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Democrat or Republican?

Democrat or Republican?

  • Democrat

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Republican

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Neither

    Votes: 17 47.2%

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Shye

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neither I am green party but, am pretty libral so I have some respect for the democrat party, even thought they seem kind of weak and are still for corporations(not as much as th republican party though).
 

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Neither. I definitely lean more Socialist. Although not to far of a lean. I am a big fan of private property.
 

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Soviet_Guy said:
Green Peace Party won a seat in the House Of Commons in Canada!
awsome hopefully more will win a seat in the House of Commons
 

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Soviet_Guy said:
Green Peace Party won a seat in the House Of Commons in Canada!
That is awesome!

Oh yeah, neither for me.
 

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This is how I am. I am usually for the Democrats except when I know they are wrong. I rarely side with Republicans, but I have been known to (especially on reforming affrimative action...though not the way they want...) and just go indie when I don't agree with either.
 

JustineCredible

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I have to admit that I am a registered Democrat, but my voting record shows me to be much more an independent.
I'm not happy that there is such a strong two party system, especially when those parties show very little differences from each other. But, when the balloon goes up and there is a choice to be made, usually after much deliberation, I will vote how my mind and my heart tell me. If I don't know anything about a pair of candidates or feel I don't know enough, I don't vote for either.
I take my right to vote seriously and never simply punch any ol' hole just because...but I also know when voting for a doomed candidate is simply asking for disaster...I don't lend my vote to that either.
 

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Obviously I am quite conservative. However, I am not a republican nor a democrat. In Ohio I am registered with no party affiliation as independent is not a choice when registering to vote. I have looked into the libertarian party & the constitution party; I like both but don't agree 100% with either one. A merging of the two taking the best of each & dropping the worst might be great; but that's a matter of opinion. I guess I would have to say I'm a Juris Naturalis.

Juris Naturalism
I spent Friday night at a friend's house, and ended up borrowing and reading a book called "Are You Liberal? Conservative? or Confused" by Richard Maybury over the weekend. Maybury begins by defining the political terms in common use today and goes on to reject all of them, calling instead for a departure from the statism of the current political spectrum. He argues that the original intent of the Founding Fathers has been lost in a tidal wave of state-centered ideas and ideologies, and suggests a return to the philosophy of the American Founders, a philosophy he terms juris naturalis, or Natural Law, also called Higher Law.

He writes:

Higher Law is the belief that right and wrong are not matters of opinion. Like the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, right and wrong are a given, something that we must learn and apply. They cannot be made up by politicians or anyone else. They are part of what humans are, our Creator gave them to us. They have been built into our DNA.
When obedience to Higher Law is widespread, life gets better. When it's not, life gets worse.


Higher Law, according to Maybury, consists of two foundational principles common to all major religions and philosophies. The first is, do all you have agreed to do. The second is do not encroach on other persons or their property.

These principles have gotten lost in the Godless society we have become accustomed to, and as such, the political arena has become a mad dash for power. The one with the most arm-twisting potential at the end of the day wins. Maybury presents an alternative, a system that 1) seeks only to enforce the two basic laws, 2) that regards political power as inherently corrosive and dangerous, and 3) that keeps the continual reduction and eventual abolition of government as its lodestar. Maybury terms this approach as juris naturalism.

In today's political spectrum, there is no room for the juris naturalist approach. There is only a wide variety of statists, who disagree only about the specific ways power should be used. Liberals seek to control one's economic conduct, and conservatives seek control over one's social conduct. Moderates – the group most Americans crowd into – are a compromise. They seek control over both aspects. Maybury claims that juris naturalists return to the philosophy of the Founding Fathers by advocating only the two basic principles given earlier.

Maybury's approach seems to be a sort of theistic libertarianism, and for the most part, I agree with it. He argues quite rightly that America should refrain from supporting one petty tyrant over another, adding that such meddling in the affairs of other nations frequently would be considered a serious crime if done at home. He stresses that such a policy would not be isolationist in nature:

This is not an argument for so-called isolationism. The juris naturalist likes to see Americans traveling, doing business abroad, and making friends there. But he wants no political connections.
Jonah Goldberg recently spent a couple of paragraphs trying to refute this argument, reiterating the basic neocon premise that times have changed, and we must change with them, but I'm not convinced. Maybe if we hadn't stirred up the hornet's nest in the first place, we wouldn't be having to pluck out stingers from our forearms.

