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I don't think there's one poster here who would disagree with that. The arguments mostly come from the intolerance that's being shown by those who attack religion based on their views on gay marriage. IMO, churches get a pass. Otherwise, we don't really have freedom of religion in this country.
We villify corporations for their inhumanity all the time. Here's a solid, faith-based company who, by all accounts, treats its employees and franchisees while looking through the lens of Christian Values. Yet we bash them in the head for that. Surely many religions don't embrace SSM. Have we villifed them? Are we picketting in front of their synagogs, mosques and chapels? No. We're not. But let the owner of a company walk the walk? We're ready to hang 'im from the highest tree.
I just don't get it.
I think they view the civil concept of marriage as utterly inappropriate anyway. That's why most of them don't balk at "civil unions". As far as they're concerned it doesn't mean anything because it isn't "marriage", which, according to them, belongs solely to religion. As you and I both know, marriage neither began with or will end with religion...but we're talking about thousands of years of indoctrination.
The intensity of groups like the KKK and the Nazi Party is higher than that of groups like the Family Research Council. However, the reality is that both spread hateful messages about those whom they perceive as less than them and who they don't believe are worthy of the same treatment for arbitrary reasons. As a result, the comparison is a fair one if you understand what's being compared.
I think they view the civil concept of marriage as utterly inappropriate anyway. That's why most of them don't balk at "civil unions". As far as they're concerned it doesn't mean anything because it isn't "marriage", which, according to them, belongs solely to religion. As you and I both know, marriage neither began with or will end with religion...but we're talking about thousands of years of indoctrination.
In this case they appear to be one in the same. Just because people politisize a religious belief does not stop it from being a religious belief.
So you've never voted for an individual on the national or state level that's contributed their vote to restricting of individuals rights regarding the ownership and carrying of firearms? I would say voting is "political action". I find it hard to believe given the gun laws present in the state you live. Or is it basically that restricting of rights is something that you selectively have issues with depending on how you personally value the right and the importance of the right and the level in which you feel the government should be okay in involving itself in that right?
Again....comparing a company (chick-fil-a) whose charitable arm (wingate) then gives money to another group (FRC) that does many good things as well as some hateful things as well to flat out a group like the KKK or the Nazi Party is ridiculous and goes beyond simply "intensity".
What hateful things does the FRC do? I don't see it.
The intensity of groups like the KKK and the Nazi Party is higher than that of groups like the Family Research Council. However, the reality is that both spread hateful messages about those whom they perceive as less than them and who they don't believe are worthy of the same treatment for arbitrary reasons. As a result, the comparison is a fair one if you understand what's being compared.
I don't think people have been comparing Chik Fil A to those entities. I think they've compared FRC to those groups - which is understandable. And it doesn't matter if FRC does "good things." The KKK and the Nazis did good things as well - they were still hate groups. I also find it hilarious that you minimize the hateful things they do by saying they do "some" hateful things and exaggerate the good things by saying they do "many." Please.Again....comparing a company (chick-fil-a) whose charitable arm (wingate) then gives money to another group (FRC) that does many good things as well as some hateful things as well to flat out a group like the KKK or the Nazi Party is ridiculous and goes beyond simply "intensity".
They spread propaganda that gays are pedophiles.
Tess, I think if they hold the view that the institution of marriage should be under the sole purview of the Church, then they shouldn't even bother with trying to shape secular marriage since in their eyes secular marriage has no validity. They simply have to face the fact that the civil and secular institution of marriage exists whether they like it or not, and apply their own beliefs to the religious institution rather than the secular and civil one. Just because I'm a Hindu who believes that cows are deities and that the consumption of beef is offensive to me doesn't justify me making beef consumption illegal for everyone else.
this type of disrespect toward religion is just as bad as any anti gay remarks anyone else has made. mr cathy said his opinion about what marriage was, this is just openly mocking millions of people because their beliefs are different. Why does no one around here condemn these types of remarks?
Link for this? I quickly scanned their website and found nothing even remotely suggesting that. Maybe I missed it?
“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999
“[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999
“One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
-1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.
“[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
— Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002
“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010
Family Research Council | Southern Poverty Law Center
What hateful things does the FRC do? I don't see it.
No, my issue is with any person or entity that supports, financially or otherwise, groups that spread unjust hateful messages and support arbitrary discrimination against other groups. Chik Fil A and its CEO among other members fit that bill. Furthermore, the FRC is not the only intolerant group that the Winshape foundation has donated to. Exodus International, the NCF, the FCA and other groups are similar in nature.your issue appears to be with the family research council not with chick fil a. Chick fil a gives money to the winshape foundation. The winshape foundation makes donations to huge list of charities many of which are christian based. They also give millions to helping the poor, help homeless kids find permanent homes, puts kids through college, and much more. The winshape foundation has made america a better place.
As far as their involvement with the family research council have you really looked into that? I am curious because from what I was able to find Winshape donated $1000 to them in 2009. Futhermore the FRC does more than just oppress gay people. They oppose gay marriage, abortion, divorce, stem cell research and pornography. Whether Mr. Cathy believes in all those things or some or all of their practices they use to promote their message we dont really know. All anyone around here wants to do is assume since he gave them 1000 dollars out of 9 million that he donated to what he thinks will help make the world a better place is he is doing to oppress gays. For all you know all he opposes as far as gays is them being allowed to be married. He may support civil unions, and fully rights to gay couple under that heading, and support all other gay rights. But so many only see what they want.
Get this through your head. Their's is a twisted version of 'religion.' They are like the WBC.
Christ NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY.
The CORE MESSAGE of CHRIST is LOVE AND TOLERANCE.
Sickening.The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies them as a hate group. Here are a few of their gems:
Link for this? I quickly scanned their website and found nothing even remotely suggesting that. Maybe I missed it? Never mind. Google is my friend.
And they do claim a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. No doubt. Are we sure they're wrong? Is it possible that pedophilia is committed much more often by homosexual males? I don't know. We know one thing for sure: pedophiles are incurable.
Sickening.
i can respect that statment. its the "invisible man in the sky" bit you keep pitching that i have a problem with.
Oh so he was "running his mouth" was he.
He wasn't talking about a political issue with his so-called right to free speech, he was "running his mouth". mmmmhmmmm.
So you're saying the mayors were pandering?
I don't think people have been comparing Chik Fil A to those entities. I think they've compared FRC to those groups - which is understandable. And it doesn't matter if FRC does "good things."
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