Democrats holding up Covid 19 relief bill.

[Cardinal]

Either you are a poor reader or are oblivious to the obvious: As I stated, I am pissed because the bill was agreed to by both sides and, therefore, presumptively provided benefits agreeable to both party's as an immediate stimulus to somewhat mitigate the economic and stock market implosion. I have NO reason to suppose that all the Senate Democrats were wrong and that Nancy Pelosi was correct in delaying action for her other stuff.

Even the liberal NY Times was rather P.O.'d at Ms. Nancy for her actions...that is more than sufficient to further persuade me that she was wrong-headed and cynical.

BUT as I requested before, if YOU actually know something about the full number of beneficiaries that would persuade me that the bi-partisan bill wasn't worth passing regardless of the urgency...do tell.

And if you don't know, then what is your opinion based on...except that the "honorable" Ms. Nancy is hostile to it?

In all that time you’ve spent responding to me, you haven’t once included any material information on the content of McConnell’s bill that he didn’t work with Democrats on. None at all.

It just seems like you want to be pissed off at Democrats, even if you don’t have any reason to be.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Then let 'em find their money elsewhere. Give the current money directly to the citizens. I don't need to give the corps my money. It's their money to earn.

And why should a corporation that pays millions to management and CEOs not have a nest egg to get them through a few months? If they can't afford that, they were on the brink of failure anyway. They blew their wad with the tax cuts. No money for the biggest richest corps. All the cash needs to go to the worker bees that are out of work.

There were many people that thought we should have let the banks fail in 2008. We gave them billions to provide loans to small businesses and what did they do with it? Kept it for the big shots. Screwed the taxpayer. We don't need a repeat of that.

 

[yankintx]

God i I hope that ****-knuckle loses this fall. He is so horrible for this country.

If folks get off there back side election day we can get rid of this national embarrassment. The man is a joke as a leader, lacks integrity.

 

[jpn]

BUT as I requested before, if YOU actually know something about the full number of beneficiaries that would persuade me that the bi-partisan bill wasn't worth passing regardless of the urgency...do tell.

I understand that the deal breaker was the $500 billion for corporations. The GOP want it to be an slush fund. It would be under the control of the Secretary of the Treasury and have virtually no strings attached.

The Trump administration could do anything it wants with it. Is there anyone who doesn't think he'd use it to reward his friends and punish his enemies? Of course he would.

The GOP needs to get real.

 

[VanceMack]

It's quite stunning how quickly Pelosi defenders invent and/or parrot excuses and rationalizations, post hoc, after she blows into town and derails an agreement already negotiated between Senate Democrats and Republicans on the eve of their vote...Apparently their isn't a shameless and destructive act by Pelosi that can ever be criticized by liberals.

The fact is that "both sides" in the Senate did put aside enough of their differences to craft a bi-partisan agreement that would not be filibustered. Both sides DID see the urgency of fueling liquidity and stimulus on the eve of another great recession, and agreed to send citizens stimulus checks post haste. Both sides appreciated that this was no time to quibble over pet peeves and block the stimulus on behalf of grand-standing ideology and political scoring when the economy is on the cusp of a great recession if not worse.

There is no way to sugarcoat this self-created disaster, as the Monday markets prepare for more unprecedented losses after Pelosi's transparent political ploy for attention: it was as cynical, callous, and self-serving as any major action by anyone in the last decade.

In sum: “Senate spends all weekend negotiating a bipartisan deal. Agreement reached. Pelosi flies in from California, whips out her unrelated ‘wishlist,’ and says no. Senate Democrats then vote against proceeding on a bill they negotiated. Jaw dropping.”

So when folks repeat idiotic tropes about "oh this agreement was bad" or "we need to NOW work together" I can't believe how gullible and stupid folks have become.

Shame on all of you that lack the character to criticize this utterly blatant and obvious political move, so prepare for today as the Monday becomes a "Pelosi Day" crash.

:lamo

Did you really just cal me a "Pelosi defender"? You ****ing people need to get over yourselves and the idea that if someone disagrees with you they must be a partisan.

Sorry...pal. I'm probably as if not more conservative than most people on this site from a fiscal perspective. This isnt bad legislation because Pelosi and Schumer moved to block it. Its bad legislation because its bad legislation.

 

[Erod]

Did Democrats agree that the relief bill should be aimed at large industry over individual workers?

Yes, the bill was bipartisan until Pelosi got involved.

Now, the items that Schumer and Pelosi are pushing are:

1. Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions

2. Increased fuel emissions for airlines

3. Expansion of wind and solar tax credits

What in the hell does that have to do with the coronavirus right now?

 

[Cardinal]

Yes, the bill was bipartisan until Pelosi got involved.

Now, the items that Schumer and Pelosi are pushing are:

1. Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions

2. Increased fuel emissions for airlines

3. Expansion of wind and solar tax credits

What in the hell does that have to do with the coronavirus right now?

What are the measures that Democrats want included. Source, please.

 

[grip]

I think the markets will dive tomorrow morning in part because of a lack of progress on this bailout.

Refer to my thread...

DP Raffle:

 

[Anthony60]

Drug testing doesn't help welfare recipients either.

But you don't want to take any chances that your taxes will go to pay for drugs, its for food and rent.

And the dems don't want our tax dollars to pay for bonuses and stock buybacks. They just want it to be spent on the equivalent of food and rent.

You mean it doesn’t help them politically, so they want something in there that does help them.


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[What if...?]

You mean it doesn’t help them politically, so they want something in there that does help them.


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Please elucidate your position.

Doesn't seem to he a response to what I said.

Sounds like trumpspeak run through a grammar and spell check.

