Death toll rises in South Africa as violence and pogroms, looting spreads

[Infinite Chaos]

~ You can't blame your usual whipping boy, the whites, in this case.

Eh? Where does this come from? Why do you continually lie about what I have posted? I'm going to believe you're not a liar but I have to ask myself "so why does he do this?"

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Well the fact you view all opposition to your POV as “white nationalism” coupled with a rhetorical response to a claim I didn’t make shows you are not in good faith

I asked a simple question but you then go off on a tangent.

Here it is again: "what democratic principles and structures existed among the Khoisan and Bantu peoples before colonialism?"

In other words, the principle of "Democracy" is new to much of Africa. That much is pretty undisputable. You are implying that it's not and that somehow, the system of "democracy can be implanted onto a culture that never had it and suddenly make it work? There are actually few places in the world where it actually has worked so again - any examples would be great.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Then perhaps you should stop avoiding talking about the looting and pillaging instead of being devious and bringing up whites as "stoking up what is happening in South Africa"

This is a time when you can't pathetically blame the "whites". This is a conflict between factions of the ruling ANC....the Zuma faction and the faction that supports Ramaphosa (Zuma's predecessor).

I am waiting for you to show me one video where whites can be seen looting or pillaging or even "stoking up" blacks to loot and pillage.

Apartheid is gone. The mess in South Africa is caused by black people.

Stop trying to blame the whites. That ship has long since sailed.

Again, where have I said anything about whites looting and pillaging in the current riots? Just pick a post number and I will apologise.

Yawn! Where have I used the word fabulous or anything similar?

Stop making things up.

Post #48
Do you or do you not say
"There is no evidence from South Africa that the blacks elected to run the government have done anything but ruin the nations economy.

Similar situations exist all over Africa.....the most backward continent in the world."

In other words, blacks are unable anywhere in Africa to run a nation or economy. Whether the premise is true or not is another question but those are your own words.

This in reply to my post :

"There were no Bantu people in the Cape when the Afrikaners arrived there."

You're making a fool of yourself now.

Mapungubwe is 2 000 Km from Cape Town.






Er, the Boers and British were enemies. What "support" are you babbling about?

Read up on the Boer Wars.

I wonder how they could have wiped out anything " before their arrival and conquest."

It appears that you are just making things up with no respect for fact.

But please let us know what they "wiped out" in your opinion, so we can discuss it.

Why do you deliberately cut out the Khoisan people's existence in South Africa? Were the Boers and British always enemies?

Mapungubwe - you feel that was the furthest south the Bantu ever travelled or settled? That was what I was asking.

The Bantu Expansion

"The Bantu Expansion" published on by Oxford University Press.

oxfordre.com

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Where are your White nationalist groups picking up any blame here?

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I ask again,

~ You can't blame your usual whipping boy, the whites, in this case.

and again....

Where have I previously blames "the whites?" and used them as a whipping boy?

The actual evidence is the contrary, you posted "
blacks elected to run the government have done anything but ruin the nations economy.

Similar situations exist all over Africa...."

 

[Litwin]

Do you think them incapable of running a nation?

bantu run SA (empire) goes under, accroding all think tanks, but bantu can run the bantu national states , a good example is ....(you dont know the name, i am 100% sure) , but
the empire SA they can´t run , much like your Muscovite buddies

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[Litwin]

I asked a simple question but you then go off on a tangent.

Here it is again: "what democratic principles and structures existed among the Khoisan and Bantu peoples before colonialism?"

In other words, the principle of "Democracy" is new to much of Africa. That much is pretty undisputable. You are implying that it's not and that somehow, the system of "democracy can be implanted onto a culture that never had it and suddenly make it work? There are actually few places in the world where it actually has worked so again - any examples would be great.

did Afrikaners introduce apartheid in 17c ? for all Bantu in SA?
did apartheid laws treat Khoisan and Bantu people equally ?

 

[Ginza]

where have I said anything about whites looting and pillaging in the current riots?

You have claimed they are "stoking" the looting and pillaging.

Are you so misguided that you believe blacks need whites to stoke them to loot and pillage?

Your suggestion is absurd.

 

[Ginza]

In other words, blacks are unable anywhere in Africa to run a nation or economy.

Er, again you make things up.

They are able to run an economy.....they just do so incredibly badly in most cases.

It's not that hard to understand, especially if you don't twist my words.

 

[Ginza]

Where have I previously blames "the whites?" and used them as a whipping boy?

Oh please....surely you haven't forgotten your silly claim that whites were "stoking" the violence in South Africa?

it's all about two factions of the mostly black ANC and the Natal faction claiming they will make the country ungovernable if Zuma goes to jail.