Indeed, one has to wonder how differently the situation in Iraq might have been had the nation's former presidents, both left and right, heeded these words from its very first chief executive. I leave you with the closing paragraph from George Washington's Farewell Address.

"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to them with as little political connections as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop."

http://www.themasterspen.com/archives/000319.html
 

MikeyC

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Right now I lean Democrat, but 5 months ago I leaned Republican. Depends what issues seem to be out their and how much my knowledge about the issue changes over time. Like on social security, I originally took a Republican stance on the issue, favoring privatization, but after reading a few long, well-researched articles I became convinced the Democrats are correct on this. I'm sure I'll lean Republican in the future, and then lean Democrat again. It all depends what issues seem most important and as I learn more about issues, I may change from Democrat to Republican or vice versa.
 

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Arthur Fonzarelli said:
Obviously I am quite conservative. However, I am not a republican nor a democrat. In Ohio I am registered with no party affiliation as independent is not a choice when registering to vote. I have looked into the libertarian party & the constitution party; I like both but don't agree 100% with either one. A merging of the two taking the best of each & dropping the worst might be great; but that's a matter of opinion. I guess I would have to say I'm a Juris Naturalis.
I found all that information on Juris Naturalis to be quite interesting. Of course, I disagree with a few of the things said, but I wanted to thank you for informing me of something that I previously knew nothing about. So thanks for posting!
 

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galenrox said:
yeah, I caucused democrat, but that's just cause there would be no point in caucusing republican last election, plus I really liked Wesley Clark. Too bad about him.
Here, here. Now there was a man I could have felt really good about.

(no sexual inuendo intended.....shudder) :afraid:
 

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loverofpeace said:
I found all that information on Juris Naturalis to be quite interesting. Of course, I disagree with a few of the things said, but I wanted to thank you for informing me of something that I previously knew nothing about. So thanks for posting!
You're welcome. I actually read the book that was referenced. The book is probably oversimplified (about 6th grade level reading) but I was on a search to find out where I fit into politics knowing that I really didn't fit into the two major parties.
 

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I am a democrat,but. Not like the crew that has been running the party. I started out by being a 'moderate' democrat.Everytime I look though, I am being pushed further to the " right " .Without changing one opinion I have become a ' conservative ' democrat .If the party was run by the majority of its members.It would be the majority party of the nation.
 

cnredd

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JOHNYJ said:
I am a democrat,but. Not like the crew that has been running the party. I started out by being a 'moderate' democrat.Everytime I look though, I am being pushed further to the " right " .Without changing one opinion I have become a ' conservative ' democrat .If the party was run by the majority of its members.It would be the majority party of the nation.
I know of what you speak...I'm a "South Park" conservative, but everytime I say something, I get the "right-wing Evangelical" stamp on my forehead.

There are actually 4 parties....
1)far right(crazy people)
2)middle-right(me)
3)middle-left(you)
4)far left(crazy people)

It IS discouraging sometimes watching the bombs being thrown over our heads and feeling the repercussions of it.

I always thought of a "Moderate Party", which would easily become the majority, but is also the most quiet and would have no base.
 

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I'm a Centrist. Says so in my profile. A fence sitter? yeah maybe. But on some issues i get off that fence. I've taken every little popsych test out there to determine which way I lean. I grew up extreme liberal. I am now a Centrist who leans slightly to the right. Damn this fence is giving me splinters! :cool:
 

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Lilith said:
Damn this fence is giving me splinters! :cool:
Well, as long as it wasn't a running start, suppose it's not too bad.

:shock:
 

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Very balanced poll actually - kinda suprized.
 

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I used to be a hardcore republican, I grew up on St. Ronald, Michael Keaton, the constitution, the stock market ticker, and the bible. I guess I still consider myself a little republican, but the constitution party platform more accurately represents my worldview now that the neocons and evangelicals have hijacked the republican party away from it's conservative roots and have twisted the platform to unrecognizable proportions.
 
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