Deadly $2 heroin aimed at young teens

[Kasmos]

"Cheese" is not only dangerous. It's cheap. About $2 for a single hit and as little as $10 per gram. The drug can be snorted with a straw or through a ballpoint pen, authorities say. It causes drowsiness and lethargy, as well as euphoria, excessive thirst and disorientation. That is, if the user survives.

Authorities aren't exactly sure how the drug got its name "cheese." It's most likely because the ground-up, tan substance looks like Parmesan cheese. The other theory is it's shorthand for the Spanish word "chiva," which is street slang for heroin.

By using the name "cheese," drug dealers are marketing the low-grade heroin to a younger crowd -- many of them middle schoolers -- unaware of its potential dangers, authorities say.

"These are street dealers, dope dealers," Moncibais recently warned students at Sam Tasby Middle School. "They give you a lethal dose. What do they care?"

Seems like this stuff is getting smuggled in through the border. Another reason our government needs to step up....

By the way, SgtRock, this one's for you :2wave:

 

[Iriemon]

Seems like this stuff is getting smuggled in through the border. Another reason our government needs to step up....

By the way, SgtRock, this one's for you :2wave:

That is unbelievably cheap.

Yet another example of how the other war on a thing is a failure after 40 years.

Legalize. Regulate. Educate.

 

[Kasmos]

Well our government will never allow it, and in turn, this kind of deadly drug will continue to take American lives. I agree, if you legalize a drug, put strict regulations on it, and then educate the public on the effects of it, we won't be seeing this kind of problems anymore.

The drug wars in America will end in my opinion.

 

[rivrrat]

Heroin has always been cheap.

But, it's pretty stupid of drug dealers to be killing their clients... makes no sense. The biggest money-making part of drug dealing is the repeat business.

If drugs were decriminalized and quality controlled, this crap wouldn't happen nearly as much.

 

[Captain America]

It is beyond my comprehension why anyone would pay one thin dime for a drug that is gonna make you puke, itch and nod out. I can do that just by watching Bill O'Reilly. For free.

 

[rivrrat]

It is beyond my comprehension why anyone would pay one thin dime for a drug that is gonna make you puke, itch and nod out. I can do that just by watching Bill O'Reilly. For free.

LMAO No kidding. I've never understood the use of heroin. When I worked as an EMT, we always had to shoot anti-nausea medicine right along with the morphine because if we didn't... we had vomit all over our ambulance.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Perhaps I'm overly negative and cynical, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who willingly takes something like this if they know that they are taking such an incredible gamble with their life. People need to be responsible for their own actions. Perhaps the government can start making a new drug called "Idiot" that guarantees death to whomever takes it. I'm sure it would be a huge hit.

 

[Kasmos]

Perhaps I'm overly negative and cynical, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who willingly takes something like this if they know that they are taking such an incredible gamble with their life. People need to be responsible for their own actions. Perhaps the government can start making a new drug called "Idiot" that guarantees death to whomever takes it. I'm sure it would be a huge hit.

Although for the most part I agree, the problem is that these people dying are kids. I bet if kids were educated in these kinds of drugs, they'd probably never try it in the first place. Again why I think legalizing drugs is something we should and will have to do in the future.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Although for the most part I agree, the problem is that these people dying are kids. I bet if kids were educated in these kinds of drugs, they'd probably never try it in the first place. Again why I think legalizing drugs is something we should and will have to do in the future.

Well, the drug programs that we do have are horrible and foolishly attempt to try and relate to the kids. I think that the drug programs need to get a bit more militant and start showing these kids the reality of drugs like this and really scare the crap out of them. Personally, I think most of these kids know the risks involved and still do it anyway. Regardless, it's still hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who still does it knowing the risks, even if it is a kid. Perhaps I'm horribly insensitive, but to me it is one less future idiot in the world. If parents don't want their kids to die they need to step up and take an active role in parenting and not be afraid to scare their kids a bit.

 

[Captain America]

Whatever it takes to get between your child and drugs is worth doing. Period.

 

[rivrrat]

Well, the drug programs that we do have are horrible and foolishly attempt to try and relate to the kids. I think that the drug programs need to get a bit more militant and start showing these kids the reality of drugs like this and really scare the crap out of them. Personally, I think most of these kids know the risks involved and still do it anyway. Regardless, it's still hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who still does it knowing the risks, even if it is a kid. Perhaps I'm horribly insensitive, but to me it is one less future idiot in the world. If parents don't want their kids to die they need to step up and take an active role in parenting and not be afraid to scare their kids a bit.

Nah, I think that's what's wrong with many of the drug programs. They DO try to "scare" kids. And they do so by exaggerating the possible effects of many drugs and focusing on worse case scenarios as if they're the norm.

Kids need the truth. Not all drugs are going to kill you. Not all drugs are going to screw you up. But some of them can, and many certainly can when used irresponsibly.

All the scare tactics do is make kids feel/think "it won't happen to me". Or, they see right through it for what it is - exaggerations and lies.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Whatever it takes to get between your child and drugs is worth doing. Period.

I completely agree.

 

[Kasmos]

Well, the drug programs that we do have are horrible and foolishly attempt to try and relate to the kids. I think that the drug programs need to get a bit more militant and start showing these kids the reality of drugs like this and really scare the crap out of them. Personally, I think most of these kids know the risks involved and still do it anyway. Regardless, it's still hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who still does it knowing the risks, even if it is a kid. Perhaps I'm horribly insensitive, but to me it is one less future idiot in the world. If parents don't want their kids to die they need to step up and take an active role in parenting and not be afraid to scare their kids a bit.

