Could Germany Have Won WWII?[W:513] (1 Viewer)

[mikeey]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Big tom yes, and we brits should have help them and taken russia,turned about to take America whitch we owned

kind regards

mikeey

 

[Uzidoesit]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Germany couldn't have won anything permanently. They were out of ammunition, manpower and the will to go on, and all and assorted and assundry needs to continue any kind of campaign.

The USA joining in was the frosting on the "cake'.

Russia's defeat of the Nazi's on the eastern front rendered the Nazi's impotent to gain the land and materials they so much needed.

 

[mikeey]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Usidoesit not on your life,if the scots and irish,also the english would have joined germany we would have one,who do u think it supplied the russians,Roosevelt did not want to no,

the german and the uk would have taken u apart,no probs about that,the british empire and hitler would have blowning u guys away,newyork would have been going round the moon,

in the middle of no where,u ppl are so lucky.

take care that u have us

mikeey

 

[Uzidoesit]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Usidoesit not on your life,if the scots and irish,also the english would have joined germany we would have one,who do u think it supplied the russians,Roosevelt did not want to no,

the german and the uk would have taken u apart,no probs about that,the british empire and hitler would have blowning u guys away,newyork would have been going round the moon,

in the middle of no where,u ppl are so lucky.

take care that u have us

mikeey

Balderdash!!!!

 

[Higgins86]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Usidoesit not on your life,if the scots and irish,also the english would have joined germany we would have one,who do u think it supplied the russians,Roosevelt did not want to no,

the german and the uk would have taken u apart,no probs about that,the british empire and hitler would have blowning u guys away,newyork would have been going round the moon,

in the middle of no where,u ppl are so lucky.

take care that u have us

mikeey

are you ok? Do you need to sit down?

 

[Uzidoesit]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Usidoesit not on your life,if the scots and irish,also the english would have joined germany we would have one,who do u think it supplied the russians,Roosevelt did not want to no,

the german and the uk would have taken u apart,no probs about that,the british empire and hitler would have blowning u guys away,newyork would have been going round the moon,

in the middle of no where,u ppl are so lucky.

take care that u have us

mikeey

Um. I think I need a translator or interpreter. I actually cannot make any of this bable out.

 

[Higgins86]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Um. I think I need a translator or interpreter. I actually cannot make any of this bable out.

im british as well and I have no idea what he's talking about....

 

[Rosie1]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

I just saw the movie Red Tails last week. I didn't realize the Germans invented the jet airplane.

As I understand, America was in a race with the Germans to invent the Atom Bomb. I believe we were also using scientists that had left their regime. So, yes the Germans could have possibly won, if they had invented the bomb first and dropped it on us. Why the US dropped the bomb on Japan instead of Germany, Germany was pretty close to done in the war, when we did, and Japan wasn't. Japan was an island also, and dropping it on Germany, would have had consequences throughout Europe. ?? If Germany had dropped the bomb on the US, they would have also had to deal with Brittain, and Russia's vastness. So, ??

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

I just saw the movie Red Tails last week. I didn't realize the Germans invented the jet airplane.

As I understand, America was in a race with the Germans to invent the Atom Bomb. I believe we were also using scientists that had left their regime. So, yes the Germans could have possibly won, if they had invented the bomb first and dropped it on us. Why the US dropped the bomb on Japan instead of Germany, Germany was pretty close to done in the war, when we did, and Japan wasn't. Japan was an island also, and dropping it on Germany, would have had consequences throughout Europe. ?? If Germany had dropped the bomb on the US, they would have also had to deal with Brittain, and Russia's vastness. So, ??

Most people don't realize that WWII created uncountable inventions. Along with military inventions such as the jet fighter (Germany, as well as the US and the UK, had them), helicopters, emergency ejection sheets, long-range missiles (the Germans invented the Vergeltungswaffe 1 and 2, otherwise known as the V1 and the V2 and launched thousands of them against London without much success due to low damage), and of course, the atomic bomb as well as huge advancement in other objects such as the radar, tanks, etc... Many civilian inventions are also thanks to WWII, such as the ballpoint pen, the electronic computer, nylon, the jeep, and numerous others.
As for the myth that Germany was close to getting the Atomic bomb, it's one of the most famous WWII exaggerated lies among how Hitler was a genius, etc... It lost its top scientists in atomic research, and Einstein was the one who convinced Roosevelt to develop the bomb. Germany although it was developing atomic research, was at least a decade away from getting it. It's like how saying Germany would have owned a huge fleet of aircraft carriers, because it had one-the Graf Zeppelin.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

I just saw the movie Red Tails last week. I didn't realize the Germans invented the jet airplane.

