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As I see it, the Jewish Folks are followers of the Old Testament (Abraham) and Christians are followers of the New Testament (Jesus).
It is true that in the Old Testament, it is claimed that God gave Israel a Promised Land.
However; in the New Testament, Jesus said that nothing said in the Old Testament was to hold true because Jesus was the new messiah and what the Old Testament (Abraham) said was no longer valid.
Here are the pertinent versus:
The Old Covenant which the Jewish Folks are all clamoring about today to justify their geography became obsolete and rendered dead with the pronouncement of the New Testament saying: with “A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.” [NASB When He said, "A new {covenant,}" He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.] Hebrews 8:13
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
The Old Covenant [Talmud] heralded by the Jewish folks was replaced by the New Covenant which identified the reality behind the shadow: for the true Jews; for a spiritual people seeking a heavenly citizenship in “heavenly places in Christ Jesus” [New Jerusalem]. Ephesians 2:6
Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
In this sense, they too follow after Abraham who plainly declared that he was not seeking a visible homeland but an invisible homeland. “For he [Abraham] looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God” Hebrews 11:10
Hebrews 11:10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
As the converted Jewish scholar/apostle Paul declared: “"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28
Romans 2:28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
So, everyone who subscribes to the ideas expressed by Jesus (New Covenant) are now known as Jews and not those who claim Abraham as their father.
In the Old Testament Scriptures, God’s chosen people were known as Israelites or Jews. The Israelites were the ones “to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.” (Romans 9:4)
Romans 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Yet the Apostle Paul tells us, “They are not all Israel which are of Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called.” St. Paul goes on to explain, “That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Romans 9:6-8) The promise in Genesis was given to Abraham “because thou hast obeyed my voice.” Romans 9.6
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Today’s Jews, as for almost 2,000 years, have not obeyed God’s voice, but have rejected and cursed Christ and make a mockery of the teachings of the Christian Bible.
The Old Testament prophets, speaking infallibly and without error, thus foresaw this development, and that there would be a group called Israel and Jew which would not be the rightful heirs of Abraham.
As previously noted, Isaiah said to the true heirs of Abraham, “Thou shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name … and you shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall … call his servants by another name.” (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15)
Isaiah 62:2 The nations will see your vindication, and all kings your glory; you will be called by a new name that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.
Isaiah 65:15 You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.
Although God changed the name of His chosen ones once, He will never do so again, for He said of this new name, “I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.” (Isaiah 56:5)
Isaiah 56:5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever.
And, finally, the frenzied ignorance of geographical and racist suppositions never cease to amaze me.
The delusional imaginings which pretend the idea that a large chunk of the Middle East still belongs to the national Jews today, including the ancient lands of Edom and Moab, even though God said in Deuteronomy 2:5, 9 that He would never give those lands to the Jews.
Deuteronomy 2:5 Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own.
Many people wrongly presuppose that God's covenant with Abraham, including the land grant, as an unconditional covenant. The truth is that the Talmud narrative pointedly shows that the Jews have broken that Covenant and all that remains is the stubborn insistence that Palestine still belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them ‘forever’. The Talmud/Old Testament clearly teaches that God's covenant with Abraham and his descendants was a conditional Covenant, not unconditional as some delusions might suppose.
It is true that in the Old Testament, it is claimed that God gave Israel a Promised Land.
However; in the New Testament, Jesus said that nothing said in the Old Testament was to hold true because Jesus was the new messiah and what the Old Testament (Abraham) said was no longer valid.
Here are the pertinent versus:
The Old Covenant which the Jewish Folks are all clamoring about today to justify their geography became obsolete and rendered dead with the pronouncement of the New Testament saying: with “A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.” [NASB When He said, "A new {covenant,}" He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.] Hebrews 8:13
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
The Old Covenant [Talmud] heralded by the Jewish folks was replaced by the New Covenant which identified the reality behind the shadow: for the true Jews; for a spiritual people seeking a heavenly citizenship in “heavenly places in Christ Jesus” [New Jerusalem]. Ephesians 2:6
Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
In this sense, they too follow after Abraham who plainly declared that he was not seeking a visible homeland but an invisible homeland. “For he [Abraham] looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God” Hebrews 11:10
Hebrews 11:10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
As the converted Jewish scholar/apostle Paul declared: “"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28
Romans 2:28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
So, everyone who subscribes to the ideas expressed by Jesus (New Covenant) are now known as Jews and not those who claim Abraham as their father.
In the Old Testament Scriptures, God’s chosen people were known as Israelites or Jews. The Israelites were the ones “to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.” (Romans 9:4)
Romans 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Yet the Apostle Paul tells us, “They are not all Israel which are of Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called.” St. Paul goes on to explain, “That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Romans 9:6-8) The promise in Genesis was given to Abraham “because thou hast obeyed my voice.” Romans 9.6
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Today’s Jews, as for almost 2,000 years, have not obeyed God’s voice, but have rejected and cursed Christ and make a mockery of the teachings of the Christian Bible.
The Old Testament prophets, speaking infallibly and without error, thus foresaw this development, and that there would be a group called Israel and Jew which would not be the rightful heirs of Abraham.
As previously noted, Isaiah said to the true heirs of Abraham, “Thou shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name … and you shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall … call his servants by another name.” (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15)
Isaiah 62:2 The nations will see your vindication, and all kings your glory; you will be called by a new name that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.
Isaiah 65:15 You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.
Although God changed the name of His chosen ones once, He will never do so again, for He said of this new name, “I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.” (Isaiah 56:5)
Isaiah 56:5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever.
And, finally, the frenzied ignorance of geographical and racist suppositions never cease to amaze me.
The delusional imaginings which pretend the idea that a large chunk of the Middle East still belongs to the national Jews today, including the ancient lands of Edom and Moab, even though God said in Deuteronomy 2:5, 9 that He would never give those lands to the Jews.
Deuteronomy 2:5 Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own.
Many people wrongly presuppose that God's covenant with Abraham, including the land grant, as an unconditional covenant. The truth is that the Talmud narrative pointedly shows that the Jews have broken that Covenant and all that remains is the stubborn insistence that Palestine still belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them ‘forever’. The Talmud/Old Testament clearly teaches that God's covenant with Abraham and his descendants was a conditional Covenant, not unconditional as some delusions might suppose.
