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Conservatives: should we remove the Statue of Liberty poem?

Conservatives: should we remove the Statue of Liberty poem?


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Meanwhile, your state taxpayers (meaning you) are footing tax bills for the illegal immigrants to the tune of 6,846$ per taxpayer.
You miss my point. I don't disagree with enforcement of immigration laws. It's the gestapo way it's being done, that people are (including myself) are fed up with.

They can take my share of the $45 million for the parade and put it towards the $6,846.
 
You miss my point. I don't disagree with enforcement of immigration laws. It's the gestapo way it's being done, that people are (including myself) are fed up with.

They can take my share of the $45 million for the parade and put it towards the $6,846.
Horseshit. ICE officials have ALWAYS raided places where illegal immigrants are. Obama raided places and deported 5 MILLION...PROUDLY...without 'due process' and nary a ****ing word of dissent from leftists. This is all fabricated bullshit poutrage done for political gain by people that dont give a **** about the damage they are doing to the country the country, pandering to mindless leftists that are all too eager to swallow it.
 
As has been shown...they make up an even larger portion of the crippled dependent leftist party base...and they are costing cities billions to house and feed them.

That hasn't been shown. Pick a lane here. Are they taking our jobs and sending the money back home? Or are they disabled and unemployed beggars relying on a handout? Those are incompatible caricatures you have there.

There is no net benefit to the country.

There objectively is.


they are sending money OUT of our economy.

But not as much as the value of the labour they are bringing in. Do you hire someone to install an swimming pool in your house for $50 dollars and then complain about what a drain on your personal finances they are because they are sending that $50 home to feed their family? You got a swimming pool installed for $50. You aren't the victim in that situation. You made out like a bandit.
 
Seems pretty incompatible with your views on immigration and American greatness. Would you support removing the poem?

“Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
I think this poll is somewhat flawed since most MAGA do not form opinions so much as receive them pre-packaged from the media in the form of talking points, and thus far Donald has not weighted in on the matter.

Were he to hypothetically suggest that it be removed, then 100% of our local MAGA - including all the ones who voted 'No' - would immediately change their vote to 'Yes' in order to remain compliant with Donald's edicts. Since has not yet stated a position on this subject, their votes should be considered unanchored and stochastic in nature.
 
I just bought a t shirt with the opening lines on it to go with my Gulf of Mexico and Harvard t shirts.

The point being that expressing support for perfectly normal and stable things is now a form of protest.


Those icons where treated as a threat in the 60's....

because they were.
 
When was this time when only white people were coming to this country?
Pre-1965, the majority of immigrants to the United States were white people predominantly from Europe.

When that began shifting, MAGA such as yourself began to grow uncomfortable with the darker skinned people eating at the same restaurants, living in your neighborhoods etc. as you did.
 
Immigration is fine !
Illegal Immigration is AGAINST THE LAW !.....

What's so hard about that for you to grasp ?

"Helping people out" is not done by allowing them to be criminals!

So how about this, would you want America to go invade, and install a new Government in other countries
as a means of helping all these "tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" ?

We could set up The BEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT ! A Constitutional Republic, and we'll have more land to
take care of the worlds tired, poor, and huddled masses !

Should we invade all these countries where all these people are coming from ?.....
Donald is not interested in your little opinions on legal immigration. If he wants it ended, then that is his decision to make, and you are expected to stay in your lane and blindly support him. Your anti-MAGA "immigration is fine!" claims are going to put you on a fast track to RINO land if you're not careful, so please reconsider any further attempts to cross Donald. He does not tolerate disloyalty from his foot soldiers.
 
The Libknutt poem
Give us your
Human traffickers
Drug dealers
Wife betters
Rapists
Pedophiles
Murderers
Welfare moochers
Marxist crackpots
 
Pre-1965, the majority of immigrants to the United States were white people predominantly from Europe.

When that began shifting, MAGA such as yourself began to grow uncomfortable with the darker skinned people eating at the same restaurants, living in your neighborhoods etc. as you did.

So it was a made up story. A fairy tale. That poster does that a lot, and you seem determined to carry on the tradition.
 
Seems pretty incompatible with your views on immigration and American greatness. Would you support removing the poem?

“Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Our "view on immigration" You mean like having a lawful process to decide whether an applicant is allow to enter? You do know that the the Statue of Liberal looks down on Ellis Island where immigrants from Europe were screened BEFORE being allowed to enter, right?
 
