Changing Roles

[Bodi]

What? You don't like the female Thor?

Its a part of the "All New All Different" Marvel, which has been hijacked by the SJW's. So sad... oh well, DC Rebirth is awesome.

I think it's idiotic and a betrayal to the characters themselves. It is my belief that characters should have some basic truths about them that stay in place like their race, sex, hair color, eye color, personality, and age. Why feminists feel they should hijack established male characters is not something I understand, but it is something I loathe them for.

In another thread we have been talking about male and female roles in society and how that affects pay.

I have often thought about movie roles and how minorities complain, and often rightly so, that their roles are not properly portrayed by authentic cultures, etc. The obvious is when white actors back in the day did Black Face, or in that Roman Holiday movie the white guy played the angry Chinese neighbor. There are a ton... Alec Guiness played an Arab Sheik in Lawrence of Arabia and all the white guys that played Native Americans in all those Westerns.

Talk of stealing black roles is huge. Denzel has screamed racism for decades.

That was back in a more racist white driven world to be sure and has been mostly stamped out due to social pressure and that is fine.

What I am seeing is that it seems to be OK to do what is wrong to minorities to white people though... Talk of the new James Bond is the black English guy, Idris?, who just played in the Star Trek movie. Denzel and Will Smith have played white characters. Idris also played the Norse God in Thor. Sam Jackson is Nick Fury in the Avengers.

We even have white non-Americans playing Americans. A western a few years ago included Englishman Christian Bale and Australian Russel Crow as American cowboys.

I am certainly not sayin' that the white American male actor is oppressed... but isn't it a double standard?

This thread is not a racism or whatever thread... just an opportunity to discuss it thread.

IS there a double standard?

 

[americanwoman]

Personally I don't care or thinks it's a double standard because I don't have a standard to an imaginary person.

Now when it's a real person, say a Puerto Rican playing a Mexican icon, it does grind my gears a little.

 

[Henrin]

My comment was more about changing an establishing character right down to it's sex and race for no other reason than role reversal bull****. The whole thing to me feels like someone is just trying to be dick because they feel like being a dick.

The idea here isn't really even worth merit either, but just about trying to increase acceptance of an idea by going down already paved roads. For example, if I go down a new road with a new character people might just ignore it, but if I just take an establish character and twist it to my needs it might go better. Of course, people might just reject the whole thing all together, but at least down the established path my risks are lower.

 

[Sweden]

Lots of double standards in many contexts. Take a trivial one: advertising. Its perfectly OK - almost obligatory - to portray men as foolish incompetents. While the women are always sassy and smart.

 

[TheGoverness]

Maybe. Maybe not.

I don't care either way.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

In another thread we have been talking about male and female roles in society and how that affects pay.

I have often thought about movie roles and how minorities complain, and often rightly so, that their roles are not properly portrayed by authentic cultures, etc. The obvious is when white actors back in the day did Black Face, or in that Roman Holiday movie the white guy played the angry Chinese neighbor. There are a ton... Alec Guiness played an Arab Sheik in Lawrence of Arabia and all the white guys that played Native Americans in all those Westerns.

Talk of stealing black roles is huge. Denzel has screamed racism for decades.

That was back in a more racist white driven world to be sure and has been mostly stamped out due to social pressure and that is fine.

What I am seeing is that it seems to be OK to do what is wrong to minorities to white people though... Talk of the new James Bond is the black English guy, Idris?, who just played in the Star Trek movie. Denzel and Will Smith have played white characters. Idris also played the Norse God in Thor. Sam Jackson is Nick Fury in the Avengers.

We even have white non-Americans playing Americans. A western a few years ago included Englishman Christian Bale and Australian Russel Crow as American cowboys.

I am certainly not sayin' that the white American male actor is oppressed... but isn't it a double standard?

This thread is not a racism or whatever thread... just an opportunity to discuss it thread.

IS there a double standard?

Your argument is based on a complete confusion that I corrected, Ironman is not now a woman, Riri Williams is a female character named "Ironheart". It is NOT an analogy with "blackface", at all, yer premise is totally flawed.

Beyond this, I thought there is a rule about not making threads based on others posters comments.

 

[Redress]

In another thread we have been talking about male and female roles in society and how that affects pay.

I have often thought about movie roles and how minorities complain, and often rightly so, that their roles are not properly portrayed by authentic cultures, etc. The obvious is when white actors back in the day did Black Face, or in that Roman Holiday movie the white guy played the angry Chinese neighbor. There are a ton... Alec Guiness played an Arab Sheik in Lawrence of Arabia and all the white guys that played Native Americans in all those Westerns.

Talk of stealing black roles is huge. Denzel has screamed racism for decades.

That was back in a more racist white driven world to be sure and has been mostly stamped out due to social pressure and that is fine.

What I am seeing is that it seems to be OK to do what is wrong to minorities to white people though... Talk of the new James Bond is the black English guy, Idris?, who just played in the Star Trek movie. Denzel and Will Smith have played white characters. Idris also played the Norse God in Thor. Sam Jackson is Nick Fury in the Avengers.