As I understand, America was in a race with the Germans to invent the Atom Bomb. I believe we were also using scientists that had left their regime. So, yes the Germans could have possibly won, if they had invented the bomb first and dropped it on us. Why the US dropped the bomb on Japan instead of Germany, Germany was pretty close to done in the war, when we did, and Japan wasn't. Japan was an island also, and dropping it on Germany, would have had consequences throughout Europe. ?? If Germany had dropped the bomb on the US, they would have also had to deal with Brittain, and Russia's vastness. So, ??

Most people don't realize that WWII created uncountable inventions. Along with military inventions such as the jet fighter (Germany, as well as the US and the UK, had them), helicopters, emergency ejection sheets, long-range missiles (the Germans invented the Vergeltungswaffe 1 and 2, otherwise known as the V1 and the V2 and launched thousands of them against London without much success due to low damage), and of course, the atomic bomb as well as huge advancement in other objects such as the radar, tanks, etc... Many civilian inventions are also thanks to WWII, such as the ballpoint pen, the electronic computer, nylon, the jeep, and numerous others.
As for the myth that Germany was close to getting the Atomic bomb, it's one of the most famous WWII exaggerated lies among how Hitler was a genius, etc... It lost its top scientists in atomic research, and Einstein was the one who convinced Roosevelt to develop the bomb. Germany although it was developing atomic research, was at least a decade away from getting it. It's like how saying Germany would have owned a huge fleet of aircraft carriers, because it had one-the Graf Zeppelin.

 

[Uzidoesit]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Germans make good stuffs. Ovens, for example, eh??? Not to mention, chemicals.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

I just saw the movie Red Tails last week. I didn't realize the Germans invented the jet airplane.

As I understand, America was in a race with the Germans to invent the Atom Bomb. I believe we were also using scientists that had left their regime. So, yes the Germans could have possibly won, if they had invented the bomb first and dropped it on us. Why the US dropped the bomb on Japan instead of Germany, Germany was pretty close to done in the war, when we did, and Japan wasn't. Japan was an island also, and dropping it on Germany, would have had consequences throughout Europe. ?? If Germany had dropped the bomb on the US, they would have also had to deal with Brittain, and Russia's vastness. So, ??

Hans Von Ohain (sp?) and Frank Whittle developed the jet engine independently at the same time. Wittle patented the design first, but Germany produced the first production jet plane. An American air Force officer present at the UK tests in 1941 asked for, and was given, the entire plans and paperwork for Whittle's invention by the UK government, without reference to the inventor!

The foreign scientists America used to develop the Bomb were the British ones who first drew the blueprints and ran feasibility studies before the start of WW2. Far from developing it alone, America had British assistance throughout.

" ...Perrin’s brief history described how the first blueprint for the weapon was written in Britain and how the first feasibility studies were carried out at British universities by British scientists. He told how all the data and discoveries were given freely and promptly to the Americans, even before they entered the war, and how in 1941 Winston Churchill established a British A-bomb programme. Then, as the vastly bigger US Manhattan Project got under way after Pearl Harbor, Perrin explained how most of Britain’s top bomb scientists transferred to the United States.

What he did not say, though he might have, was that once in America these scientists made vital contributions to bomb design and were involved right up to the final stages – it was a professor from Imperial College, London who calculated the optimum height for the detonation of the bombs over Japan.... "

Britain and the atomic bomb | openDemocracy

You might be thinking of the German scientists like Von Braun, whose crimes were overlooked in order to harness their knowledge in ICBMs and the Space programme.

 

[Matt Foley]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

If Hitler quadrupled pilot training; and not penetrate too deep into the USSR unless encircling, using land for time, he could have won. He also should have armed the anti-Communist forces who volunteered in the millions.

