Challenge for liberals/progressives

[mrjurrs]

Yes...the flag. You shared a flag that was defaced with Trump's name on it and also was from a picture from the Jan 6th riot/insurrection. So there was more there than just the flag. You can't pull some dishonest bullshit like that and not expect to get caught.

Ok, how about this one?

 

[Ouroboros]

It seems that what you were looking for is "We have lovely national forests and our apple pie is to die for."

The problem with your request is that, "lovely national forests" aside, we're a nation that is always on a journey of betterment. The journey of improvement is marked by the negative reality we climbed out of. We established our independence to rid ourselves of monarchy (a monarchist would be offended by this). Slaves were freed (a southern confederate would be offended by this). Women gained the right to vote (a misogynist would be offended by this). African Americans gained (in part) their civil liberties (a racist would be offended by this). And we saved ourselves from fascism using democratic institutions (you are offended by me saying this).

You're annoyed because mentioning the negative thing we overcame offends you. And that's not my problem; that's yours.

Not everyone agrees about what you call “betterment,” and that’s why references to your enemies are inappropriate here.

 

[Ouroboros]

To a person against women's right to vote, praising women's suffrage is a "coded insult." If I want to praise women's suffrage, I have no obligations to avoid making that praise in order to consider the feelings of that person. You're just on the wrong side of an important issue, and that's your problem; not mine.

To somebody on the right side of an issue, praising our democratic institutions for saving us from fascism isn't a coded insult but, as you put it, a thing that stands on its own.

The fascism part is just your subjective interpretation, and that’s what makes it a coded insult.

 

[Cardinal]

Not everyone agrees about what you call “betterment,” and that’s why references to your enemies are inappropriate here.

Why should I care if a misogynist is offended when I say that Women's Suffrage was a good thing? Woman's Suffrage is betterment, and if somebody else disagrees, then that that says a lot more about them than it does about me.

 

[Cardinal]

The fascism part is just your subjective interpretation, and that’s what makes it a coded insult.

That's nice.

 

[Subieguy]

I'm posting this challenge for anyone who identifies as a liberal/progressive to post something positive about the United States of America, and to do so without equivocations or disclaimers.

For the first time in 4 years, I am once again proud to say I am an American.

 

[Ouroboros]

Why should I care if a misogynist is offended when I say that Women's Suffrage was a good thing? Woman's Suffrage is betterment, and if somebody else disagrees, then that that says a lot more about them than it does about me.

Your views on betterment aren’t any more objective realities than they were a few minutes ago.

 

[Cardinal]

Your views on betterment aren’t any more objective realities than they were a few minutes ago.

See post 105.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Challenge for Liberals? As if Liberals all hate the U.S.

Bingo

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Bingo

The argument I keep getting, is that I am anti-American for ANY criticism I might have of guns, or rightwing politics, or obesity, or anything political.
I love Americans, just not certain ones, and those ones will just have to deal with it

 

[CaughtInThe]

The argument I keep getting, is that I am anti-American for ANY criticism I might have of guns, or rightwing politics, or obesity, or anything political.
I love Americans, just not certain ones, and those ones will just have to deal with it

i keep saying this but 30 years of Limbaugh (and those that copied him) have brought us to this point (threads/conversations where it's assumed that anyone not conservative/republican have to prove that they're pro-America/love American/etc).

it's pretty disgusting if you take a step back and see where we came from.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I'm posting this challenge for anyone who identifies as a liberal/progressive to post something positive about the United States of America, and to do so without equivocations or disclaimers.

The United States invented modern concepts of conservation. When we describe National Parks as America's best idea, that is exactly what they are. No other highly populated nation on earth has preserved hundreds of millions of acres of its own land as wilderness. It is what makes us truly unique among other nations.

 

[Fishking]

Ok, how about this one?
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You're still doing the same thing. This shouldn't be difficult.

 

[Fishking]

For the first time in 4 years, I am once again proud to say I am an American.

I added a caveat later that it couldn't have anything to do with Trump, it's sad that you can't think of a genuine good thing to say about the U.S. that isn't shaded with an insult or who is sitting in the WH.

 

[Subieguy]

I added a caveat later that it couldn't have anything to do with Trump, it's sad that you can't think of a genuine good thing to say about the U.S. that isn't shaded with an insult or who is sitting in the WH.

well sir after what he put the country through for four years thats about the best I can do, sorrry.

 

[mrjurrs]

You're still doing the same thing. This shouldn't be difficult.

Don't get the point do you? The flag is not worth idolatry. It is usurped by many forces, and I've shown you that the insurrectionists in DC on 1.6 used it to act like they are patriots.

The flag is divisive, and not an object that I consider standing behind. I believe in America's ideals, not its objects.

 

[Fishking]

Don't get the point do you? The flag is not worth idolatry. It is usurped by many forces, and I've shown you that the insurrectionists in DC on 1.6 used it to act like they are patriots.

The flag is divisive, and not an object that I consider standing behind. I believe in America's ideals, not its objects.

"Air is divisive because KKK members breath air." - mrjurrs

 

[Fishking]

well sir after what he put the country through for four years thats about the best I can do, sorrry.

You understand that the country has existed since before 2016, right?

 

[Grand Mal]

I'm posting this challenge for anyone who identifies as a liberal/progressive to post something positive about the United States of America, and to do so without equivocations or disclaimers.

Good music.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

American ingenuity put a man on the moon.

 

[Luce]

I'm posting this challenge for anyone who identifies as a liberal/progressive to post something positive about the United States of America, and to do so without equivocations or disclaimers.

The fishing is good.

 

[ecofarm]

OP broke my Stupid Meter. I'm gonna have to expand my Irony Meter business. Might as well get started.


At Eco's Irony and Stupid Meters, we have the lowest prices for new, used and repairs.

 

[devildavid]

America has produced great music, movies, and books. But I don't identify as a liberal/progressive, I identify as an American.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I don't see much point in labels. However if Gallup called me up for a poll, I'd answer "progressive" or "center-left," and "I'd rather eat glass than vote for a Republican."

Hmmmm.
Then you're not really a "centrist". IJS.

 

[Subieguy]

You understand that the country has existed since before 2016, right?

of course, and it was in pretty good shape then too.