We even have white non-Americans playing Americans. A western a few years ago included Englishman Christian Bale and Australian Russel Crow as American cowboys.

I am certainly not sayin' that the white American male actor is oppressed... but isn't it a double standard?

This thread is not a racism or whatever thread... just an opportunity to discuss it thread.

IS there a double standard?

 

[Henrin]

Personally I don't care or thinks it's a double standard because I don't have a standard to an imaginary person.

Now when it's a real person, say a Puerto Rican playing a Mexican icon, it does grind my gears a little.

That's probably something they think they can get away with easily though. The kind of changes in the OP however are things they know are wrong and they know they will be caught doing, but are doing it anyway for some larger goal outside of the material in question. For these kind of things it's all about the statement the change made and how progressive it is.

 

[Henrin]

Your argument is based on a complete confusion that I corrected, Ironman is not now a woman, Riri Williams is a female character named "Ironheart". It is NOT an analogy with "blackface", at all, yer premise is totally flawed.

Beyond this, I thought there is a rule about not making threads based on others posters comments.

Doesn't matter really. Changing male characters to be female has happened to other characters.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Doesn't matter really. Changing male characters to be female has happened to other characters.

Except...that didn't happen. He, Ironman, did not "change".

 

[Henrin]

Except...that didn't happen. He, Ironman, did not "change".

I really don't care about the example being false. It doesn't at all affect the reality that it still has happened to other characters.

 

[Cephus]

Yes there is, but honestly, it depends on why it's done and that's not something that most people are willing to consider. Movies often make money because of the fame of the actors or actresses starring in them. Therefore, taking a really famous actor that will put butts in seats and make a ton of money is fine, even if they are playing a role that wasn't traditionally for them, either race or gender or whatever. This is really only applicable to real life though. When you're talking about comic books or the like, what often happens is its done specifically for political reasons, where they will make an existing male character female, or an existing white character black, not because they have a specific story-related reason, but because they have a politically driven motive. That's where I object to it. I don't care if they make Idris Elba into James Bond if he is the best actor they can find to play the role. I do care if they do it only because he's black. I don't care if they make a female Doctor Who if the actress is the best one for the job. I do care if they do it because she's a woman. Leftist politics ruins everything.

 

[Northern Light]

Who cares? The comic books and their movies are all about the hero archetype. Heroes never die, they are never truly harmed and always come out of it unscathed in the end. I prefer to hear stories about warriors... ones that know suffering, who fight for truth. The Marvel and DC movies are so flashy. It's all about being impressive. That's the boyhood "hero" archetype playing out. Warriors are far more interesting. They are merely human, and nothing more grandiose than that. Of all the movie characters I could be into, I'd pick Batman because he is the only one who has truly lost yet never becomes more than human.

Plus... I can't stomach anymore CGI/green screen films.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I really don't care about the example being false. It doesn't at all affect the reality that it still has happened to other characters.

I know you don't care about the accuracy of arguments made, so why then did you decide to argue with me about this point?

 

[Henrin]

I know you don't care about the accuracy of arguments made, so why then did you decide to argue with me about this point?

I didn't actually. I accepted that the character is still male, but just informed you that the argument covers a wider complaint.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I didn't actually. I accepted that the character is still male, but just informed you that the argument covers a wider complaint.

A wider "complaint", that is based on erroneous foundations....that you don't care about. I'm seeing a pattern here where your arguments are consistently pointless and utterly useless.

Stop bothering me.

 

[Henrin]

A wider "complaint", that is based on erroneous foundations....that you don't care about. I'm seeing a pattern here where your arguments are consistently pointless and utterly useless.

Stop bothering me.

That is hardly the foundation of the argument.

 

[Bodi]

Your argument is based on a complete confusion that I corrected, Ironman is not now a woman, Riri Williams is a female character named "Ironheart". It is NOT an analogy with "blackface", at all, yer premise is totally flawed.

Nope. I am talking about characters and roles like the ones that I referenced IN MY STATEMENT. Try to keep up.

Beyond this, I thought there is a rule about not making threads based on others posters comments.

Nope...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Nope. I am talking about characters and roles like the ones that I referenced IN MY STATEMENT. Try to keep up.



Nope...

Yer statement...is using quotes....about a character......that has no relation.....to yer....premise.

Phail.

 

[Bodi]

I'm seeing a pattern here

So am I... your arguments are consistently pointless and utterly useless.

 

[Bodi]

Yer statement...is using quotes....about a character......that has no relation.....to yer....premise.

Phail.

You are understanding Henrin better than you are understanding me... stick to him because you can't handle me.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

A wider "complaint", that is based on erroneous foundations....that you don't care about. I'm seeing a pattern here where your arguments are consistently pointless and utterly useless.

Stop bothering me.

So am I... your arguments are consistently pointless and utterly useless.

 

[Redress]

I really don't care about the example being false. It doesn't at all affect the reality that it still has happened to other characters.

Not being true does not change reality...LoLz...

 

[Bodi]

https://m.poMG][/QUOTE]

That means that you lose...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

That means that you lose...

Sure it does, if you believe in it hard enough, all yer dreams will come true.