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Kpuppy0001 said:
Actions speak louder than words and it's his actions that have led to the perception that he is open borders. We've heard politicians on both sides time and again make promises and then undertake actions that are counter to those words. The question is is he a deliberate liar or are these unconscious acts counter to those words. In any case the broad perception is that regardless of what he says his policies have trended towards a perceived open borders agenda.
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And you have yet to show a single instance of Biden doing this. None of your links have and your long drawn out blog post doesn't count since we all know now that you have no idea what open borders actually mean.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
Actions speak louder than words and it's his actions that have led to the perception that he is open borders. We've heard politicians on both sides time and again make promises and then undertake actions that are counter to those words. The question is is he a deliberate liar or are these unconscious acts counter to those words. In any case the broad perception is that regardless of what he says his policies have trended towards a perceived open borders agenda.
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You're speaking for yourself.
 
azgreg said:
And you have yet to show a single instance of Biden doing this. None of your links have and your long drawn out blog post doesn't count since we all know now that you have no idea what open borders actually mean.
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Its about perception, not official definitions. His actions tend towards an incremental approach towards an ends. The polls tend to support an opinion that he has an open borders type (not entirely) agenda. Individual perception is individual reality. Without getting into exactitude of what the definition open borders is to you, we have to look at what it means to that majority and that's where the votes are.
 
azgreg said:
You're perception and those of other far right partisan hacks. This is not reality.
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There are many on both sides who tend to hold those views.What about the Democrats who participated on the polling; and one issue makes someone a far right hack?

Much of life is 90% perception and 10% reality. Are his policies 100% open borders...no. Are they perceived that by many yes, your perceptions do not trump theirs. It's up to to convince them. Barring a significant emotional event, i doubt you'll be able to do that.

And remember, its not about definition its about perception. If you start by talking definition they aren't going to listen.
 
azgreg said:
That's been him this entire thread. Just his opinions and links that don't support his claims.
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The links do, you just put them on ignore because you don't t agree

Ad the is a political forum. Politics are all about opinion.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
The links do, you just put them on ignore because you don't t agree
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No they don't.

Kpuppy0001 said:
Ad the is a political forum. Politics are all about opinion.
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Sure there's opinion in political discourse. Like if you asked me what I though about Biden's stance on Title 42. I'd give you my opinion. However, you made a claim, and to back up a claim you need facts. You've not done that. I made one claim and backed it up with a graph from Border Control. You should try to back up your claim with something other than opinion.
 

No they don't.



Sure there's opinion in political discourse. Like if you asked me what I though about Biden's stance on Title 42. I'd give you my opinion. However, you made a claim, and to back up a claim you need facts. You've not done that. I made one claim and backed it up with a graph from Border Control. You should try to back up your claim with something other than opinion.
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I made a claim about a perception which is held by a considerable amount of people. Throughout the tread i posted links showing that perception. Posting a definition isn't going to change their perception of what open borders means to them. Your graph only leads cred nce to the perception that the illegal crossers believe Biden invited them.

www.reuters.com

Facing influx of migrants, Biden says he makes 'no apologies' for border policy changes

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday he would not apologize for rolling back immigration policies of his Republican predecessor that undermined "human dignity" and brushed off criticism that migrants were making the journey to the southern border because they perceived...
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No they don't.



Sure there's opinion in political discourse. Like if you asked me what I though about Biden's stance on Title 42. I'd give you my opinion. However, you made a claim, and to back up a claim you need facts. You've not done that. I made one claim and backed it up with a graph from Border Control. You should try to back up your claim with something other than opinion.
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Kpuppy0001 said:
I made a claim about a perception which is held by a considerable amount of people. Throughout the tread i posted links showing that perception. Posting a definition isn't going to change their perception of what open borders means to them. Your graph only leads cred nce to the perception that the illegal crossers believe Biden invited them.
www.reuters.com

Facing influx of migrants, Biden says he makes 'no apologies' for border policy changes

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Thursday he would not apologize for rolling back immigration policies of his Republican predecessor that undermined "human dignity" and brushed off criticism that migrants were making the journey to the southern border because they perceived...
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Rolling back TFG's policies isn't the same thing as open borders and your claim was this:

To answer the first of your questions actions speak louder than words and the POTUS's actions and attempted actions in regards to the border bespeak of an open border agenda
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Nothing about perception.

You're not very good at this.
 
azgreg said:
This piece links back to anther link you posted earlier. Still doesn't support your claim.
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Ot supports why there is the perception that he has open borders tendencies. Instead of phones and debit cards they should be in detention facilities.
 
azgreg said:
Rolling back TFG's policies isn't the same thing as open borders and your claim was this:



Nothing about perception.

You're not very good at this.
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The perception is that It sends a message that trends an open border mindset
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
The perception is that It sends a message that trends an open border mindset
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Again the perception is your opinion and not fact. Facts don't support your claim.
 
azgreg said:
Again the perception is your opinion and not fact. Facts don't support your claim.
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What facts other than a definition and graph have you presented other than a "Nah Uh"

What you are stating is also opinion.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
What facts other than a definition and graph have you presented other than a "Nah Uh"

What you are stating is also opinion.
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It was a graph put out by the border control showing the rise in SW border apprehensions which is far more than you've provided.
 
azgreg said:
It was a graph put out by the border control showing the rise in SW border apprehensions which is far more than you've provided.
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And all that shows is More illegal immigrants are coming because they feel Joe os welcoming them with cell phones, debit cards and hotel stays and curtailed enforcement and prosecution.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
And all that shows is More illegal immigrants are coming because they feel Joe os welcoming them with cell phones, debit cards and hotel stays and curtailed enforcement and prosecution.
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No, it shows that the government is supporting a non-open border policy. Again, you're not very good at this. Maybe you should try the My Little Pony forum.
 
azgreg said:
No, it shows that the government is supporting a non-open border policy. Again, you're not very good at this. Maybe you should try the My Little Pony forum.
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Given what Ive posted in #193. Add on the debit cards, cell phones and hotel rooms, id say that shoots your position all to heck.

Why do you think the BP agents are all pissed off at him.


 
Kpuppy0001 said:
Given what Ive posted in #193. Add on the debit cards, cell phones and hotel rooms, id say that shoots your position all to heck.
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Jesus Christ man. Still not a support of your OPEN BORDER claim. ****!

Kpuppy0001 said:
Why do you think the BP agents are all pissed off at him.


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From what I've read a majority of border control agents want a closed border or at least very restrictive like I'm assuming you do. Their disagreement with Biden over his policies isn't a argument for him support open borders. Do I need to get you a dictionary?
 
azgreg said:
Jesus Christ man. Still not a support of your OPEN BORDER claim. ****!



From what I've read a majority of border control agents want a closed border or at least very restrictive like I'm assuming you do. Their disagreement with Biden over his policies isn't a argument for him support open borders. Do I need to get you a dictionary?
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Your adamant refusal to understand the power of the perception that he does have an agenda to that end shows you the empathy or open mind to understand their position. Again you come with Nah Uh, its not so. Put the dictionary away because thats not the definition these folks are using. If you were to a group of BP agents they would tell you that they feel the POTUS and Sec Mayorkas have an open borders mindset. I know this because I interact with BP agents daily.

Nah Uh isn't an argument its a denial. Once again this is about perception, not your college dictionary definition.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
Your adamant refusal to understand the power of the perception that he does have an agenda to that end shows you the empathy or open mind to understand their position. Again you come with Nah Uh, its not so. Put the dictionary away because thats not the definition these folks are using. If you were to a group of BP agents they would tell you that they feel the POTUS and Sec Mayorkas have an open borders mindset. I know this because I interact with BP agents daily.

Nah Uh isn't an argument its a denial. Once again this is about perception, not your college dictionary definition.
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