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County Supervisor in California proposes splitting up the golden state!

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Full Article: Could Southern California become the 51st state? | abc7.com
 
I think it could be a good idea for both sides (conservative and liberal). Each will have their own state government. The more liberal North California will have an easier time getting what they want on social issues like gay marriage. The more conservative South California can have a state with their own ideas for taxes ect.
 
GPS_Flex said:
I think we should just give Southern CA to Mexico and be done with it.
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I don't think most Californians would like to eat burritos for breakfast
 
I just started a thread sort of on the same subject. What if they not only didn't want to be part of California anymore, but America as well?
 
GPS_Flex said:
I think we should just give Southern CA to Mexico and be done with it.
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i was born here and have to say that West California is over run with illegals and Mexicans already. The three largest cities are sanctuary's for illegals gays and law breakers of all kinds.


I would vote to form a new State and wa6tch the liberals kill themselves off.


I was born in San Bernardino and raised in San Diego by Conservative Democrats who taught me to think for my self and I have been a life long Republican, who went to school here when California was number one in education and is now # 49.


I welcome that possibility of a change because I live in a Conservative County and the lines of the New State suit me fine.


It's not about Race it's about policy and I want illegals out.


If they were a positive they would be making changes at home not wrecking this State.
 
I would strongly support something like this. The truth is that California has gotten too big to be run like a state; its population is greater than that of many countries. I think California should be at least four states: Northern California (including SanFran/Silicon Valley), the interior, the LA metro area, and the rest of SoCal.

I think each of those regions would do better economically and politically if it didn't face gridlock from the others. And even if they didn't, at least the problems wouldn't metastasize to the rest of California.
 

I don't claim to know much about California, but isn't that backwards? I would've thought NoCal was more conservative that SoCal.
 
Goshin said:
I don't claim to know much about California, but isn't that backwards? I would've thought NoCal was more conservative that SoCal.
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san fran ruins it for them.

Why not just make the cities their own states?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
san fran ruins it for them.

Why not just make the cities their own states?
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Making San Francisco a city state *might* not be a bad idea. Could have it's advantages.
 
Goshin said:
I don't claim to know much about California, but isn't that backwards? I would've thought NoCal was more conservative that SoCal.
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This is the new map that the county supervisor is proposing.



According to him-- Riverside, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Imperial, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties are the ones to make up the South California state.

More Liberal places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be part of the North.
 


I see. I know a few people in NoCal that would be very disappointed to be lumped in with 'Frisco and LA. Maybe they should split in East/West instead... from what I'm hearing the interior is more conservative while most of the coast is lib. Just a thought. :shrug:


Of course, I don't think there's more than 1% chance of this happening. Isn't there something in the Constitution about states not being split into more states? (I'll have to get my copy out and look I guess....)
 
My family has almost moved to Cali twice and we have family from there. It seems that the larger cities (with the exception of San Diego) are very liberal. San Francisco and LA are both large liberal cities. Northern cities like Redding and cities in the valley are far more conservative. I would support splitting California into two different states. It's large as it is, the political scene is very polarized, and if the people support it then I see no problem with it.
 
Goshin said:
I see. I know a few people in NoCal that would be very disappointed to be lumped in with 'Frisco
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None of the actual Northern Californians refer to the city as "Frisco". It's only the tourists who do so.
 
Kandahar said:
I think California should be at least four states: Northern California (including SanFran/Silicon Valley), the interior, the LA metro area, and the rest of SoCal.
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.... and have 6 more idiots in the US Senate?

No thanks.
 
BDBoop said:
Why is more representation a bad thing.
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It's not, but I think the point was trying to stack the senate with Dems. I don't think it would be necessary to include Sanfran with the rest of northern Cali. They are political opposite and SanFran really has no business being clumped in with them if they are wanting to divide the state. It would be like dividing Texas into 4 states and ensuring that 8 more Senate Republicans get elected. I can't support gerrymandering with state lines.
 

Its definitely an east/west thing for me.

As a lifelong San Diegan I can say that even here, which is pretty traditonal conservative overall, there's a distinct increase in conservatism the farther you go inland.

If the map in the thread was the one up for consideration I'd fight hard against it to avoid being lumped in with all those "inlanders"!
 
Get a giant sawzall, seperate it at the borders, hit it with a bottle of champaign, and kick it out to sea....

j-mac
 

Agreed. The liberal communities are lined along the Pacific coast and the interior is the opposite, so I think the East/West idea would be better than this North/South proposal.
 

It was not my intention to stack the Senate when I suggested California be broken into 4 states. In fact, that is probably unlikely to happen. California already has two Democratic senators; if you divided the state according to the boundaries I suggested that balance would be unlikely to change very much. NoCal would probably elect two Democrats, the interior would probably elect two Republicans, the LA metro area would probably elect two Democrats, and SoCal would be a "swing state" that could go either way. So the ultimate result of breaking it into four states would probably be that the Democrats were still +2 senators (give or take one) for the region.

The reason that California should be broken apart has nothing to do with the federal government, and everything to do with the fact that California is simply too big and ungovernable to be run like a state.
 
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j-mac said:
Get a giant sawzall, seperate it at the borders, hit it with a bottle of champaign, and kick it out to sea....

j-mac
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That would actually be awesome!
 
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