JustineCredible said:Let us not also forget the words of Rev. Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church: "God hates F*gs"
I think it would be fair to say "God detests sin", rather than "sinner"
JustineCredible said:Let us not also forget the words of Rev. Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church: "God hates F*gs"
MikeyC said:No, Christianity isn't a target because a Christian Church can still deny any marriage they choose. It's the government that shouldn't have the ability to deny a homosexual marriage.
Montalban said:I think it would be fair to say "God detests sin", rather than "sinner"
My infiltrators? I have an army of people that enter the church with me or something and spread hate? I don't understand how allowing Christians to practice their way, and others to practice theirown way is in any way "hate". For the most part, I respect the teachings of the church, just not the teachings that you've been preaching. I have no interest in changing church beliefs...Maybe the only threat to Church beliefs is the truth and doubt, something I do spread, though I wouldn't go into a church to do it because that's just disprespectful. You still haven't proved that the Bible is a historical document, you still haven't responded to my explanation of why virgin birth is impossible, you haven't explained how I hate everything. All I see are scriptures which you haven't proven are actually the words of God...Shamgar said:Oh comrade your infiltrators are spreading your hate in the church . . . .
Montalban said:I think it would be fair to say "God detests sin", rather than "sinner"
MikeyC said:My infiltrators? I have an army of people that enter the church with me or something and spread hate? I don't understand how allowing Christians to practice their way, and others to practice theirown way is in any way "hate". For the most part, I respect the teachings of the church, just not the teachings that you've been preaching. I have no interest in changing church beliefs...Maybe the only threat to Church beliefs is the truth and doubt, something I do spread, though I wouldn't go into a church to do it because that's just disprespectful.
Shamgar said:
I don't even discuss religious beliefs with my Christian friends because I am able to respect their beliefs. You are the only Christian I've discussed religion with, that I've actually had to prove my own beliefs. I respect people who have faith in Christianity. I don't respect those who use Christianity for intolerance. I guess it would be reasonable for a Christian to say I have faith in science and that there is a God. You cite scriptures, Shamgar and call them irrefutable. I respect people who understand that the their belief that the Bible is truly the word of God is based on faith, not scientifically provable facts. You poison the minds of everyone on this board with ideas of intolerance and that your interpretation is the only interpretation of God' s words. On these boards I have given reasons why I support Deism, and you have given reasons why you have faith in the Bible. But you can't accept that other beliefs have reason to exist, as well as your own. You are an unreasonable person who accepts nothing but what you think God said. You can't prove God exists any better than I can. Again, people claim to have seen UFO's more often than God's word is claimed to have been heard in that Bible of yours. Your beliefs will and should be attacked because I think ideas of intolerance have no place in society. BTW, I'm not trying to invade the Kingdom of Heaven like your cartoon implies. I'll be honest, I don't know if there is an afterlife, but if there is, I'm sure everybody gets to enter it as equals.Shamgar said:
MikeyC said:I don't even discuss religious beliefs with my Christian friends because I am able to respect their beliefs.
MikeyC said:But you can't accept that other beliefs have reason to exist, as well as your own. You are an unreasonable person who accepts nothing but what you think God said. You can't prove God exists any better than I can. Again, people claim to have seen UFO's more often than God's word is claimed to have been heard in that Bible of yours. Your beliefs will and should be attacked because I think ideas of intolerance have no place in society.
MikeyC said:BTW, I'm not trying to invade the Kingdom of Heaven like your cartoon implies. I'll be honest, I don't know if there is an afterlife, but if there is, I'm sure everybody gets to enter it as equals.
Really? I think we're all still waiting for your unsubstantiated claims that science has proven that there is a god.Shamgar said:One the day of wailing and gnashing of teeth you will find out your theory was just an unsubstantiated claim . . . . . but that see to be your nature . . . unsubstantiated claims . . . .
Come to Minnesota in February :mrgreen:MikeyC said:I'd like you to prove that it's possible to defy the laws of physics. IE. Jesus walking on water.
shuamort said:Come to Minnesota in February :mrgreen:
V.I. Lenin said:I love it. Yes you Christians and your religion, under constant attack. Such underdogs. Your religion is hated by so many and has so few followers I don't even know how you're still around!
I do hope someday you'll be a large religion, perhaps the biggest in the USA if you believe enough! And maybe you'll have a Pro-Christian president someday. Goodness, I can only hope.
V.I. Lenin said:I love it. Yes you Christians and your religion, under constant attack. Such underdogs. Your religion is hated by so many and has so few followers I don't even know how you're still around!
I do hope someday you'll be a large religion, perhaps the biggest in the USA if you believe enough! And maybe you'll have a Pro-Christian president someday. Goodness, I can only hope.
shh! said:Hahaha! And I would sure love to be able to have a rational conversation about civil rights without bible scripture being thrown around....
shh! said:Hahaha! Saying Christianity is under constant attack and is somehow threatened reminds me of the Klu Klux Klan saying that white people are threatened by blacks, or anti-Semites claiming they are threatened by Jews who want to take over the world. Utter stupidity and paranoia. And I would sure love to be able to have a rational conversation about civil rights without bible scripture being thrown around....
Pacridge said:Christians are an oppressed majority. Don't you realize that?
JustineCredible said:{Sniff, sniff} I detect a hint of sarcasm in your tone....shame on you. :naughty
Pacridge said:Christians are an oppressed majority. Don't you realize that?
Okay Justine, assuming you believed in God, what about the message of salvation are you not understanding?JustineCredible said:Clear? Give me a break, the man spoke in parables half the time! Honey, parables are stories which are highly subjective. I've noticed you have quite the issue with subjective and direct in many of your arguments.
Shamgar said:Hardly the majority when your kind have had your propagandists promoting your God hating venom in the churchs for years. . . .they just put little sheep costumes over the wolf hide. . .
But no one is suggesting that these miracles exist outside of the laws of nature, only that they are not understood or are some how utilized by its creator. Jesus walking on water sounds impossible to us, but if he is in fact the Son of the Creator, then is it impossible that he can manipulate nature to His own bidding, or that God cannot manipulate these laws at our sincere request? And just so you know, some of us still consider a sunrise miraculous. The very idea that the entire universe could be under such strictly defined laws and could function in the way it does, is in and of itself, unexplainable and miraculous.JustineCredible said:The sun rising and setting was considered a miracle until science proved that our galaxy revolves around the sun and not the other way around.
All miracles you infer will one day be understood by science. Does this diminish their incredible impact, no. But are they miracles? Not really.
Unexplained remission of cancer is just that, unexplained. It seems like a miracle simply because we don't understand the science of it as of yet.
Sweetie, birth was considered a "medical miracle" until science figured out how it all worked.
Or do you not know the history of it's misunderstanding which actually allowed Henry VIII to behead Anne Boleyn because she couldn't bear him a son? They didn't know back then that it was actually Henry's fault that he didn't have but one sickly son. They didn't know the science of genetics, we still don't fully understand all of it even today.
But we have a much better understanding of it than we did five hundred years ago.