Complaints about the leftist leaning of this forum

[Fearandloathing]

Thanks.

I'm used to Right-Left, i.e. Conservative-Liberal.

But in this thread Trumpers and yourself seem to be distinguishing between Liberal & Leftist, whereas I see no difference between Liberal & Left, and conjugating Left to Leftist seems to be some kind of MAGA slur.

Nope.


In Canada we have had a real left since the 1920's and 30's.

They would range from Stalinist to Marxist-Lenonist, to communist to social democrat...even "liberals", the party so named LOVES social programs or what we call buying people's votes with their own money.

The middle ground would be held by liberals or Liberals, while the high end would be your run of the mill rich guys....whom we designate as conservatives. Not to be confused with Conservatives who are liberals with better wardrobes.

Even the right wing conservative party supports our most 'liberal' of programs. The last guy that mentioned 'unemployment reforms' is looking for a job.

 

[Chomsky]

Agreed. Moderation here is top notch in my opinion and certainly not an easy job with all of us aholes running around.

Yep. Did you ever check-out the appeal process? That's what sold me.

 

[Chomsky]

Nope.


In Canada we have had a real left since the 1920's and 30's.

They would range from Stalinist to Marxist-Lenonist, to communist to social democrat...even "liberals", the party so named LOVES social programs or what we call buying people's votes with their own money.

The middle ground would be held by liberals or Liberals, while the high end would be your run of the mill rich guys....whom we designate as conservatives. Not to be confused with Conservatives who are liberals with better wardrobes.

Even the right wing conservative party supports our most 'liberal' of programs. The last guy that mentioned 'unemployment reforms' is looking for a job.

Quite honestly, I think you lost me.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I'm not going to jump all the way into these waters with you guys.

But in referring to the Democratic Party, yes - I too believe it needs to put the overarching Liberal ideals (freedom, liberty, etc.) first above all, and open that tent again to more diversity in political lean & ideas. I grew-up with Conservative Dems, and we fit in well with the Party (then). Could that occur today? I don't know. I would hope so.

Or what we call "growth"

 

[Chomsky]

Or what we call "growth"

I like that!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think Trump should sue DP for being disloyal and not protecting MAGA's from criticism.

 

[phoenix2020]

I think Trump should sue DP for being disloyal and not protecting MAGA's from criticism.

At the very minimum, the site staff should be the subject of a Trump EO.

 

[phoenix2020]

I may have just posted, complaining about the Dem Party.

But, where did you come-up with the bolded? It does not reflect reality, from what I can see.

My best guess is that this was a talking point that she was handed, and near as I can tell she is obligated to make copies of and redistribute said talking points on penalty of being deemed a RINO. I don’t see where ‘reality’ factors into the matter for her. Photocopiers are not equipped to evaluate the accuracy of the material that they are making copies of.

 

[Grogu]

Where did I go to? In the post above where you quoted me, I was not addressing the poster exoplanet.

No, of course not. Your post was complaining to @Lord Tammerlain that he had not addressed one thing that you wrote in another back-slapping post to @Gardener.

Yet when you finally engaged @exoplanet, and he posed a question to you on a source you posted yourself, it was a hit-and-run per usual.

If you did then you would've understood that the shift to leftist connotations happened before anyone on this forum was likely born. And guess what? People on the right use the word the same way in the US.

So why did you make up some story about "groupthink" conditioning to explain the shift in meaning?

I was intrigued by this question and was waiting for a response by you which never came. Thus, the hypocrisy of your post to @Lord Tammerlain. Guess it’s ok to point out what you believe is not addressing your post, but then to ghost somebody else on their question of one of your posts.

 

[Grogu]

I always like Suzanne Vega's line:

"It's a one time thing; it just happens a lot"



Dayem. That's a great catch, Nickyjo ! Impressive!

You get a “like” from me for that Suzanne Vega reference. Much respect. Well done.

