Day 5 testimony [W:334, 619]

[SheWolf]

What do you mean

So the fight didn't happen like Zimmerman claimed it did. Interesting.

 

[ARealConservative]

Oh, I think it has more to do with race, really. People went all bat-crap crazy about a little black kid who was just eating some Skittles getting shot by a "white" guy. I guarantee if the shooter was black and the victim was white, there wouldn't have been an uproar at all. At. All.

my epxerience from friends and family, is it has nothing to do with race. it seems to have more to do with what views people have on gun control.

 

[JackFrost]

They will be back as soon as they interpret something as being in their favor.

Very dark, cops couldn’t see the gun, witnesses couldn’t see the gun – how did Trayvon see the gun?~Guy

 

[Excon]

That is because folks misinterpreted his saying that he had just called to the previous NEN he made.

So, you think there is another 911 call out there? Guess we'll see.

This witness, previously stated that he had heard what sounded like Zimmerman was on the phone, and then a few seconds later that Zimmerman told he had just called.

start @ the 04:00 min mark
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/wp-...n-George-Zimmerman-Audio-W13_FDLE03202012.mp3

Until shown otherwise, that is the evidence.

Just to make this exchange more clear for you.
I was saying the claim wasn't new, as folks misinterpreted what Zimmerman saying as he just called, refereed to his NEN call.
Forgetting, or not paying attention, to the witness saying it sounding like Zimmerman was on the phone.
That is all.

 

[Excon]

Very dark, cops couldn’t see the gun, witnesses couldn’t see the gun – how did Trayvon see the gun?~Guy

Ask him! :mrgreen:

And you might want to actually review what Zimmerman said about what you are referring to, before spouting off.



Also, if you listened to the previous LEO he said it was almost dark. iLOL Which was really funny.

 

[Dapper Andy]

I agree. I cannot see a jury even having a problem making a decision. The evidence is overwhelming in Zimmerman's favor. At least....so far.

It's pretty easy to see why he wasn't even charged until it was made racial.

 

[Knowledge=power]

You seem to forget the Rodney King Riots.

I believe the same will happen (if not worse) if Z is found not guilty. One, because of the use of social media (esp twitter) and two because it was a young black youth.

Exactly. Too many people are rooting for him. He is a martyr at this point.

 

[Knowledge=power]

Let them riot. I'm already on the counter-riot roster the Guard made in preparation for it.

Well, you maybe wearing your riot gear and carrying a shield / baton soon.

 

[Lutherf]

I agree. I cannot see a jury even having a problem making a decision. The evidence is overwhelming in Zimmerman's favor. At least....so far.

I would suggest that you are looking at all of the evidence from a white perspective and have not given any consideration to how that evidence would be viewed from a black perspective. I would further suggest that you are seeking only facts instead of the circumstances surrounding those facts which, in and of themselves, are inherently skewed by racial bias.

 

[Knowledge=power]

Well, here ya go, as if you needed any evidence of what I said would happen.

‘Ima kill me a cracka’: Death threats against George Zimmerman, random white people explode during trial | Twitchy

This link is from another thread in this forum, but I thought it appropriate to link it here as well.

These are twitter posts regarding this case.... see for yourself.

Edit:

It is important to to note at the end of the page how some people are threatening to kill any white person, not just GZ, if he is not convicted. Now you see how serious this actually is. Ridiculous.

 

[bubbabgone]

I dunno, but doesn't it seem like the Prosecutor may be going through the motions given what he has to work with and what he has presented?
I mean, I can easily see that his Office figured they'd better charge Zimmerman so as to try to keep some peace in the region.
So far, his case stinks and he doesn't appear to be getting any help from his witnesses.

 

[What if...?]

if you really dig in, you will see the issue is that some people don't want individuals with guns.

Zimmerman had a gun. he used it. that is all this wing nuts need. how dare he get out of his car and kill an unarmed kid that was bashing his skull in

Yeah, just run around and scare the **** out of people.

Its all good.

 

[What if...?]

Very few Trayvon supporters around recently. I suspect that means something too. Shrug.

