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Dems Dragging Everyone Into WW3

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Dems are hellbent on dragging everyone along with them into WW3

 

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Russian propagandist ****er Carlson. Dismissed.
Same old tune. When you can't refute the arguments, you attack the messenger. Shows how strong his arguments are, and how non-existent your own are.
 

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If everyone is being dragged into WW3 its Putin doing the dragging, not Biden. Theres nothing America coud do short of battlefield engagement that can affwct Putin.
 

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No one stopped Putin in Georgia. So now it’s Ukraine‘s turn. If no one stops him in Ukraine, Slovakia is probably next. Where do you think he will stop, if ever? Is there any advantage to stopping him now?
 

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LOL I was wondering where this sudden shift in right wing posting came from. All of a sudden they're all spamming BIDEN WANTS US ALL DEAD. Like good little sheep, all bleating the message they were told to bleat.

And of course it's Tucker.
 

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If everyone is being dragged into WW3 its Putin doing the dragging, not Biden. Theres nothing America coud do short of battlefield engagement that can affwct Putin.
Nah, not really - Ukraine has never been an homogenous place - Russians have always lived on those lands, and so have others like Hungarians.

Right up to WW2, Western Ukraine was part of Poland and Eastern Ukraine was part of Russia/USSR.

Basically, Washington, Western Europe & NATO have come in on the side of the Western Ukrainians against the Easterners.

This is clearly an ethnic war, and the Russians are not going to back down over their ethnic brethren. It's very clear this could lead to WW3 and nuclear escalation. The US has no dog in this fight, any more than it had in Afghanistan, which Biden was fine with throwing under a bus. The current goal is simply to exploit the Ukrainians and use them to bleed the Russians as much as possible, regardless of the misery that results for the Ukrainians in the process.

The US should quickly push for talks and negotiated settlement, even while pulling back all arms and assistance to the conflict.
 

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Same old tune. When you can't refute the arguments, you attack the messenger. Shows how strong his arguments are, and how non-existent your own are.
Tell that argument to FoxNews/Pravda. They attacked Tucker in court and won. Why should we do less?

This is from Fox Business News...

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously​


His own station is telling you not to take him seriously and you still take him seriously. Sod off with that nonsense.
 

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Tell that argument to FoxNews/Pravda. They attacked Tucker in court and won. Why should we do less?

This is from Fox Business News...

Fox News won a court case by 'persuasively' arguing that no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously​


His own station is telling you not to take him seriously and you still take him seriously. Sod off with that nonsense.

That's not a big deal - that's what you're supposed to say when being sued for ridiculous reasons. Those suing him were simply attacking free speech, and it was the best/easiest argument to make.
No serious argument should be given to those engaging in such absurd lawsuits.
 

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Nah, not really - Ukraine has never been an homogenous place - Russians have always lived on those lands, and so have others like Hungarians.

Right up to WW2, Western Ukraine was part of Poland and Eastern Ukraine was part of Russia/USSR.

Basically, Washington, Western Europe & NATO have come in on the side of the Western Ukrainians against the Easterners.

This is clearly an ethnic war, and the Russians are not going to back down over their ethnic brethren. It's very clear this could lead to WW3 and nuclear escalation. The US has no dog in this fight, any more than it had in Afghanistan, which Biden was fine with throwing under a bus. The current goal is simply to exploit the Ukrainians and use them to bleed the Russians as much as possible, regardless of the misery that results for the Ukrainians in the process.

The US should quickly push for talks and negotiated settlement, even while pulling back all arms and assistance to the conflict.
The US should either help Ukraine or keep it's nose out of it. If you do anything that doesn't help Ukraine you're helping Putin which puts you way over on the wrong side. If you can't help the right side, just stay the hell out of the way.
There were four US presidents involved in Afghanistan and you pick the one who had the least to do with it and blame him for throwing them under a bus. Obama should have pulled out, Trump should have pulled out, Biden did pull out but it's his fault the country is back in the grip? 20 years, four US Presidents, trillions of dollars and thousands of lives and the Taliban is in charge in Kabul and you lot blame Biden. Brilliant.
 

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Selling Russian propaganda in defense of an evil war of aggression.

I guess that's Trumpism for ya'....
 

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You know, most people do have TV sets so if they want to watch Fox, they can.
This is a DEBATE forum.
So...do you HAVE a point that you wish to debate or are you just doing Fox and YouTube a favor by being the local DP TV Guide channel?
 

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Same old tune. When you can't refute the arguments, you attack the messenger. Shows how strong his arguments are, and how non-existent your own are.
I see no arguments, I see a Tucker Carlson YouTube video. Tucker is not a member of DP and telling people that they have to sit through
twenty minutes of his blather to infer talking points that you are too lazy to formulate yourself is pathetically weak sauce.

But it's also confirmation of this Roger Ailes memo from 1970!
He's talking about people like YOU.
Are you capable of doing some of your own thinking, and more importantly, some of your own WRITING?

THINKINGDONEFORYOU.jpg
 

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That's not a big deal - that's what you're supposed to say when being sued for ridiculous reasons. Those suing him were simply attacking free speech, and it was the best/easiest argument to make.
No serious argument should be given to those engaging in such absurd lawsuits.
Nothing will convince you the man is a fraud some I'm not trying to convince you. I'm saying it's perfectly reasonable to ignore Tucker and a court agreed. So Tucker is a joke to me.
 

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Russia is free to withdraw from Ukraine anytime they want.
Ukraine isn't homogenous. Russians are native to Ukraine, and have always lived there.

Right up until WW2, western Ukraine was Poland, and eastern Ukraine was Russia. And if it weren't for Hitler, that would still be the case. So there was no country called Ukraine, there was just Poland and Russia. They both referred to their respective portions as their "outer lands" -- the word "Ukraine" itself means "outer lands".
 

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Ukraine isn't homogenous. Russians are native to Ukraine, and have always lived there.

Right up until WW2, western Ukraine was Poland, and eastern Ukraine was Russia. And if it weren't for Hitler, that would still be the case. So there was no country called Ukraine, there was just Poland and Russia. They both referred to their respective portions as their "outer lands" -- the word "Ukraine" itself means "outer lands".

Ukraine exists with internationally recognized borders set in 1991.

That there Russian speakers on Ukraine territory is irrelevant to that fact.
 

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Nah, not really - Ukraine has never been an homogenous place - Russians have always lived on those lands, and so have others like Hungarians.

Right up to WW2, Western Ukraine was part of Poland and Eastern Ukraine was part of Russia/USSR.

Basically, Washington, Western Europe & NATO have come in on the side of the Western Ukrainians against the Easterners.

This is clearly an ethnic war, and the Russians are not going to back down over their ethnic brethren. It's very clear this could lead to WW3 and nuclear escalation. The US has no dog in this fight, any more than it had in Afghanistan, which Biden was fine with throwing under a bus. The current goal is simply to exploit the Ukrainians and use them to bleed the Russians as much as possible, regardless of the misery that results for the Ukrainians in the process.

The US should quickly push for talks and negotiated settlement, even while pulling back all arms and assistance to the conflict.
Texas was part of Mexico.
 

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Ukraine exists with internationally recognized borders set in 1991.

That there Russian speakers on Ukraine territory is irrelevant to that fact.

No, it's entirely relevant. NATO set the precedent by invading and breaking up Serbia. Ukraine has no special sacredness, when it can be done to others. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
 

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Shouldn't Tucker Carlson be more worried about ensuring that his testicles are properly grilled?
 
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