 

[Gardener]

No, of course not. Your post was complaining to @Lord Tammerlain that he had not addressed one thing that you wrote in another back-slapping post to @Gardener.

Yes, there is nothing about posting here that requires you to grow the **** up.

 

[Grogu]

Yes, there is nothing about posting here that requires you to grow the **** up.

Well, you ought to know firsthand, given the crap you try to pass off as posts around here.

I was waiting for @trixare4kids to answer the question posed in this thread by @exoplanet, so if you’ve got any complaints, go tell them to somebody that cares.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

5% if that, Joey.



These type of debaters did as you claimed. They developed arguments using reference and context! Presented to audiences who would focus upon, and appreciate these type of persuasive arguments. They were logical arguments, not emotive arguments.



My reference to "Queens English" is more complex than geographical representation. I was referencing it to "Proper English".

I'm not saying we should use Queens English. Though I think we should do our best to use proper English. I was referring to a time when the way you spoke was a reflection upon oneself, and the respect one would show towards others.

To speak proper English displayed knowledge of the language, grammar, and vocabulary. But most importantly, it showed you were treating the audience with respect. To speak sloppily, in slang & profanity, was seen as disrespectful.

Hi Chomsky,

Proper English is probably a better term then Queens English. But you know where I always go wrong. I have lived and worked through all kinds of echelons... There is no point talking proper English to a dock-worker. And at times I even drop the polite forms and quickly move to the kind of 'lingo' they understand and feel comfortable with. I do not have the pride to keep talking like that if it does not serve the point I am trying to get across. And you know what? I actually like that too. And it works. I was in India about 10 years ago and I met an other Dutch guy there. He was 15 years older than me and came from Rotterdam as well. Rough guy. After lunch he lies down and takes a nap. When he comments on our conversation during his nap I shouted at him something in the lining of 'Shut the **** up and go back to sleep you old man'. He looked at me and smiled. That's how Rotterdam harbour people talk. Do I like it. No because it is wrong. But yes because it works. I did not mean bad. I was not trying to be rude. I spoke in a language that he understood. And sometimes we forget that communication is about getting the message across. We have been friends at work since. But that I am also not going to end up having a discussion with him about astronomy or politics may be clear. That is just not going to happen.

The joy of having a proper conversation is something people can wake me up for anytime though.

Any attempt for me to speak proper English, helps me to improve my own English, makes the conversation more pleasant, and helps to keep the conversation on track. Choice of words. Articulation. etc..

And, differently, for me being a none-native English speaker, I would like to add that I do not know of a language where it is soo easy to express your thoughts so accurately and well defined. Someone once said; English is the easiest to learn, but the hardest to master. I think there is a lot of truth in that statement.

When I was young and barely spoke English, I was a fan of Pink Floyd. I had noticed their English accent was different. For me anyway. But than one day I heard something that triggered my interest in language. I heard an album from Alan Parson. The title is 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination; Edgar Allan Poe'.

So thanks to you I am now listen to a master piece of classical rock music.


Joey

 

[tharock220]

I got an admin named Isabel removed from her position on another website called liberalforum. Her reaction was pure entertainment. You could tell being a message board admin was the most meaningful thing in her life.

It makes sense. Your typical leftoid has an aversion to working. So they have more time to waste arguing politics on the internet.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Yep. Did you ever check-out the appeal process? That's what sold me.

Hi Chomsky,

Is there an appeals process?

When I had first registered, I was banned after having posted maybe 5 messages. Not a single bad word. Nothing extreme. Apparently I broke the rules...

I could not log in. I was blocked. I could see in the message who had banned me though. several months later I went in again with a different account. I approached him privately And asked why he banned me. He simply replied he thought I was someone else, whom apparently deserved to be banned.

Now I agree that this site is pretty well moderated. But appeals process? What process? And quite frankly the reaction when confronted was below what I think I may expect. No apologies for making a mistake either.