 

[Robertinfremont]

TARP and the trump tax cuts were both stimulous programs. But much of that money ended up paying bonuses and funding stock buybacks. Neither of those things stimulate the general economy.

That would be the reasoning. People resent it when their tax money goes to pay the bonus of the Guy who foreclosed on their house. If the government had given the money to them they might have kept their homes.

You might be shocked out of your mind if you checked just how many mortgage firms folded after the crash during Bush's presidency. Dodd Frank made it a lot harder to stay in business.

I doubt a high percent of the funds were used for things you mentioned. Do you have actual proof?

Your typical voter pays either no federal income taxes (not discussing payroll taxes) or damned little. not sure why a non payer cares about spending by the Feds.

 

[JasperL]

Yeah, I'm sure he'll just divert it to Trump hotels and the media will say nothing. Right, like that would happen.

Bad enough we are running up the debt, but Democrats want to tell companies what business decisions to make? They are not going to fire people they need. So, the Democrats want them to keep people on that they don't need? Sounds like a great way to run a business... into the ground.

If the companies don't want strings attached to their money, there's an easy answer - don't suck off the federal teat. Where's the free market when we need it?

 

[Captain America]

Unless the bill includes protections that will prevent the corporate world from funneling that money to big CEO bonuses and stock buy backs, I hope the dems do stop it.

Because we all know the GOP won't do that on their own. They are always more concerned with corporate riches more than they are concerned with the needs of the people. That's who they are. That's what they do. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Anthony60]

Please elucidate your position.

Doesn't seem to he a response to what I said.

Sounds like trumpspeak run through a grammar and spell check.

You are the one going off and comparing it to drug testing for welfare recipients. That's nothing like what's going on. Dems want to pork up the bill, and now are holding everything up. You can bet that they will not let this bill go anywhere. They are going to push Pelosi's bill now. I can just imagine the pork in that thing that will be unrelated to this crisis.

 

[JasperL]

When the government can tell you how to run your business, that's going too far. Not in this country. Dangerous waters to get into.

Lenders in the 'free market' condition loans on telling recipients how to run their business all the time - they're called loan covenants, and violating them can result in the loan getting called.

Beggars can't be choosers...

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Politicians, why don 't you hand out masks on every corner, like you handed out leaflets during the election ?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Incorrect. Republican senators were involved in negotiating a healthcare reform plan. McConnell removed them in a strategic effort to label the effort partisan in order to defeat it. And you fell for it.

In fact, the ACA, being a market-based reform, is essentially a GOP idea, yet the GOP abandoned it in an effort to make the opposition fail.

One of many Republican strategies used to defeat the opposition at the cost of our democratic traditions, which has now become the new normal for them.

Incorrect again. I saw Republicans try time after time to get amendments passed and every single time Democrats blocked them.

I laugh calling it the idea of the GOP.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Lenders in the 'free market' condition loans on telling recipients how to run their business all the time - they're called loan covenants, and violating them can result in the loan getting called.

Beggars can't be choosers...

There is a vast difference in Government and merchants or lenders. Government can put you into a prison.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You are the one going off and comparing it to drug testing for welfare recipients. That's nothing like what's going on. Dems want to pork up the bill, and now are holding everything up. You can bet that they will not let this bill go anywhere. They are going to push Pelosi's bill now. I can just imagine the pork in that thing that will be unrelated to this crisis.

When Democrats pork up bills, and they get passed, they then blame it all on Trump.

 

[JasperL]

There is a vast difference in Government and merchants or lenders. Government can put you into a prison.

I don't care. If major corporations line up to suck off the federal teat, then we should demand and they will accept restrictions on how you use OUR money. If they don't like restrictions, they can go **** themselves and turn to the free market for their money.

Works for me.

 

[Chomsky]

And why should a corporation that pays millions to management and CEOs not have a nest egg to get them through a few months? If they can't afford that, they were on the brink of failure anyway. They blew their wad with the tax cuts. No money for the biggest richest corps. All the cash needs to go to the worker bees that are out of work.

There were many people that thought we should have let the banks fail in 2008. We gave them billions to provide loans to small businesses and what did they do with it? Kept it for the big shots. Screwed the taxpayer. We don't need a repeat of that.

Unfortunately it's not all that simple. I wish it was. But yes I'm very much in agreement with you.

Remember - $2T is over $6K per person, and over $14K per taxpayer. Assuming you may be a taxpayer, are you willing to go into your drawer, pull-out your checkbook, and right you favorite corps a 14K check tonight? I'm not. And let's not forget many families have two wage earners, and also an adult kid or two in the house. Add up that family's check!

But wait! There's more! Don't write a check! Put it on your credit cards! Marone!

 

[iguanaman]

You keep believing that Trump is out LOL. You will be disappointed in November. A lot of Bernie supporters are already saying they are not voting for Biden.

LOL Bernie supporters are not going to save Trumps ass this time. He is toast.

 

[Linc]

Of course dems invented this virus, because before that they didn't have anyone to beat Trump and this is their only hope to get rid of him. They couldn't I don't know run better candidates.

This helps to explain why your state of Tennessee is run by republicans.

 

[prometeus]

Of course dems invented this virus

Of course you are doubling down on stupidity.

 

[Anthony60]

Lenders in the 'free market' condition loans on telling recipients how to run their business all the time - they're called loan covenants, and violating them can result in the loan getting called.

Beggars can't be choosers...

The government is not part of the free market. Companies can't force other companies to shutdown, stop operating, etc... through legislation and orders. When the federal government tells you that you have to shut your doors, you can't walk away and say "Sorry, this deal's not for me, I'll look for a better deal elsewhere."