"Class Warfare"

[haymarket]

the socialist left thinks the government needs more money

Passing on debt to our children and grandchildren is not something any patriotic American would advocate. ALL Americans need to pay more to make sure this does not happen.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sure they did. You fool yourself to think otherwise.

You are just making that up. You cannot prove it. You are trying to justify your demands other pay more taxes by pretending they got more

but the fact is-most of the money the government has comes from the rich.

 

[TurtleDude]

Passing on debt to our children and grandchildren is not something any patriotic American would advocate. ALL Americans need to pay more to make sure this does not happen.

The rich pay too much and they aren't the ones voting in the big spenders. Its the middle class that needs to pay their share

 

[Boo Radley]

You are just making that up. You cannot prove it. You are trying to justify your demands other pay more taxes by pretending they got more

but the fact is-most of the money the government has comes from the rich.

So, banks going under would not effect wealthy people? Are you serious? Wealthy people have no money in the auto industry? Seriously.

You must have really thought America was socialist when the wealthy paid so much more than they do today.

 

[haymarket]

You are just making that up. You cannot prove it.

The irony meter just broke beyond repair.

The rich pay too much and they aren't the ones voting in the big spenders. Its the middle class that needs to pay their share

Their share is lower today than any any time since WW2. You have a very unusual definition of "too much".

 

[Catawba]

Its the middle class that needs to pay their share

You represent the 1% well in their class warfare!!!

 

[TurtleDude]

So, banks going under would not effect wealthy people? Are you serious? Wealthy people have no money in the auto industry? Seriously.

You must have really thought America was socialist when the wealthy paid so much more than they do today.

Your rants are silly. I have no auto stocks and none of the banks I have holdings in were bailed out. In fact those bailouts hurt me since the banks I invest in would have done better if the ones that were bailed out failed

 

[TurtleDude]

You represent the 1% well in their class warfare!!!

You still haven't told us-is your ranting about the rich based on a desire for more milk in the public teat?

 

[Catawba]

You still haven't told us-is your ranting about the rich based on a desire for more milk in the public teat?

I've told you over and over again, but do you listen? No!

As we know from history just before the Great Depression and before the Great Recession, a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top.

That is why our forefathers instituted progressive taxation.

 

[TurtleDude]

I've told you over and over again, but do you listen? No!

As we know from history just before the Great Depression and before the Great Recession, a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top.

That is why our forefathers instituted progressive taxation.

You do talk a lot but say very little that is useful

You try to justify a tax system that was created by pimps seeking to gain power in office

scuse me if I don't worship such a system as much as those the system was designed to seduce

 

[haymarket]

You do talk a lot but say very little that is useful

You try to justify a tax system that was created by pimps seeking to gain power in office

scuse me if I don't worship such a system as much as those the system was designed to seduce

Name those pimps who created the tax system you loathe.

 

[Sparkles]

You represent the 1% well in their class warfare!!!

You represent the leftists well in class warfare!!!

 

[Catawba]

You do talk a lot but say very little that is useful

You try to justify a tax system that was created by pimps seeking to gain power in office

scuse me if I don't worship such a system as much as those the system was designed to seduce

I am curious just how far your delusion goes. Do you consider the US to be prospering now with the greatest wealth disparity since just before the Great Depression?

 

[TurtleDude]

Name those pimps who created the tax system you loathe.

Wilson was a main proponent so were the prohibitionists

but the biggest pimps are your beloved Dem masters today

 

[TurtleDude]

I am curious just how far your delusion goes. Do you consider the US to be prospering now with the greatest wealth disparity since just before the Great Depression?

Your hatred of the wealthy and your craving of their wealth will cause you to engage in any level of dishonest claims to support looting others. The USA was becoming the greatest nation in the world without welfare socialism

 

[Catawba]

Your hatred of the wealthy and your craving of their wealth will cause you to engage in any level of dishonest claims to support looting others. The USA was becoming the greatest nation in the world without welfare socialism

You can't honestly answer this question without exposing your delusion, can you?

"Do you consider the US to be prospering now with the greatest wealth disparity since just before the Great Depression?"

 

[TurtleDude]

You can't honestly answer this question without exposing your delusion, can you?

"Do you consider the US to be prospering now with the greatest wealth disparity since just before the Great Depression?"

the problem with your silly question is it assumes that the rich need to be taxed more for that to end when in reality a problem that was caused by the progressive tax system that has created an indolent class that has become addicted to government handouts. Look at you-you spend so much time on this board whining that the rich need to pay more when you pay far less than any of them do

 

[Catawba]

the problem with your silly question is it assumes that the rich need to be taxed more for that to end when in reality a problem that was caused by the progressive tax system that has created an indolent class that has become addicted to government handouts. Look at you-you spend so much time on this board whining that the rich need to pay more when you pay far less than any of them do

Ha! I pay a higher total tax rate on my total income than does Mitt Romney!