I'm waiting for the "walkthrough" stuff.

There never have been witnesses to the key moments.

Z got touched up.

WHY he got touched up remains to be seen.

 

[buck]

I dunno, but doesn't it seem like the Prosecutor may be going through the motions given what he has to work with and what he has presented?
I mean, I can easily see that his Office figured they'd better charge Zimmerman so as to try to keep some peace in the region.
So far, his case stinks and he doesn't appear to be getting any help from his witnesses.

I began thinking that earlier this morning. I really suspect that the prosecutor knows there is no case here and just figured they knew charges had to be filed due to the uproar.

I personally didn't think the charges were justified before, but not until this AM did I start to beleive that even the prosecution realizes charges weren't justified. I gave them the benefit of hte doubt and thought they were doing this as they really thought it was justified.

Bernie was on camera eralier today, and his body language made me think he was just resigned to knowing how this case would turn out.

 

[ARealConservative]

Yeah, just run around and scare the **** out of people.

Its all good.

a scared kid would of went home

 

[Jerry]

Well, you maybe wearing your riot gear and carrying a shield / baton soon.

I was hopping they would let me brake out the Mark-19:

 

[nota bene]

Dershowitz last year:

 

[Excon]

Both eyes watery.

 

[buck]

Both eyes watery.

George's? That's obviously fake. He's an unemotional psychotic killer.

 

[Excon]

George's? That's obviously fake. He's an unemotional psychotic killer.

Wait for it ...
Crocodile ...

 

[What if...?]

my epxerience from friends and family, is it has nothing to do with race. it seems to have more to do with what views people have on gun control.

For me its about standards/responsibility/laws for those who choose to carry death around.

In the hands of a "Jedi", carrying is a good thing.

Not so much for a "Barney Fife".

Do we ste the standards assuming everybody is Jedi?

Or based on the reality that Barney Fifes want to carry too, and may cause problems?

I expect people to be aware of how their actions may be percieved by others.

Z didn't break the law by following M the way he did.

But its disingenuous to claim that a person being followed like Z was following M wouldn't be seriously concerned as to what he was up to.

It isn't illegal to charge at somebody with a fake axe. But if you do and get shot,no court wwoukd convict the shooter.

By FL law, Z "reaching for his phone", after his prior behavior, certainly passes the "reasonable man" test for a non-lethal response from M. It would not be unreasonable to conclued Z was going for a weapon.

The complication here is Z DID have a weapon. So when did M discover this, and why would he NOT assume he was correct in his original conclusion that Z was going for a weapon?

And upon getting into a legitimate self defense situation with an armed person who by all appearances meant to shoot you, when does a "wish to withdraw" become credible? Screaming help while trying to draw a weapon would appear even WORSE to M, as the only "help" Z needs is help shooting you.

My objections are to foolishness and recklessness and failure to consider how your actions affect or may be percieved by others.

Barney Fife mistakes.

The reason he was only allowed one bullet and had to keep it in his pocket.

 

[Dapper Andy]

I would suggest that you are looking at all of the evidence from a white perspective and have not given any consideration to how that evidence would be viewed from a black perspective. I would further suggest that you are seeking only facts instead of the circumstances surrounding those facts which, in and of themselves, are inherently skewed by racial bias.

I don't agree with that but isn't the jury primarily white anyway?

 

[buck]

Another defense witness? I truly don't think the defense will even have to put a defense on. Maybe a few things with forenscis... but other then that? Yeesh.

 

[What if...?]

a scared kid would of went home

You got stats on that or just opinion?

Not trying to be a dick, but people respond differently to different stimuli.

Fog of war and all that.

M didn't go straight home =/= M wasn't afraid.

It simply isn't.

 

[buck]

You got stats on that or just opinion?

Not trying to be a dick, but people respond differently to different stimuli.

Fog of war and all that.

M didn't go straight home =/= M wasn't afraid.

It simply isn't.

The jury will not have stats either. They will have common sense and determine what a reasonable person woudl do. A reasonable person very frightened would run home.