So it was a made up story. A fairy tale. That poster does that a lot, and you seem determined to carry on the tradition.
Yes, your claims were a made up story given to you through the mainstream conservative media by Donald J. Trump.

He winds you up, and off you go.
 
Seems pretty incompatible with your views on immigration and American greatness. Would you support removing the poem?

“Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
No, why?

Have we stopped allowing immigration into our country? Have we stopped being a beacon to those poor, tired, and hungry in the world? They're still clambering to get to this country, correct?

Should we just not have borders? Anyone who can make it to our shores can just stroll in, no process?
 
Yes, your claims were a made up story given to you through the mainstream conservative media by Donald J. Trump.

He winds you up, and off you go.

Which claims of mine are you referring to?
 
I guess it depends on what you mean by “enjoyable life”. If it means a continually improving economic situation, then almost all developed economies in the world today are realizing that immigrants are needed- otherwise it's just economic stagnation. Even countries traditionally closed to immigration and the outside world are embracing it. They realize it is impossible to stay competitive in today's world economically (and therefore geopolitically) without immigration.



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But perhaps you meant something other than economically?

An enjoyable and safe life includes the general economic welfare of the existing American people. Using South Korea as a hypothetical and thought experiment, suppose that everyone is employed working for or in a business.

As we know, production is a function of land, capital and labor. The "need" (better put is "want") in British Hong Kong was for more land, for India it was more capital, and let's say for South Korea its more labor. Those business people in South Korea may have the land and the capital to start a new or expanded business in order to sell more "widgets" to domestic and foreign consumers but they need workers at a lower labor price.

The capitalist has two options: bring in laborers who will accept lower wages OR go to the laborers. In going to the labor pool of another country the capitalist will use their capital to expand or start their business there, say in Vietnam.

The South Korean business owners (shareholders) will profit regardless. It will make no difference to the lives of South Korean population if they are all ready at full employment. Yes, if the laborers come to South Korea, they and the business owners will also absorb the profits just as the same folks would do so if the businss were in Vietnam. All other things being equal, it does not matter.

What does matter is the effect on the native born South Korean laborer, ie, lower wages for less skilled South Koreans. While the optimal economic efficiency is to let both labor and capital flow freely to optimize production, the distribution of those benefits makes some winners and others losers.

In other words, the added wealth goes to the immigrant laborer and the capitalist, not the laboring class of South Korea. However the social costs are borne by the SK laboring class in affordable housing, and all the other externalities I listed previously

Indeed, the South Korean laboring class would be better off if the South Korean capitalist invested in Vietnam and employed labor there as the capitalists would be equally rewarded but not at the cost of the South Korean worker in either social support or in other social costs.

Finally, a word of caution on statistics. An incerease in immigration that causes an increase in GDP isn't what it seems when it does not increase the per capita GDP. In other words, the immigrant is then barely paying for themselves and no other.

And I would add, this particular excercise makes assumptions about a stable ratio of working and tax payer class and stable sized cohort of retired and non workers. In that case, we have to expand our discussion.
 
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The ones you made in #87.

Oh. You're referencing where you showed the other poster just made something up.

Yeah. Thanks for helping with that.
 
Oh. You're referencing where you showed the other poster just made something up.

Yeah. Thanks for helping with that.
No, I'm referring to the one where you showed that you just made something up.

As for why you randomly made things up, I am not sure, but MAGA does live in that weird alternate reality where the Haitians eat cats and windmills cause cancer, so it's likely that the media can make you believe anything.
 
No, I'm referring to the one where you showed that you just made something up.

As for why you randomly made things up, I am not sure, but MAGA does live in that weird alternate reality where the Haitians eat cats and windmills cause cancer, so it's likely that the media can make you believe anything.

So did the other poster make up his story, or did you make up your story that contradicted him? I have to admit, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
Horseshit. ICE officials have ALWAYS raided places where illegal immigrants are. Obama raided places and deported 5 MILLION...PROUDLY...without 'due process' and nary a ****ing word of dissent from leftists. This is all fabricated bullshit poutrage done for political gain by people that dont give a **** about the damage they are doing to the country the country, pandering to mindless leftists that are all too eager to swallow it.
You’re not ready to listen to reason. Have a good night.
 
Why do you insist on thinking illegal immigration is the same as legal immigration? We absolutely do welcome immigrants who come to our country legally.
Like when you said they were eating the dogs?

You're just as hateful to legal immigrants. In fact, you people have been spun up so hard on immigration that you no longer even recognize the difference between illegal and legal immigration. When the nonsense about Haitians came up, you people shrieked about illegals.
 
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