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Good point regarding confederate flags. Down South you still see them all the time, they're not necessarily looked down upon despite representing racism.punkyg0608 said:Good point, truth-bringer. I'd just like to add that Confederate flags are still sold in the United States, and though I was surprised to see them, I decided that the store should be allowed to sell them if they want to. I'd say the same for Nazi flags. I don't like the idea of it, but I don't see any law that the store's are breaking by selling them.
Gandhi>Bush said:I got invited to this protest. It's some protest at a store that is selling Nazi flags. Personally, I wouldn't buy one, but doesn't the first amendment cover this? If you want to own a Nazi flag and be an anti-semitist, go right ahead. You'll probably end up rather lonely, but that's your choice.
Isn't the swastika a religious symbol (hindu/jainist) anyway?
I don't know me and some friends got into a discussion about it.
Arch Enemy said:There's absolutely nothing wrong with a piece of cloth, which just so happens to represent the thing I despise most.
While it is the store's right to sell the Nazi flag, it is also your right to protest the selling of this flag, as long as no trespassing happens or any conflicts with people's constitutional rights occurs.
Simon W. Moon said:I'd rather no one want to buy one than people be prohibited from selling one.
This proves your complete lack of historical education.26 X World Champs said:Good point regarding confederate flags. Down South you still see them all the time, they're not necessarily looked down upon despite representing racism.
The whacko logic re confederate flags is that it symbolizes the South. The problem is that the South that it symbolizes were slave owners and bigots and these brilliant people brutalized blacks!
Defending the confederate flag is the same thing as defending racism and segregation.
vauge said:This proves your complete lack of historical education.
The flag never has and never will stand for slavery.
I betcha think that the Civil war was about slavery too.
vauge said:Whoa! Looks a little far fetched on some of the old man's idears.
Will have to ingest this further before commenting. From what I have read so far, other than the idea above about the flag - he seems a little off his rocker.
Arch Enemy said:Even though I don't have a problem with the piece of cloth itself, I do have a problem with people not caring about who they sport their piece of cloth to. I believe if a man is offended because someone is sporting the confederate flag, that it's proper for the one sporting the flag to have a tolerable mentality and stop sporting the flag while in the presence of the one with the problem. The Nazi Flag has as much to do with the Holocaust as the Confederate Flag and Slavery, but I wouldn't sport a Nazi Flag in front of a Jew... does this make any sense.
cnredd said:As stated earlier, propaganda MADE the Confederate battle flag an offensive symbol...The actual problem of "the one with the problem" is that he is equating the flag to slavery & racism(the common perception) instead of pride in ancestry(actual truth)...
Gandhi>Bush said:Why did the states secede from the union? Why was the Confederacy formed?
Because they felt that they had a different pride in ancestry and that it would be best for all parties that they were a different country with different laws concerning the right to hold slaves and civil rights and such?
Help me out here.
Gandhi>Bush said:I was being sardonic. My apologies.
The south seceeded basically because they new that the 3rd party(Republicans that's basic idea was to end slavery) candidate, Lincoln, was going to end slavery. This was unnacceptable because the southern economy was built upon the foundation of slavery. That is why the south sucked so much after the civil war. It took a very long time for the south to get back on it's feet.
Don't forget the damaged infrastructure, the exclusion of able, experienced office holders from gaining public positions, the loss of a substantial portion of a generation of able-bodied men, etc.Gandhi>Bush said:That is why the south sucked so much after the civil war. It took a very long time for the south to get back on it's feet.
Gandhi>Bush said:All this is from debate_junkie's link.
The prohibiting of slavery in the states gained in the Louisiana purchase was the Missouri comprimise, which happened in 1820. No doubt it caused a lot of tension. Up until that time the free states and the slave states had equal representation in the senate. So when it was declared that Missouri would be a free state, it messed up the balance as Maine was also just admitted as a free state. All this, I'm sure are contributing factors, but it really hit the fan in the 1860 election. As soon as Lincoln got elected everyone just left.
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