.

 

[Spunkylama]

Ah! Here it is..

@Napoleon

A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after gestation. That's when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen. But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed.Sep 26, 2018

When Can You Hear Baby's Heartbeat? - Healthline​

 

[Napoleon]

“We can parse out what the scientific description is, but it’s kind of like using the term unborn child instead of fetus, it’s still the same biological reality. Trying to say, we’re not using the most scientific, accurate terms, just like the unborn child versus fetus debate, that doesn’t change the moral importance of that,” Seago said.

Still, abortion rights groups and women’s health advocates emphasize that the label is intentionally misleading.

“[Texas’ abortion law] is intentionally written that way in order to evoke an emotional response. But what it is in reality is just a ban on abortion at six weeks’ gestation, which is two weeks after a missed period. It’s incredibly unconstitutional,” said Aimee Arrambide, executive director of the statewide abortion rights group Avow Texas.

Similar “heartbeat bills” have been passed in other states but were eventually blocked by federal courts before going into effect. These bills are based on model legislation from Faith2Action Ministries, a Christian anti-abortion organization that defines a fetal heartbeat as a marker of “an unborn human individual.”

That just isn’t factual. The words in the law are what they are. You can’t substitute the letter of the law in application of that law. The law says “fetal heartbeat.” The embryo doesn’t become a fetus until week 8 let alone develop the cardiac tissues that produce a heartbeat.

If you pay attention to the objections to this law you’ll see two camps. One screaming 6 weeks at the top of their lungs because that’s when they start selling ultrasounds to the parents to listen a “heartbeat” that doesn’t factually exist. What you’re actually listening to is random electrical discharge between embryonic cells. There is no heartbeat.

 

[mrjurrs]

We’re almost 8 months into the Texas Heartbeat Act and dire Democrat predictions of rape and incest babies everywhere and hordes of women in the street ripping out their innards with coat hangers haven’t materialized. Perhaps Americans are just realizing that the Democratic Party’s vision of a world without Roe is hyperbolic nonsense.

Two sources for your claims please.
1-Democrat predictions
2-Actual numbers of unlawful abortions

 

[mrjurrs]

Ah! Here it is..

@Napoleon

A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after gestation. That's when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen. But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed.Sep 26, 2018

When Can You Hear Baby's Heartbeat? - Healthline​

And a fetal pole is a heart the way an acorn shoot is an oak tree.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Victims of Sexual Violence: Statistics | RAINN

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.

www.rainn.org

Yep, but there is a huge difference between an event happening during one’s lifetime and that event happening annually. There’s also a difference between attempted X and completed X.

 

[Napoleon]

And a fetal pole is a heart the way an acorn shoot is an oak tree.

Not really. The fetal pole is part of the yolk sac. It is not part of the heart.

 

[Spunkylama]

Yep, but there is a huge difference between an event happening during one’s lifetime and that event happening annually. There also a difference between attempted X and completed X.

Weird I swear I just copied and pasted that. Not sure what happened but thanks for the correction.

 

[Napoleon]

They already arrested a woman for an alleged self induced abortion. Now, women will be scared to seek medical treatment, for fear that hospital staff will report them to police. Which is exactly what the slime who support these laws want, I suppose.

The details of that case are basically non-existent. The media wasn’t even sure if she was charged because of self-induced abortion or for helping someone else do it. Whatever that case was, we know someone landed it in the hospital, and it was dropped by the DA.

 

[mrjurrs]

Not really. The fetal pole is part of the yolk sac. It is not part of the heart.

How about this one...
The fetal pole is a part of the heart like an eggshell is a part of scrambled eggs.

 

[Napoleon]

How about this one...
The fetal pole is a part of the heart like an eggshell is a part of scrambled eggs.

No. What you’re saying is akin to poking your stomach with a vibrating cellphone and claiming that vibration is a heartbeat. The fetal pole is not part of the heart in any way, shape, or form. It’s part of the yolk sac connected to what will later develop into the digestive system.

 

[Roadvirus]

Dems grow alarmed by lack of fear over Roe’s future​

Democrats argue that the party needs to act more aggressively ahead of the Supreme Court’s ruling expected this summer on a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

Dems grow alarmed by lack of fear over Roe’s future

Democrats argue that the party needs to act more aggressively ahead of the Supreme Court’s ruling expected this summer on a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

www.politico.com

For decades, Democrats insisted that Republicans would invite a major voter backlash if they took aggressive action to curtail abortion rights.

Now, as a growing number of GOP-led states do just that, passing a slew of bills curtailing abortion with no exemptions for rape and incest, they fear that voters are uninformed or misinformed about the stakes. And they are sounding the alarm that more is needed to engage voters and warn them that the current slate of laws is just the beginning.

To reach voters in key swing states, Planned Parenthood is launching a national $16 million TV, streaming and digital ad campaign. The campaign, first shared with POLITICO, will run in states like Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, Ohio and Florida and focus on reaching voters of color and young people. The ads will run through the Supreme Court ruling expected this summer on a challenge to Roe v. Wade and are accompanied by Spanish and English websites to educate the public on abortion access in different states, locate health centers and provide resources on how to get politically involved.


The move comes as Democratic pollsters, campaign operatives and candidates argue that the party needs to act more aggressively ahead of the high court’s decision and not wait until the ruling is handed down. Key to making this reality stick, they say, is President Joe Biden.
“We absolutely need [Biden’s] voice now,” said Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, who is running for reelection. “I know he has a lot on his plate right now as leader of the free world. But certainly the voice of the president is important to this. A whole lot more people are going to listen to what Joe Biden says as opposed to Kwame Raoul.”

snip

Alot of things have changed since this was punted to SCOTUS. Inflation has become a thing & Russia threatening the civilized world with nuclear weapons while committing mass murder/destruction in a sovereign nation ripped any potential RvW disappearance concerns right off the front page.

 

[Irredentist]

The details of that case are basically non-existent. The media wasn’t even sure if she was charged because of self-induced abortion or for helping someone else do it. Whatever that case was, we know someone landed it in the hospital, and it was dropped by the DA.

She never should have been arrested to begin with. The police themselves probably weren't even sure what they were charging her with. Which just goes to show what a disaster this new law has been for women's rights.

 

[mrjurrs]

No. What you’re saying is akin to poking your stomach with a vibrating cellphone and claiming that vibration is a heartbeat. The fetal pole is not part of the heart in any way, shape, or form. It’s part of the yolk sac connected to what will later develop into the digestive system.

Excellent. That helps me make my point. Thanks for the knowledge.