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Case where teenager was shot/killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314,2133]

Re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Monday[W:841, 1051

reinoe said:
The girlfriend...
She's not being charge with anything? Was she offered some sort of plea deal?
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She hasn't been charged since she hasn't committed a crime.
 
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reinoe said:
Wait a minute wait a minute. I have a few questions that have probably been answered in this thread but I need some help here...

Dunn...
Was he sitting in his vehicle when he opened fire or was he standing?

The girlfriend...
She's not being charge with anything? Was she offered some sort of plea deal?

The Van...
Were the windows tinted or not? I imagine that they were rolled down but with the absolute cluster**** of evidence literally being made up on the spot I just can't be sure.
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Dunn was sitting and shooting through his window then opened the door and shot from a crouch as the Durango pulled away.

Dunn's GF isn't being charged with anything.

By "van" I assume you're talking about the Durango and id does have tinted windows which were up on the passenger side at the time of the incident.
 
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Lutherf said:
Dunn was sitting and shooting through his window then opened the door and shot from a crouch as the Durango pulled away.

Dunn's GF isn't being charged with anything.

By "van" I assume you're talking about the Durango and id does have tinted windows which were up on the passenger side at the time of the incident.
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If that's true then Dunn is even more guilty than I imagined. I mean I knew his story was b.s. but it's even worse than I thought...

1) If Dunn were standing then at least I could see how he could at least pretend he saw a shotgun. If he were sitting then there's no way he could have mistakenly seen a shotgun. Think about it. If you're sitting in a car and you're next to a car of equal height, if you're looking at that other car full of passengers then all you can see is the shoulders. You can't really see into the interior of the other vehicle at all. For Dunn to have "accidentally" seen a shotgun someone had to have been straight up brandishing it. Even if you're Andre the giant, two cars sitting across from each other prevents you from really seeing the interior of another car from a sitting position in another vehicle.:bs

2) Words fail. Tinted windows were rolled up? So then how could there have even been a confrontation if the windows on the passenger side were rolled up unless Dunn initiated all of it? Rolled up windows block sound. WTF

3) Again, please tell my you're kidding right? I thought this whole time Dunn simply had the gun on his person and started shooting. So he actually reached into his glove compartment and started shooting, then not satisfied that he had run the children off, started shooting as they fled for their lives?:shoot

I'm sure the only deliberations taking place are "can we charge him with first degree murder even if the lawyers didn't put that on the table"? He needs to go to jail for the rest of his life.:bon_voyag
 
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reinoe said:
If that's true then Dunn is even more guilty than I imagined. I mean I knew his story was b.s. but it's even worse than I thought...

1) If Dunn were standing then at least I could see how he could at least pretend he saw a shotgun. If he were sitting then there's no way he could have mistakenly seen a shotgun. Think about it. If you're sitting in a car and you're next to a car of equal height, if you're looking at that other car full of passengers then all you can see is the shoulders. You can't really see into the interior of the other vehicle at all. For Dunn to have "accidentally" seen a shotgun someone had to have been straight up brandishing it. Even if you're Andre the giant, two cars sitting across from each other prevents you from really seeing the interior of another car from a sitting position in another vehicle.:bs

2) Words fail. Tinted windows were rolled up? So then how could there have even been a confrontation if the windows on the passenger side were rolled up unless Dunn initiated all of it? Rolled up windows block sound. WTF

3) Again, please tell my you're kidding right? I thought this whole time Dunn simply had the gun on his person and started shooting. So he actually reached into his glove compartment and started shooting, then not satisfied that he had run the children off, started shooting as they fled for their lives?:shoot

I'm sure the only deliberations taking place are "can we charge him with first degree murder even if the lawyers didn't put that on the table"? He needs to go to jail for the rest of his life.:bon_voyag
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Don't get ahead of yourself.

The appeal process is already in the works
 
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Excon said:
More ridiculousness.

Neither you or the prosecutor have yet to present anything that casts doubt on his credibility.


And the argument was that it was not evidence, which it is. No that it wasn't admitted yet.
Which matters not to it actually being evidence.
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It's obviously not ridiculous, as you are unable to rebut any of it....esp. the implication that you 'know' that the jury has heard nothing that casts doubt on Dunn's credibility.

