• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Comey to testify publicly about Trump confrontations

poweRob said:
Third reference to my penis by right wingers in response to this. I'm flattered but no dick pics for you. No means no.
Click to expand...

Well, there goes another CNN speculation down the tubes.
 
Absentglare said:
What more important issues do they have to work on? Why do you think it is so unimportant for the American public to have faith in their leadership?
Click to expand...

Here is what the American worker can have faith in, AMERICA FIRST

Wall Street hits record highs as economy seen accelerating | Fox Business

Private sector job growth 'rip-roaring' in May: ADP | Fox Business


As stated, it doesn't take someone to explain to me that a break in at Watergate was breaking the law, that lying under oath is breaking the law, that murdering someone is breaking the law but in this case you have no such laws being broken as evidenced by your inability to quote or support one. Interesting that on every other subject you have an opinion but not this one. You stated laws but didn't back anything up in your statement. There was no collusion as no laws were broken and no votes changed, there was not treason as again no laws were broken and no national security issue at hand. Want to continue waiting for someone else to tell you what to think?
 
JasperL said:
Really? When was he obligated to report this, and to whom?

And you Trump supporters just refuse to acknowledge that firing Comey is what really moves his earlier "pressure" or "suggestions" into a potential obstruction charge.

It's no different than a workplace sexual harassment charge. If a supervisor asks a woman to go out for drinks, that's really not compelling evidence of sexual harassment. If the woman declines and is later fired, THAT is when she can call a lawyer and press a claim.
Click to expand...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

18US S4, and the DOJ.
 
Conservative said:
So again, ADP is part of Fox news and offers fake news? What happens tomorrow when BLS confirms the data, is that going to be fake news too?
Click to expand...

Your boy coined "Fake News". You'll have live with all of the backfiring from Trump's self-concocted methods he uses to avoid accountability and responsibilities. In other words, you'll have to accept all of the Alternative Facts - however Trump perceives them to be.
 
Removable Mind said:
Your boy coined "Fake News". You'll have live with all of the backfiring from Trump's self-concocted methods he uses to avoid accountability and responsibilities. In other words, you'll have to accept all of the Alternative Facts - however Trump perceives them to be.
Click to expand...

One more time, IS ADP part of FAKE NEWS? Are those alternative facts to you?
 
OpportunityCost said:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

18US S4, and the DOJ.
Click to expand...

That's just complete nonsense. I searched to see where this stuff came from and it looks like it was from Gohmert, or an article in Fox News.

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States,
Click to expand...

First of all, the whole mission of the FBI is to discover felonies, which I assume they do every day, and under this theory the FBI has an affirmative duty to run to the DoJ immediately upon discovering every crime they uncover. It's laughable.

Second, the point of the law is to punish someone in a position of authority who CONCEALS a felony, attempts to keep it from being known. Notice the "and" there - "conceals AND does not as soon as possible...." So the supposed felony here is the guy heading up an investigation into Trump and the campaign is actively concealing a felony allegedly committed by Trump. And he attempted to conceal this crime by IMMEDIATELY putting the alleged crime into memo form, and distributing it to other members of the FBI, and is now preparing to testify in public in front of Congress to this felony that he tried to conceal by IMMEDIATELY describing the crime in a memo and distributing it to other members of the FBI. It's such an incredibly stupid notion that it can only come from Gohmert or Fox News.
 
Conservative said:
One more time, IS ADP part of FAKE NEWS? Are those alternative facts to you?
Click to expand...

Trump is a fake. You can't grasp that. There's not a single positive social change that I will give Trump credit for.

You could go on for hours about your hatred for everything Obama & Clinton, and post after post rage on about theses folks. I'm not a fan of either. They're both history. But you go nuts if there is anything negative said about Trump.

I'm just as entitled to rage on about Trump as you have about Obama.. Obama is gone. My FULL ATTENTION IS ON TRUMP! Why? He's not only president, which that alone gives me the right to complain about or disagree with anything he does or says. But in Trump's case, he has a very long history for all to see. His life has been under scrutiny for ages. He's one of the most notorious dishonest business men (or if you prefer - person) in American history.

So don't expect me to have anything positive to say about Trump REGARDLESS of the source you choose to follow his presidential life...or business life, which he still has reign over. I have ZERO respect for Donald Trump. Ya dig?
 
VanceMack said:
This should be awesome. We should also expect for the FBI to turn over all those memos, and then it will be fun to hear how the 6'5" head of the FBI can claim he felt threatened or intimidated to obstruct justice but didnt report it throgh the appropriate channels for 4 months. This should get exciting! I imagine what with all the 'evidence' presented to date, the arrests should be coming any day now.
Click to expand...

