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[Andalublue]

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Good luck to the RAF, come home safe lads and ladies.

Happy to second that!

 

[gunner]

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Please do not sully the Scottish people by using the term "UK". 56 Scottish MPs voted against raining more bombs on Syria, 3 supported the English Tories.
For links on the Syrian deaths of children and civilians in the weeks to come, pay attention to reports that will soon follow.

But the contribution of the UK, is just a drop in the ocean, remember. I've got to say after watching most of the debate, how out of their depth most of the SNP looked.

 

[gunner]

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Jeremy Corbyn spoke for decent peace-loving English people.

I take offence to that. I would love nothing more, than peace in the region. Unfortunately, we have unfinished business, and I'd rather not shy away from responsibility and hope the bad guys eat me last!

 

[Heinrich]

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I take offence to that. I would love nothing more, than peace in the region. Unfortunately, we have unfinished business, and I'd rather not shy away from responsibility and hope the bad guys eat me last!

Be in no doubt, the English will be responsible for any civilian deaths they cause in Syria.

 

[gunner]

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Be in no doubt, the English will be responsible for any civilian deaths they cause in Syria.

Hell, lets not blame the barbaric knuckle draggers, running amok around the region.

 

[Manc Skipper]

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Be in no doubt, the English will be responsible for any civilian deaths they cause in Syria.

Under the butcher's apron... Curiously, I never heard that expression used growing up in Edinburgh.

 

[gunner]

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Labour MPs who voted yes, have come in for some pretty unpleasant abuse:Burnham calls for Labour action against social media bullying of MPs - Burnham calls for Labour action against social media bullying of MPs - BBC News

Corbyn says he wants a friendly politics. The guy is losing a grip on events to do with the Labour Party. I can see an implosion imminent.

 

[gunner]

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Comment: Hilary Benn showed us what Labour is missing | Left Foot Forward

A good piece.

 

[Andalublue]

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Comment: Hilary Benn showed us what Labour is missing | Left Foot Forward

A good piece.

So wrong in most areas. Here's the only thing it got right:

The debate started on a poor note. The prime minister failed to give a clear explanation of his figure that 70,000 moderate Syrians were ready to provide the boots on the ground needed to back up air strikes.

His decision not to apologise for his remarks that those opposed to military action were somehow ‘terrorist sympathisers’ was also an error of judgement that diminished the standing of the office that David Cameron holds.

Then it all went tits up. This, for example:

But worst of all has been his attitude to his parliamentary colleagues. Yes, he called for an atmosphere of tolerance as MP after MP has faced abuse for supporting military intervention in Syria, but it was he that sent Labour MPs to face the wolves last weekend, leaving them to stew. It was shameful.

He not only called for an attitude of tolerance, but he allowed a free vote, something that the sainted Tony never allowed the anti-war MPs of 2003. In fact Blair blackmailed his MPs to support the war by threatening to resign if the vote was lost.

And what 'sent Labour MPs to face the wolves last weekend' actually means is anyone's guess.

Once again, we've got a diversion going on - scribblers spending more time on dissecting internal Labour politics than focusing on the nation being dragged further into yet another unplanned, unstrategised, unwinnable war. Fortunately there are sensible heads on both left and right and in the centre that see things more clearly than Cameron, Benn and the war party.

From the right, Tory MP David Davis: Should Parliament endorse UK airstrikes in Syria

Despite the brave words of the prime minister, we will add very little to the military impact. Besides, military actions by themselves are not enough. The best lesson here is the spectacularly successful military action that we and the Americans carried out when we completely wiped out al-Qaida in Iraq. We simply created the vacuum that was then filled by Isis, because we did not fix the politics first.

From the centre, veteran Times columnist, Simon Jenkins: It's Cameron, not Corbyn who's the terrorist appeaser

Nothing so undermined the prime minister’s plausibility yesterday as his refusal simply and briskly to withdraw the smear that his opponents were “terrorist sympathisers”. It suggested a man so nervous of his case as to be unable to give any quarter. It also opened him to the counter-smear, that his own relentless deployment of the politics of fear makes him terrorism’s “useful idiot”.

From the left, the redoubtable Polly Toynbee: Some MPs have agonised over Syria. But many are fighting other wars

Hilary Benn’s rousing talk of Nazis and General Franco helps not one jot. Moral certainties we have in abundance, but how will they sound if the depressing reality is that ousting Isis can only be done with filthy moral compromise with Iran, Vladimir Putin and murderous Bashar al-Assad?

 

[William Rea]

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Labour MPs who voted yes, have come in for some pretty unpleasant abuse:Burnham calls for Labour action against social media bullying of MPs - Burnham calls for Labour action against social media bullying of MPs - BBC News

Corbyn says he wants a friendly politics. The guy is losing a grip on events to do with the Labour Party. I can see an implosion imminent.

The poor souls, I feel for them.

 

[Nilly]

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Can someone please explain to me how further bombing the country that the refugees are fleeing from is in any way going to reduce the numbers of refugees fleeing from said country? Clearly I'm missing something here.

 

[gunner]

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The poor souls, I feel for them.

Don't worry yourself, the purge will start soon. Livingston has already called for deselection. The commies are back!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ging-mps-who-backed-air-strikes-a3129256.html

Labour is in utter turmoil.

 

[Higgins86]

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Can someone please explain to me how further bombing the country that the refugees are fleeing from is in any way going to reduce the numbers of refugees fleeing from said country? Clearly I'm missing something here.

