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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq;_ylt=Audq_5kJVdhbJDU4c4Zi4t6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--"He asked me to send Congress a message — stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message — that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.
"He asked me to send Congress a message — stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message — that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.
scottyz said:
The fiery, emotional debate climaxed when Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, the most junior member of the House, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.
"He asked me to send Congress a message — stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message — that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.
Yeah, great going by Congress' newest member. Her remarks were booed louder than anyone can ever remember. So loudly that microphones were shut off for 10 minutes while the Republican leadership pulled her aside.cnredd said:Maybe that comment would be a little more credible if you showed the forum members that do not read the article whom "he" is referring to...That was pretty sneaky...
A Marine colonel said that...The Rep. is just repeading what the colonel's position was.
Now I'd like to see how those who ploclaim Murtha's military infallibilty will respond to what the Marine colonels believes...
Will you side with the one who has a political arena to worry about or one who either does(which makes him even with Murtha) or doesn't(which would make him more credible)...
I've read that dems are likely to vote against this pullout because it's not what Murtha proposed.superskippy said:It is an excellent, excellent political manuever. The Republicans whatever you may think of them, are about to pull off an amazing political stunt and manuver. I'll break it down.
By calling this vote it forces people to take a stance, the Republicans will most likely vote to stay in Iraq, and the Democrats have 3 options. To vote to stay and then become crushed by hypocracy of the war they are arguing against .(Regardless of the fact that is makes an untrue statement.) They can vote to leave and then be exposed to attacks of having no faith in the troops, not supporting the troops, and beiong cowardly etc. Or they can abstain which opens them up to what I like to call Charlie Brown Syndrome. They look wishy washy, after a few years and constant debating to abstain shows a terrible conclusion that they have either no real opinion, or are afraid to post an opinion, or have no idea.
Rep. Murtha is speaking on C-Span right now. He's making a very powerful argument...scottyz said:I've read that dems are likely to vote against this pullout because it's not what Murtha proposed.
I did not not condone nor try to defend the personal comments made by Scmidt's "source" pertaining to Murtha himself...I was pointing out that the original poster did not refer to the source when using the [quotes]...Who was the "he" in the article?...That's what was answered...26 X World Champs said:Yeah, great going by Congress' newest member. Her remarks were booed louder than anyone can ever remember. So loudly that microphones were shut off for 10 minutes while the Republican leadership pulled her aside.
Jean Schmidt then went back in front of the Congress and asked that her remarks be stricken from the record. She was totally and thoroughly humiliated, justifiably so. She viciously attacked another member of Congress who also happens to be an extremely decorated war hero from Korea & Vietnam.
The debate is on C-Span right now, and it's invigorating to see the Dems fighting back.
For anyone here to now defend Jean Schmidt's remark means, IMHO, that you are defending the vicious attack on a war hero and are OK with the acrimony that it's caused today in Washington.
Republicans are really feeling the heat these days, what a pleasure to see their come upance.
cnredd said:...A Marine colonel said that...The Rep. is just repeading what the colonel's position was....
I saw that too...Right before I hit the showers, I saw there were 5 "for" votes... 2(R) & 3(D)...scottyz said:3 Dems voted for a immediate pull out. It appeared in the preliminary results on CSPAN that 2 Repubs voted for pullout too, but changed their vote?
*sigh*...TimmyBoy said:Well, lawmakers rejected calls for an Iraq pullout, which I agree with, just disagreed with going in their to begin with. I personally think it would have been better to have gone in during Desert Storm when we had about 500,000+ troops.
cnredd said:*sigh*...
Must we go through this AGAIN?!?...
From an earlier post...
Bush41 was told BY THE UNITED NATIONS to kick Saddam out of Kuwait, but NOT to enter Iraq and remove him....That is exactly what was done....
And people accuse him of not doing enough...Doing more would have gone against the United Nation's wishes.
Now Bush43 is told BY THE UNITED NATIONS to wait for the completion of inspections and NOT to enter Iraq and remove him....The exact OPPOSITE was done...
And people accuse him of doing too much...He is already going against the United Nation's wishes.
Let me get this straight....
The right thing to do for Bush41 was to NOT listen to the UN and invade Iraq.
The right thing to do for Bush43 was to listen to the UN and NOT invade Iraq.
There is only one logical reasoning for this, and it is plainly obvious....
The United Nations suck...
danarhea said:The GOP has abandoned the spending bill they are working on to play a little political brinkmanship, and actually, I agree with it. I want to personally see where legislators stand on the issue. Although the bill dramatically changes the way we would pull out of Iraq from what Jack Murtha had stated, that is still OK.
Sure, the vote is being done for political purposes, but this still gives us the opportunity to see the arguments for and against pullout, whether it is immediate, in the near future, in the distant future, or the establishment of a permanent presence in Iraq. This will be a great debate. Who else is going to watch it?
26 X World Champs said:Yeah, great going by Congress' newest member. Her remarks were booed louder than anyone can ever remember. So loudly that microphones were shut off for 10 minutes while the Republican leadership pulled her aside.
Jean Schmidt then went back in front of the Congress and asked that her remarks be stricken from the record.
She was totally and thoroughly humiliated, justifiably so.
She viciously attacked another member of Congress who also happens to be an extremely decorated war hero from Korea & Vietnam.
The debate is on C-Span right now, and it's invigorating to see the Dems fighting back.
For anyone here to now defend Jean Schmidt's remark means, IMHO, that you are defending the vicious attack on a war hero and are OK with the acrimony that it's caused today in Washington.
Republicans are really feeling the heat these days, what a pleasure to see their come upance.
What a bunch of BS! Take your blinders off!Stinger said:Quote:
"He asked me to send Congress a message — stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message — that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said.
Yes someone needed to remind the Senator of that and the Marine Colonel who said was the perfect person to do so. Murtha was trying to use his standing as a former Marine to bolster his position, it backfired.
Hmmm...maybe because they started a useless war that's killed tens of thousands of people and maimed tens of thousands of others? Maybe because spending more than $200 billion so far? Maybe because America has become the most hated nation in the world under Bush / Cheney?Stinger said:Why have you not voiced such an IMHO about the vicious attacks on Bush and Cheney?
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