Are you guys familiar with 'Stack'? I have posted a couple of things there on a few occasions. The way they moderate the site is awesome, it does leave a lot less room for discussion though, and that kinda the point at DP of course. Maybe it would be an idea to explore the option to see if some of it could be applied here at DP as well.


Joey

 

[stealthycat]

Who would be the most centrist poster in your opinion?

me?

 

[stealthycat]

I want to visit your small town Arkansas and growl at you.

I don't live in a small town anymore - well, maybe 10% of the time I do

But any rural town in the south will accommodate your growling.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

s

me?

Centre right in, certainly not far right in my opinion

 

[antiquity]

Used to be a nation could rely on the great white unwashed. Then non-whites came along to do the dirty work whites were to lazy to do. So some of them started to realize there was a change in the landscape, that more people were needed in the fields of technology and science.
Yet, some, either too dumb or too lazy to make it into college and universities preferred to remain the unwashed. Then those same ones would whine like little babies, oh look, THOSE brown people are taking all those jobs my ancestors used to do but I am too fat and lazy to do now so I gotta bitch and mock the educated.
Get it now?

Great white unwashed? I guess you just laid your racist cards on the table. What are you, First nation or something and can get away with racist remarks? Eh
No I don't! Next time you need a plumber, auto mechanic, or someone to, in most case in Canada, fix your dog sled or an electrician make sure you call a college grad who majored in something like Nigerian basket weaving or maybe professorial protesting see how they fix your household problems. No, it will take us unwashed to fix it.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Or so it seems, lately. Lots of complaints about too many leftists on here and not enough balance. Righties being drowned out. Being outnumbered.

What do they call that? Oh yea, bleating.

But, might there be some merit to their bleating/complaining?

I chose 1 & 4. There seem to be more lefties on DP but so what?

 

[Gardener]

Great white unwashed? I guess you just laid your racist cards on the table. What are you, First nation or something and can get away with racist remarks? Eh
No I don't! Next time you need a plumber, auto mechanic, or someone to, in most case in Canada, fix your dog sled or an electrician make sure you call a college grad who majored in something like Nigerian basket weaving or maybe professorial protesting see how they fix your household problems. No, it will take us unwashed to fix it.

His Leftist virtue signaling is all about his trying to feel superior and nothing more.

You can be sure that he never had any confirmation of his superiority while being passed through the school system, and so he seizes upon politics as his way of doing so

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

What are you, First nation or something

I am white bread all the way. Sorry I ruffled your feathers AGAIN, but please, get over it.
Plus you missed my entire point. Not surprised:

Now, as rebuttal, you will AGAIN - as apparently you know of no other line of attack - make more snide remarks about Canadians. But that is ok, because unlike uptight American white unwashed, we can let the insults roll off of us.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

His Leftist virtue signaling is all about his trying to feel superior and nothing more.

Not hard to feel superior to people who spend the entire day whining about how they are being perceived. Mind you, this thread is about whiners - those who are constantly whining about too many leftists on this site - so you should feel right at home.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I chose 1 & 4. There seem to be more lefties on DP but so what?

Well, I too would say what? BUT............. over the last 18 pages of responses the very people I queried about:

Righties being drowned out. Being outnumbered.

What do they call that? Oh yea, bleating.

Have been bleating like crazy. It's not like I didn't predict it.

Whether a forum is perceived as left or right, it is almost exclusively the Righties on here who have been complaining about how leftist this site has become.

Imagine if I went to some site dominated by Righties and complained constantly about too many Righties. They would be wondering why I am participating on their forum when all I want to do is whine about the rightwing lean of their site.

And this site doesn't even lean left. The issue Righties on here are having, is their perception. ANYTHING left of Far Right they perceive as an attack on them. Imagine the immense amount of insecurity one must have to consider anyone left of far right as being a leftist. It's comical.

 

[Gardener]

Not hard to feel superior to people who spend the entire day whining about how they are being perceived. Mind you, this thread is about whiners - those who are constantly whining about too many leftists on this site - so you should feel right at home.

Yes, all you do is troll.