Well if they can stabilise the region people won't have to flee.

 

[Viv]

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Can someone please explain to me how further bombing the country that the refugees are fleeing from is in any way going to reduce the numbers of refugees fleeing from said country? Clearly I'm missing something here.

You are. Call me cynical, but it's called "Putin is going to steal the oil from under us. We better show face before any deals are made without us".

The cover is, we have better munitions. Brimstone, Storm Shadow, allegedly target better than other missiles already in use.

 

[Viv]

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Don't worry yourself, the purge will start soon. Livingston has already called for deselection. The commies are back!

Ken Livingstone fuels Labour deselection row by challenging MPs who backed air strikes | Politics | News | London Evening Standard

Labour is in utter turmoil.

I watched some of that yesterday, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't even hold the floor, he was shouted down continually. They tried the same with Cameron, but he beat them all back.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

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Please do not sully the Scottish people by using the term "UK". ~

You are aware Scots join the UK military in large numbers?

Because he'd admit anything else. "Erm yes, we killed 250 civilians during our strikes". Sorry IC, but you and Gunner are being overly credulous, I guess because of your links to the military. The fact is that we are not always told the truth by our military leaders, as I suspect Chilcott will confirm when he finally reports.

I would expect a professional military man to be military Andy; especially from an advanced nation where accountability is expected.

To deliberately mislead a national broadcasting service of the same nation would be pretty serious.

~ But the vote would have either gone the other way, or the government would never have put it to a vote. ~

The latter Andy. The govt canvassed opinion and went to debate knowing there would be a large number of labour supporters.

The information above was released by Ministry of Defence, and on following the debate, I thought this one worth adding. Please note that I highlighted in bold the portion of text I believe relevant. The point being, the RAF airstrikes were not and could not be verified. Hence, I find it difficult to ignore the possibility that some killed were in fact civilians.

As is clear from following the debate, it is official, and the RAF will commence airstrikes in Syria. They will do the job required of them to the best of their ability, and I am certain they will do their very best to avoid any civilian casualties. Should any civilian casualties result from their action, I trust most will agree with me that they will not be to blame. The blame will rest squarely on the shoulders of those who ordered then in.

OK, I'll call your bluff. Where does it say there actually were civilian casualties of RAF airstrikes?

 

[Wiggen]

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I take offence to that. I would love nothing more, than peace in the region. Unfortunately, we have unfinished business, and I'd rather not shy away from responsibility and hope the bad guys eat me last!

It's called 'the simplistic approach to the world'. Just proclaim how peaceful you are and the evil will leave you alone.

 

[Wiggen]

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Don't worry yourself, the purge will start soon. Livingston has already called for deselection. The commies are back!

Ken Livingstone fuels Labour deselection row by challenging MPs who backed air strikes | Politics | News | London Evening Standard

Labour is in utter turmoil.

This far left, communist leaning strain of British politics has always been a bit frightening. Sadly, these tools of the despots have now assumed control of a major political party in Britain.

 

[Wiggen]

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Be in no doubt, the English will be responsible for any civilian deaths they cause in Syria.

You really are a simpleton when it comes to the UK, aren't you?

 

[Phoenix One UK]

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OK, I'll call your bluff. Where does it say there actually were civilian casualties of RAF airstrikes?

What bluff? If you examine the post referred you will note it included a MOD document link, and my quote was extracted from that document. Further, I did not say there were any civilian casualties. What I did say was that possibility could not be ignored, and the MOD document referred to supports that view.

 

[Heinrich]

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You are aware Scots join the UK military in large numbers?

Learn the distinction between Scottish enlisted men and the English politicians who send them to war.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

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What bluff? If you examine the post referred you will note it included a MOD document link, and my quote was extracted from that document. Further, I did not say there were any civilian casualties. What I did say was that possibility could not be ignored, and the MOD document referred to supports that view.

It commits neither one way nor the other. It's like those stories where the S.A.S are supposed to have been involved in some event and there is no confirmation one way or another.

Learn the distinction between Scottish enlisted men and the English politicians who send them to war.

Teach me, first you say the UK wants to bomb and kill, then you try and make out Scots have no part and then when that didn't work you now want to pretend they are sent to war by English politicians...

DO you know what nationality Gordon Brown was when P.M?

 

[Phoenix One UK]

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It commits neither one way nor the other. It's like those stories where the S.A.S are supposed to have been involved in some event and there is no confirmation one way or another.

My posted quote was as follow, and the MoD document supports what I said.

The information above was released by Ministry of Defence, and on following the debate, I thought this one worth adding. Please note that I highlighted in bold the portion of text I believe relevant. The point being, the RAF airstrikes were not and could not be verified. Hence, I find it difficult to ignore the possibility that some killed were in fact civilians.

Extract from MoD document:

At Annex A please find attached the information requested in your email of 25 May 2015. Please be aware that the figures for enemy combatants killed by RAF airstrikes have not been verified because the UK can not visit strike sites and conduct detailed investigations on the ground such that the numbers of deaths can be categorically determined. They are estimated figures only.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

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My posted quote was as follow, and the MoD document supports what I said.

[/sigh] And so we go back to my comment - it commits neither one way nor the oth............................................................. just re-read post 147 till it makes sense to you.

 

[Phoenix One UK]

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[/sigh] And so we go back to my comment - it commits neither one way nor the oth............................................................. just re-read post 147 till it makes sense to you.

Exactly. That was what I said. They do not know if any civilians were killed. How could they.