 

[TurtleDude]

Ha! I pay a higher total tax rate on my total income than does Mitt Romney!

that is a dishonest claim that does not involve an honest comparison

You pay a lower rate on your earned income than he does

You pay a lower rate on any investment income you may (LOL) have than he does

He is subject to a massive death tax, you are not

he pays more dollars in taxes each quarter than you pay in your life

 

[Sparkles]

Ha! I pay a higher total tax rate on my total income than does Mitt Romney!

And whose fault is that leftist "I want government this, I want government that, give me health care, give me welfare, give me subsidized house, give me medicare, give me social security, give me blaw blaw balw blaw blaw", and then you think you can whine "wah wah my tax rate blaw blaw blaw!".

HELLO LEFTIST! Get a clue! You demand services, you have to pay for them. *SHOCKING* :doh

No no, let's live in fake utopia world where you can get a bunch of stuff and stick other people with the bill. No sorry. Idiotic thinking.

 

[TurtleDude]

And whose fault is that leftist "I want government this, I want government that, give me health care, give me welfare, give me subsidized house, give me medicare, give me social security, give me blaw blaw balw blaw blaw", and then you think you can whine "wah wah my tax rate blaw blaw blaw!".

HELLO LEFTIST! Get a clue! You demand services, you have to pay for them. *SHOCKING* :doh

No no, let's live in fake utopia world where you can get a bunch of stuff and stick other people with the bill. No sorry. Idiotic thinking.

its also a dishonest comparison because Catawba lumps in taxes that are not-nor intended to be-progressive to try to claim progressive taxes aren't progressive enough. Its a common tactic among the soak the rich cult and its pathetic. The only issue is comparing the progressivity of progressive taxes only and catawba's effective income tax rate is far lower than Romneys' One has to be making purely earned income with no deductions of at least a couple hundred K to pay a higher effective rate than Romney does. Romney's effective federal income tax rate is higher than 97% of american tax payers

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Funny, I know dozens of people that have accounts with them. It seems that's a service people value, don't you think?

You said "Rich people create products." All I'm asking is what do the CEOs of companies like Goldman Sachs, AIG, and Bank of America create.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

And whose fault is that leftist "I want government this, I want government that, give me health care, give me welfare, give me subsidized house, give me medicare, give me social security, give me blaw blaw balw blaw blaw", and then you think you can whine "wah wah my tax rate blaw blaw blaw!".

HELLO LEFTIST! Get a clue! You demand services, you have to pay for them. *SHOCKING* :doh

No no, let's live in fake utopia world where you can get a bunch of stuff and stick other people with the bill. No sorry. Idiotic thinking.

You mean like how the CEOs of AIG got a bunch of stuff and when the company was going under stuck the US taxpayer with the bill?

 

[Neomalthusian]

You said "Rich people create products." All I'm asking is what do the CEOs of companies like Goldman Sachs, AIG, and Bank of America create.

You're reducing "rich people" to the 3 or 4 people that happen to be CEO of our largest banks.

If you really want to think of "rich people" as being akin to the CEO of Bank of America, you're thinking of an exception and applying it to millions of people. And that's a fallacy.

I want to help you out a little, by making a comparison:

When you are able to find a few examples of black people who were on welfare and committed crimes and ended up in jail, and then you describe black people as, generally, being people who are on welfare and end up in jail, that's called racism.

When you are able to find a few examples of Jewish people who are accountants or otherwise are good with money and do well for themselves but are very stingy, and so you describe Jewish people as people who are good with money and relatively well to do but are very stingy, that's called anti-semitism.

When you're able to name a few individuals who are CEO of the largest banks in the world and make millions per year and whose companies accept favors from government, and then you use that characterization as something that describes rich people in general, that's called...


... ****ing stupid.

 

[Catawba]

You pay a lower rate on your earned income than he does

You pay a lower rate on any investment income you may (LOL) have than he does

He is subject to a massive death tax, you are not

he pays more dollars in taxes each quarter than you pay in your life

None of that changes the truth of what I said.

Its not up to you to decide that capital gains and estate income should be taxed at a lower rate than earned income. The people voted for the tax cuts you got, and judging by the polls, most likely will vote to eliminate them in November.

Its one of the great things about a democracy!