The President cannot damage people who are taller then six feet?
 
JasperL said:
That's just complete nonsense. I searched to see where this stuff came from and it looks like it was from Gohmert, or an article in Fox News.



First of all, the whole mission of the FBI is to discover felonies, which I assume they do every day, and under this theory the FBI has an affirmative duty to run to the DoJ immediately upon discovering every crime they uncover. It's laughable.

Second, the point of the law is to punish someone in a position of authority who CONCEALS a felony, attempts to keep it from being known. Notice the "and" there - "conceals AND does not as soon as possible...." So the supposed felony here is the guy heading up an investigation into Trump and the campaign is actively concealing a felony allegedly committed by Trump. And he attempted to conceal this crime by IMMEDIATELY putting the alleged crime into memo form, and distributing it to other members of the FBI, and is now preparing to testify in public in front of Congress to this felony that he tried to conceal by IMMEDIATELY describing the crime in a memo and distributing it to other members of the FBI. It's such an incredibly stupid notion that it can only come from Gohmert or Fox News.
Click to expand...

First you start with a strawman. I didn't say every crime should go to the DOJ, although eventually they do for prosecution. But when the issue involved the Director of the FBI and the President of the US, the Director should have gone to the Attorney General with this issue or Congressional Oversight or an Inspector General. Instead, Comey chose to conceal it for several months until his ass was in a sling and then he announces it publicly via leak.

Do you honestly think if it really happened, Comey acted in the correct manner? Because I do not. It looks like he concealed the issue for personal or political reasons. OR the issue never happened the way that Comey is portraying it.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump is a fake. You can't grasp that. There's not a single positive social change that I will give Trump credit for.
Ya dig?
Click to expand...

I dig, you have no credibility and no objectivity. Clear as day.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump is a fake. You can't grasp that. There's not a single positive social change that I will give Trump credit for.

You could go on for hours about your hatred for everything Obama & Clinton, and post after post rage on about theses folks. I'm not a fan of either. They're both history. But you go nuts if there is anything negative said about Trump.

I'm just as entitled to rage on about Trump as you have about Obama.. Obama is gone. My FULL ATTENTION IS ON TRUMP! Why? He's not only president, which that alone gives me the right to complain about or disagree with anything he does or says. But in Trump's case, he has a very long history for all to see. His life has been under scrutiny for ages. He's one of the most notorious dishonest business men (or if you prefer - person) in American history.

So don't expect me to have anything positive to say about Trump REGARDLESS of the source you choose to follow his presidential life...or business life, which he still has reign over. I have ZERO respect for Donald Trump. Ya dig?
Click to expand...

That's because you always buy rhetoric and ignore results. You could go on for hours and say the same thing over and over again never addressing actual results. You will never get it which is why success is something you will never grasp. I was outraged over Obama results not Obama and you cannot seem to understand that. Results matter a lot more than rhetoric

I gave you the ADP data and you have been conditioned to call anything that refutes your opinion fake news. It really is sad to see such hatred and your inability to celebrate success. You are going to see real fake news today with the BLS data confirming the ADP data but unable to give Trump any credit at all. You have zero respect for Trump? what a surprise. Wanting America to fail is something that makes the left lack any credibility.

Obviously your full attention is on what the media wants you to believe about Trump as well as the radical left. You see, Trump IS PRESIDENT and when he succeeds the country succeeds. Guess that is too much for you to comprehend
 
Removable Mind said:
Your boy coined "Fake News". You'll have live with all of the backfiring from Trump's self-concocted methods he uses to avoid accountability and responsibilities. In other words, you'll have to accept all of the Alternative Facts - however Trump perceives them to be.
Click to expand...

I find it very interesting how you and others want to claim that Obama is gone yet still want to give him credit for the economic activity going on in this country four months after he left office totally ignoring the Trump actions. Not surprising that the media and people like you who want the status quo, want Trump to fail thus America to fail that you would ignore anything that has happened that has improved job creation and economic activity. Hatred is a terrible thing especially when it comes to the President of the United States. What you prove is that you are no better than those on the right that personally attacked Obama and truly hated him. I guess two wrongs make a right in your vindictive world.

I never hated Obama personally only his results which you and everyone else wants to ignore. I will not ignore the Trump results even though you will. Look through these and maybe, just maybe you can figure how why the stock market has hit a record high, employment is back to pre recession levels, the U-6 rate is back to pre recession levels, and our economy is improving. America first drives the left and radicals crazy

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders
 
JasperL said:
That's just complete nonsense. I searched to see where this stuff came from and it looks like it was from Gohmert, or an article in Fox News.