 

[Matt Foley]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Of if they deployed them better... not engaging in Stalingrad, for instance. Gaining the oil fields instead. Deploying without attacking Poland, etc. ??

You can't take the oil fields without taking Stalingrad. Southern Army Group could have easily been encircled by a Soviet Force based in Stalingrade, while they were screwing around near the Caspain Sea.

 

[Matt Foley]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Not to mention that the reserves and the soldiers in the Siberian divisions were elite soldiers of the Red Army. It was about the 12 Siberian divisions that arrived in Moscow that changed the tide and pushed the Germans off the suburbs of Moscow. They were equipped with excellent snow gear, skis, modern T-34s, etc...

Where were they in the Finish War?

 

[Higgins86]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Germans make good stuffs. Ovens, for example, eh??? Not to mention, chemicals.

or cars....

 

[Harshaw]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

History happens because people make choices, and they make their choices based on who they are.

In a very real sense, history can only happen one way. Counterfactual histories are fun, but ultimately pointless, because it's the choices people make in response to their circumstances which drive history. You can say "if if if if" they would have decided to do something different all day long, but they didn't, because it's not who they were. In order for history to happen differently, you need different people. And if you have different people, the same circumstances wouldn't repeat themselves, so history would not only be different, it would bear very little resmeblence to what we know, and the point would be mostly moot. Less, the further back you go to make the change.

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

I just saw the movie Red Tails last week. I didn't realize the Germans invented the jet airplane.

As I understand, America was in a race with the Germans to invent the Atom Bomb. I believe we were also using scientists that had left their regime. So, yes the Germans could have possibly won, if they had invented the bomb first and dropped it on us. Why the US dropped the bomb on Japan instead of Germany, Germany was pretty close to done in the war, when we did, and Japan wasn't. Japan was an island also, and dropping it on Germany, would have had consequences throughout Europe. ?? If Germany had dropped the bomb on the US, they would have also had to deal with Brittain, and Russia's vastness. So, ??

We didn't use the bomb on Germany because they surrendered two months before the first atomic bomb test. It would have been cruel to use it on them after they had surrendered.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

You can't take the oil fields without taking Stalingrad. Southern Army Group could have easily been encircled by a Soviet Force based in Stalingrade, while they were screwing around near the Caspain Sea.

Sure they could have. Stalingrad had limited strategic value and could have been bypassed by the Germans or encircled as the they went on to take the oil fields. If they had taken the oil fields then that would have helped them in attaining Stalingrad, had they chosen that objective.

 

[lizzie]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Germans make good stuffs. Ovens, for example, eh??? Not to mention, chemicals.

Damn straight they make good stuff. I collect old air rifles, and Germans are the ones I look for. Their workmanship and engineering is excellent.

 

[Matt Foley]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

History happens because people make choices, and they make their choices based on who they are.

In a very real sense, history can only happen one way. Counterfactual histories are fun, but ultimately pointless, because it's the choices people make in response to their circumstances which drive history. You can say "if if if if" they would have decided to do something different all day long, but they didn't, because it's not who they were. In order for history to happen differently, you need different people. And if you have different people, the same circumstances wouldn't repeat themselves, so history would not only be different, it would bear very little resmeblence to what we know, and the point would be mostly moot. Less, the further back you go to make the change.

if if if is what wargaming is all about.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Where were they in the Finish War?

Siberia? You can't compare the Winter War to the Great Patriotic War. There were only a few divisions and some odd brigades committed to Finland.
Also, I fail to see the relevance

 

[Matt Foley]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Siberia? You can't compare the Winter War to the Great Patriotic War. There were only a few divisions and some odd brigades committed to Finland.
Also, I fail to see the relevance

If the Siberian brigades were so effective in winter weather, why weren't they used in the Finish War?

 

[Jredbaron96]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

If the Siberian brigades were so effective in winter weather, why weren't they used in the Finish War?

Because Stalin never predicted actual resistance. On paper, the Leningrad district should have been able to defeat the Finns.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Re: Could Germany Have Won WWII?

Because Stalin never predicted actual resistance. On paper, the Leningrad district should have been able to defeat the Finns.

Perfect answer. Stalin only threw 35 infantry divisions to Finland and 6 tank brigades. Nobody expected a big war