You seem so intent on shifting the blame to whites....as happens in the USA.

 

[Litwin]

You have claimed they are "stoking" the looting and pillaging.

Are you so misguided that you believe blacks need whites to stoke them to loot and pillage?

Your suggestion is absurd.

pure Pogroms , much like in Muscovy was in 1917, qestion: what´d be the best solution for SA empire ?

 

[TheParser]

No one is surprised by what happens in that country.

What is surprising is that there are still a lot of people living there who have not yet left.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No one is surprised by what happens in that country.

What is surprising is that there are still a lot of people living there who have not yet left.

Especially whites, I wouldn’t stay there. I would go to first country that would take me.

 

[Ginza]

what´d be the best solution for SA

There is no solution other than a cultural change, which is highly unlikely.

When I was there years ago, there was little stigma attributed to corruption. This is illustrated by the widespread support for ex president Zuma, who was clearly misappropriating taxpayers funds.

The whites that are still there are keeping the economy rolling around, but their taxes are being wasted due to corruption and inefficiency.

There are many capable blacks in SA, but sadly nowhere near enough in number to make enough of an improvement right now.

 

[TheParser]

Especially whites, I wouldn’t stay there. I would go to first country that would take me.

I am especially concerned about the farmers who are being murdered so that other farmers leave and then their farms can be confiscated.

Those farmers still in South Africa would be excellent immigrants for this country.

 

[Irredentist]

Especially whites, I wouldn’t stay there. I would go to first country that would take me.

You should do that right now. Apply for refugee status.

 

[Ginza]

Especially whites, I wouldn’t stay there. I would go to first country that would take me.

I would still be there, if the situation was not so violent.

But then I was not born there. It is very difficult for whites to leave ther family and friends behind.

 

[Ginza]

I am especially concerned about the farmers who are being murdered so that other farmers leave and then their farms can be confiscated.

They would be excellent immigrants for this country.

I live in Perth, Australia.

Many of my neighbours are ex South African.

They are very hardworking people. In SA, there was no state pension fund worth collecting. Minimum unemployment benefits. If you didn't work, you starved.

They are known here as the new "boat people".......as they all buy a boat shortly after arriving.....

They are not just white people but also so called coloureds and South Africans of Indian descent.

 

[TheParser]

I live in Perth, Australia.

Many of my neighbours are ex South African.

They are very hardworking people. In SA, there was no state pension fund worth collecting. Minimum unemployment benefits. If you didn't work, you starved.

They are known here as the new "boat people".......as they all buy a boat shortly after arriving.....

They are not just white people but also so called coloureds and South Africans of Indian descent.

It must be traumatic to be forced to leave one's country.

IMHO, sometime in the coming decades or at least in the next century, some Americans will be leaving the United States because of a certain reason.

I hear Red China is sending people to South Africa for various purposes. I hope that they can be kept safe there.

Wish you the best in your new, safe environment.

 

[Fledermaus]

bantu run SA (empire) goes under, accroding all think tanks, but bantu can run the bantu national states , a good example is ....(you dont know the name, i am 100% sure) , but
the empire SA they can´t run , much like your Muscovite buddies

You keep using the word empire while not understanding it.

What "Bantu empire" are you babbling about?

Oh, and you toilet fetish means nothing.

 

[Fledermaus]

pure Pogroms , much like in Muscovy was in 1917, qestion: what´d be the best solution for SA empire ?

Everything to you is about Russia...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You should do that right now. Apply for refugee status.

I don’t live in South Africa.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I am especially concerned about the farmers who are being murdered so that other farmers leave and then their farms can be confiscated.

Those farmers still in South Africa would be excellent immigrants for this country.

The problem is if you’re a professional farmer it’s no longer easy to break into that business. Honestly if you’re a farmer used to living in a poorer country, Russia was at one point offering Asylum to SA whites. I don’t know how easy it is to get land or a management job, but my guess is if you have the Dutch green thumb and a good work ethic you can rapidly get status in a poorer country faster then you can in a wealthy one where all the social niches are filled.

 

[Fledermaus]

You specifically listed Mexico in your post.

And I spoke of the joke which wasn't about Mexico.

 

[Irredentist]

I don’t live in South Africa.

Do it anyway

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do it anyway

Is the Democratic Rwandan radio telling you to start pushing out the cockroaches?

 

[Litwin]

Everything to you is about Russia...

yes, its not an easy task to rule an empire , Englishmen could (not anymore ) Bantu and Muscovites couldn't´ ... Afrikaners could until 80s, not anymore , qestion what´d be done in SA and Muscovy ?