First of all, the whole mission of the FBI is to discover felonies, which I assume they do every day, and under this theory the FBI has an affirmative duty to run to the DoJ immediately upon discovering every crime they uncover. It's laughable.

Second, the point of the law is to punish someone in a position of authority who CONCEALS a felony, attempts to keep it from being known. Notice the "and" there - "conceals AND does not as soon as possible...." So the supposed felony here is the guy heading up an investigation into Trump and the campaign is actively concealing a felony allegedly committed by Trump. And he attempted to conceal this crime by IMMEDIATELY putting the alleged crime into memo form, and distributing it to other members of the FBI, and is now preparing to testify in public in front of Congress to this felony that he tried to conceal by IMMEDIATELY describing the crime in a memo and distributing it to other members of the FBI. It's such an incredibly stupid notion that it can only come from Gohmert or Fox News.
Click to expand...

Wait a minute....Doesn't the FBI director answer directly to the AG, and oversight by congress?
 
JamesBY said:
Comey is trustworthy, while Trump is not trustworthy.

That is what most of America believe.

As the cons lose ground in the media, their belief in fake news grows.
Click to expand...

That certainly is your opinion, still waiting for you to tell us your opinion as to WHAT LAW TRUMP BROKE??

Now you are an expert on what Most Americans believe? My belief is that most Americans want jobs, economic growth, and a country that is secure from foreign and domestic terrorism

I really don't worry about losing ground with the corrupt media as they like the radical left have zero credibility. Fake news appears to be anything you don't agree with regardless of the source
 
And Putin admits that patriotic Russians may have conducted cyber attacks.
 
OpportunityCost said:
First you start with a strawman. I didn't say every crime should go to the DOJ, although eventually they do for prosecution.
Click to expand...

It's not a strawman. You said he was "obligated" to go (presumably immediately) to DoJ, then you cited a law that requires immediately notifying someone. If you wanted to just express that it was your opinion, you don't cite a law. And if this felony has to be immediately reported to DoJ, why not every felony? It's the law or it's not. Pick one.

But when the issue involved the Director of the FBI and the President of the US, the Director should have gone to the Attorney General with this issue or Congressional Oversight or an Inspector General. Instead, Comey chose to conceal it for several months until his ass was in a sling and then he announces it publicly via leak.
Click to expand...

Should have is a major move of the goal posts. You and others have asserted he committed a felony by not immediately going to Sessions. Which one is it - your opinion or what the law requires.

Do you honestly think if it really happened, Comey acted in the correct manner? Because I do not. It looks like he concealed the issue for personal or political reasons. OR the issue never happened the way that Comey is portraying it.
Click to expand...

Yes, I do. He documented it when it happened, shared it with others. And when it happened, the discussions arguably were just inappropriate, not obstruction. As I said earlier:

And you Trump supporters just refuse to acknowledge that firing Comey is what really moves his earlier "pressure" or "suggestions" into a potential obstruction charge.

It's no different than a workplace sexual harassment charge. If a supervisor asks a woman to go out for drinks, that's really not compelling evidence of sexual harassment. If the woman declines and is later fired, THAT is when she can call a lawyer and press a claim.
Click to expand...
 
j-mac said:
Wait a minute....Doesn't the FBI director answer directly to the AG, and oversight by congress?
Click to expand...

Yes.....and?

The assertion was Comey committed a felony by not immediately reporting the incident to (presumably) Sessions. That Comey ultimately 'answers to' the AG and the FBI is subject to Congressional oversight is true and completely irrelevant to the issue I was addressing.
 
45 is considering evoking 'executive privilege' to prevent Comey from testifying. Hmmm
 
JasperL said:
It's not a strawman. You said he was "obligated" to go (presumably immediately) to DoJ, then you cited a law that requires immediately notifying someone. If you wanted to just express that it was your opinion, you don't cite a law. And if this felony has to be immediately reported to DoJ, why not every felony? It's the law or it's not. Pick one.



Should have is a major move of the goal posts. You and others have asserted he committed a felony by not immediately going to Sessions. Which one is it - your opinion or what the law requires.



Yes, I do. He documented it when it happened, shared it with others. And when it happened, the discussions arguably were just inappropriate, not obstruction. As I said earlier:
Click to expand...

Good post. I went through this all with OP a few weeks ago. I don't think he cares -- as he seems to keep repeating the falsehoods.

He also thinks FBI notes / memos of investigation/s are "hearsay" and not admissible in a court of law.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom