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CBS Poll: 8-in-10 Americans Support Reducing Immigration, Stricter Vetting

Lursa said:
I scanned it, missed it. Please quote where Biden says he's supporting an open borders policy?
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YOu give "obtuse" new meaning. Kudos. Good German!
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Biden is not trying to reduce immigration in anyway.
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Yes he is. What you are describing is open borders; a right wing myth.

EMNofSeattle said:
In fact he is going to outright encourage it. That is why his government is repealing the title 42 order. He is repealing this so that economic immigrants, who have no valid asylum claim but who are being coached by pro immigrant NGOs on how to lie to our immigration officers can be brought in by the millions to claim asylum.
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Speculation.

EMNofSeattle said:
And you are saying that Joe Biden making weak claims that maybe Congress should pass stricter laws on people who hire illegals is going to erase that?
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"Weak claims that maybe Congress..."

No. I am saying he should make strong claims. Push for legislation. Sign EOs when appropriate, get public support.

Yes, I truly believe that if employers stop hiring illegals, it will positively effect illegal immigration...significantly.

EMNofSeattle said:
Irrelevant

There is plenty of blame on the right, but the Democrats are the ones demanding massive migration to replace white middle class voters, and this is their stated reason. The left literally cheered census reports showing the white population declining in 2020.
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Ahhh, the replacement theory. Tell Tucker I said hello.

EMNofSeattle said:
Blah blah blah
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Exactly. Typical. Cow tow to employers, point fingers at the other guy while throwing in some self righteousness and yep; you get blah blah blah.
 
Indlib said:
Yes he is. What you are describing is open borders; a right wing myth.



Speculation.



"Weak claims that maybe Congress..."

No. I am saying he should make strong claims. Push for legislation. Sign EOs when appropriate, get public support.

Yes, I truly believe that if employers stop hiring illegals, it will positively effect illegal immigration...significantly.



Ahhh, the replacement theory. Tell Tucker I said hello.


Exactly. Typical. Cow tow to employers, point fingers at the other guy while throwing in some self righteousness and yep; you get blah blah blah.
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Joe Biden has not signed one executive order to reduce immigration. Not one. Every order he has filed has been to make it easier. Including illegal immigration.
 
Not exactly what the polls says.
The breitbart headline, as usual, is deceiving.
 
Mustachio said:
You can’t debate a person who shows you an apple and demands to know why it’s an orange. The law is all you care about and just want immigrants to have no rights. All immigrants you mean, and bring them back to ..:. The border? You said you don’t mean “just Mexicans” but you said “they are entitled to nothing but a bus ride home.” I don’t know if you’re a fascist or an apologist for fascism but don’t hide behind the constitution while you rip it up with desantis and Abbott.
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You fail to differentiate between lawful and illegal immigration and there is a difference, which is stated in the INA. I believe in enforcing the law as it's is written. That isn't fascist. If you don't like the laws work harder to gain support to have them changed and ill change my approach. You don't get to redefine or reinterpret to meet your personal agenda.
 
Mustachio said:
You can’t debate a person who shows you an apple and demands to know why it’s an orange. The law is all you care about and just want immigrants to have no rights. All immigrants you mean, and bring them back to ..:. The border? You said you don’t mean “just Mexicans” but you said “they are entitled to nothing but a bus ride home.” I don’t know if you’re a fascist or an apologist for fascism but don’t hide behind the constitution while you rip it up with desantis and Abbott.
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Also,

Legal and illegal immigrants are apples and orange. One is a law abiding individual. The other a line jumper and a criminal. Those are facts my friend. I like legal immigrants, when I process them I smile and welcome them to the United States. As to those Entering Without Inspection, I had no problem with them being sent back to apply legally. If they want a better life they need to apply and be vetted just like everyone else, and no I dont think they have right to be here. If you want to stop illegal immigration, don't reward it. BTw I'm all in for prosecution of those employing them.

BLUFf: not their country, they weren't invited, didn't apply legally and they didn't present themselves at a legal Port of Entry. They have engaged in criminal behavior and have no right to be here, period.
 
bongsaway said:
And the miles of trucks backed up at the open border in texas. What's causing the traffic jams?
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Bunnies... a truck broke down and bunnies are all over the highway.
 
Rawley said:
YOu give "obtuse" new meaning. Kudos. Good German!
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Dont attack me when your argument fails. What "meaning" do you give to people that dont accept responsibility for their own failures and blame others?
 
Lursa said:
I must have missed where Biden supported an open borders plan.

Source?

And I'm not sure about your math skills...if you believe YOUR source...does it seem like most Democrats/liberals are also for open borders? Or for relaxed immigration enforcement? Do you know what 80% means?
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His source is his arse and there's no greater source than a man's arse.
 
slavablueberryjam said:
His source is his arse and there's no greater source than a man's arse.
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What we have here is a difference of opinion based upon perceptions. As the substance of my links have concluded the overall perception is that the POTUS is engaging in double-speak to give the perception that he is for controlling the border. His actions tend to prove otherwise, again in perception. For instance, if you tell the citizenry that you are going to protect the border, then cancel the contract on the wall that creates cognitive dissonance. If as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States of America, you are charged with enforcing the laws and constitution of the United States and then tell ICE only to enforce and only to deport in certain circumstances that creates yet more cognitive dissonance. if you say you are going to control the border and then try to eliminate "Remain in Mexico" (the courts stopped him, but he tried hard); more cognitive dissonance. When administration attempts to covertly Bus, or fly Illegal Immigrants into city's deep within the interior rather to detention centers (caught lying about it) there's some more cognitive dissonance. Restore funding to Sanctuary City's an states, more cognitive dissonance. Allowing more to file for DACA instead of capping it where it is, more cognitive dissonance. Terminate the state of emergency at the Southern Border, more cognitive dissonance. Lift VISA restriction on Threat nations, more cognitive dissonance. Allow Illegal Immigrants to be counted in the census, more cognitive dissonance. Suspend new enrollments in the Migrant Protection Protocol Program, more cognitive dissonance. Lift Caps on Refugee ( who in interview south of the border openly state they are coming for a better life, not for legitimate ground for Asylee or Refugee status, and that they've been coached on what to say), more cognitive dissonance.

Yet the POTUS is saying he is going to protect the border. Do you see why many perceive him to be a "Closet Open Border liar" I'm not sure if you've been exposed to this expression, but "The reality you believe is the one you perceive". We have administration that says one thing and yet does another in regards to illegal immigration; and in the broader perception is Open Borders, it's not just to the American people, but to those thousands of line jumpers in the caravans forming up and heading North and the POTUS's actions and verbiage are telling them "Pass Olea" Come on in.
 
It's clear to me that there are those in this thread that have no idea what an open border is.

Listen to Gary Johnson on what an open border really is.

My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.
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azgreg said:
It's clear to me that there are those in this thread that have no idea what an open border is.

Listen to Gary Johnson on what an open border really is.
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One could reasonably argue that curtailing enforcement of Immigration Law is a defacto- open border policy.

and o you really think Gary Johnson is representative of majority opinion?
 
Crovax said:
Well we were talking about the 2022 election
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You weren't talking about the 2022 election if you were talking about Biden as VySky clearly was.
 
Kpuppy0001 said:
One could reasonably argue that curtailing enforcement of Immigration Law is a defacto- open border policy.
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No can't.

Kpuppy0001 said:
and o you really think Gary Johnson is representative of majority opinion?
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No he's not, and the number of democrats for open borders can fit in a Waffle House.
 
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