Again, for the most part I think kids (many of these kids were middle schoolers mind you) understand there are risks, but don't know WHAT the risks are. I do agree our current programs are horrible, and that the current stigma that all illegal drugs are the devil is just as bad. The fact that, for example, marijuana isn't legal and TAXED right now is absolutely insane. Think of how much violence there is because of the drug wars in the U.S.? Think of how much this would decrease if selling these drugs were regulated and LEGAL?

 

[Captain America]

Nah, I think that's what's wrong with many of the drug programs. They DO try to "scare" kids. And they do so by exaggerating the possible effects of many drugs and focusing on worse case scenarios as if they're the norm.

Kids need the truth. Not all drugs are going to kill you. Not all drugs are going to screw you up. But some of them can, and many certainly can when used irresponsibly.

All the scare tactics do is make kids feel/think "it won't happen to me". Or, they see right through it for what it is - exaggerations and lies.

It is kinda hard to take the education seriously when they tell you pot makes your babies come out naked and toothless. Remember the "Reefer Madness" propaganda? That's a little extreme but a perfect example of how the integrity of drug education can be flushed down the toilet.

Anybody who knows anything about pot, first hand, knows the BS propaganda when they hear it. Now, they won't believe anything.

"They lied about the pot so they're probably lying about the herion." Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive..

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Nah, I think that's what's wrong with many of the drug programs. They DO try to "scare" kids. And they do so by exaggerating the possible effects of many drugs and focusing on worse case scenarios as if they're the norm.

Kids need the truth. Not all drugs are going to kill you. Not all drugs are going to screw you up. But some of them can, and many certainly can when used irresponsibly.

All the scare tactics do is make kids feel/think "it won't happen to me". Or, they see right through it for what it is - exaggerations and lies.

Most drug programs that I've seen shy away from showing the gritty reality simply because they know that parents would object. They need to put it right in their faces. Make them uncomfortable. Of course, most of those are worst case scenarios, but it is still a reality and they need to make the kids understand that.

Kids absolutely need the truth and they aren't going to get that from ridiculous programs like DARE. Many of the drugs can be used responsibly, but you and I both know that kids are all about using things excessively. I think you can teach a kid about responsibly using drugs until you are blue in the face, but it most likely won't change anything. I think that all you can really do is present the kids with the truth and the gritty reality of the worst case scenarios. If they still do it after that, they should be responsible for their own actions.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Again, for the most part I think kids (many of these kids were middle schoolers mind you) understand there are risks, but don't know WHAT the risks are. I do agree our current programs are horrible, and that the current stigma that all illegal drugs are the devil is just as bad. The fact that, for example, marijuana isn't legal and TAXED right now is absolutely insane. Think of how much violence there is because of the drug wars in the U.S.? Think of how much this would decrease if selling these drugs were regulated and LEGAL?

Perhaps that would decrease, but other problems would arise. Look at alcohol. Alcohol is legal, but it doesn't change the fact that people abuse the hell out of it. The amount of alcohol related deaths in this country is alarming. I think it would be quite similar with drugs if they were made legal. I also think that many drugs do get demonized still and I think that they need to be more honest about the actual effects and possible results of using these drugs rather than trying to scare people with crap that isn't real.

 

[Kasmos]

Perhaps that would decrease, but other problems would arise. Look at alcohol. Alcohol is legal, but it doesn't change the fact that people abuse the hell out of it. The amount of alcohol related deaths in this country is alarming. I think it would be quite similar with drugs if they were made legal. I also think that many drugs do get demonized still and I think that they need to be more honest about the actual effects and possible results of using these drugs rather than trying to scare people with crap that isn't real.

I agree with the fact that trying to scare people with crap is ridiculous, but I also disagree with your assertation about legalizing drugs. Think of all the countries where cocaine, marijuana, drugs like these, are legal, and how LOW their drug-related crime and death rates are? Is that just a coincidence? Or can America just not handle things like this.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

I agree with the fact that trying to scare people with crap is ridiculous, but I also disagree with your assertation about legalizing drugs. Think of all the countries where cocaine, marijuana, drugs like these, are legal, and how LOW their drug-related crime and death rates are? Is that just a coincidence? Or can America just not handle things like this.

I think that our culture is different. I think that things like that work better in other countries because they are more laid back about a lot of things. Our culture is all about excess and more more more which is why I think that the results would be different here.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

Sweet, get rid of the Taliban and we get a sh!t ton of cheap smack.

 

[Kasmos]

Sorry guys, I completely thought I had put up the link.....

HERE IT IS

 

[TOJ]

The herd needs thinning anyway so what's the problem? Enough of 'em die, the rest will wise up.

 

[Captain America]

Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it....

My generation knew the pitfalls of herion as we seen the previous generation dying off from this deadly drug. There were plenty drugs around back then but heroin was rarely, if ever, seen.

In fact, I have never seen any myself and I was a true-blue stoner back in the day. :3oops:

Now, 30 plus years later, it's time for the new generations to show future generations how deadly smack is, all over again.

That's kinda sad.

 

[RightinNYC]

Moncibais then asked how many students knew a "cheese" user. Just about everyone in the auditorium raised a hand. At one point, when he mentioned that the United States has the highest rate of drug users in the world, the middle schoolers cheered.

That's some high quality parenting going on down there.

 

[jamesrage]

Seems like this stuff is getting smuggled in through the border. Another reason our government needs to step up....

By the way, SgtRock, this one's for you :2wave:

I agree its a border security problem.A lot of the illegal drugs would not make into this country if the government did it's damn job.

 

[Hatuey]

I agree its a border security problem.A lot of the illegal drugs would not make into this country if the government did it's damn job.

Anybody heard of that president guy trying to push for a law that would make illegals just like every other citizen of this country? I forget his name but hell I would hate to be him right about now.