But go ahead...keep writing it.....Einstein is smiling as you prove him right :mrgreen:
 
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Doubt on his credibility he said they he had a gun or a pipe in the car. the police found no weapons at all.

in any event this is another abuse of the stand your ground law. i have no idea why judges allow lawyers to get
away with it. i doubt the jury is going to let this one slide.

they can try to appeal, but i have a feeling after the george zimmerman case that this guy is going to jail as he should.
you can't just shoot at someone because they cuss you out or you think they might be going for a weapon.

that is not the purpose of the law. hopefully with a conviction that this will end all this pandering.
 
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AGENT J said:
the knife was brought up on day one and briefly mentioned, just described as contents in the pocket because its meaningless :)
i still have two vids to watch tonight i though i was done but i skipped the middle two i think

i posted a poll about it here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/185959-michael-dunn-murder-trial-jordan-davis-guilty-not.html


and here are all the vids

Day 1 opening statments
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 OPENING STATEMENTS - YouTube
Day 1 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 2 - YouTube
Day 1 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
Day 2 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 2 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 2 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON FINAL - YouTube
Day 3 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 2 - YouTube
Day 3 part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 4
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 5
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
Day 4 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 4 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 2 (MEDICAL EXAMINER) - YouTube
Day 4 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 4 Part 4
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube
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You can also catch it here, both live and achieves. if you have Roku, you can watch the livesteam channel on TV.

Michael Dunn Trial on Livestream
 
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ludin said:
Doubt on his credibility he said they he had a gun or a pipe in the car. the police found no weapons at all.

in any event this is another abuse of the stand your ground law. i have no idea why judges allow lawyers to get
away with it. i doubt the jury is going to let this one slide.

they can try to appeal, but i have a feeling after the george zimmerman case that this guy is going to jail as he should.
you can't just shoot at someone because they cuss you out or you think they might be going for a weapon.

that is not the purpose of the law. hopefully with a conviction that this will end all this pandering.
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Dunn did not shoot because *thuggish individuals* were "cussing"

Dunn shot in SD because he believed (after seeing the shotgun barrel pointed towards him) his life and gf were in danger

He truly believed that
 
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ric27 said:
Dunn did not shoot because *thuggish individuals* were "cussing"

Dunn shot in SD because he believed (after seeing the shotgun barrel pointed towards him) his life and gf were in danger

He truly believed that
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Wrong. That is what he is hoping the jury will believe. He had to come up with a better story than his getting pissed at some punks and blasting away at their vehicle. So now he comes up with this bs story he thought they had a shotgun. Yeah, I really doubt the jury is going to bite that.

He is just another criminal getting caught and squirming with the most implausible excuses. His actions after the shooting are equivalent to hit and run.

Book him Danno!
 
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Crosscheck said:
Wrong. That is what he is hoping the jury will believe. He had to come up with a better story than his getting pissed at some punks and blasting away at their vehicle. So now he comes up with this bs story he thought they had a shotgun. Yeah, I really doubt the jury is going to bite that.

He is just another criminal getting caught and squirming with the most implausible excuses. His actions after the shooting are equivalent to hit and run.

Book him Danno!
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There are options....If it comes down to a guilty verdict.

The thing is to get the minimum..move away from Angela Corey and immediately appeal to a higher court
 
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Judge Healey just announced Dunn will testify.
 
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Dunn's lawyer is avoiding the fact that Dunn never bothered to call the police or why he never bothered to call the police. Unfortunately I've only been listening for 30 minutes and I can't focus on this 'cuz I have to go to work.
 
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Oh wow, Dunn's falling apart on cross examination.
 
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reinoe said:
Oh wow, Dunn's falling apart on cross examination.
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Any more info? Can you give us any details? (Can't watch)
 
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Lursa said:
Any more info? Can you give us any details? (Can't watch)
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I only watched the first 15 minutes of cross.

Dunn said that Davis was outside of the vehicle during testimony. Then on cross the attorney revealed several letters showing that Dunn confessed that Davis was actually leaning into the car. But I had to take a shower.

Now that I'm back holy ****...Dunn just admitted "I MISCHARACTERIZED THE I'M GOING TO KILL YOU THREAT" Wow. The cross is something to behold.

Taking the stand was the worst thing possible for Dunn. It allows the letters to be introduced, it allows the first police interview (where Dunn never mentioned the weapon) got introduced. And now Dunn is admitting that it wasn't that the music was loud it's that it was annoying.

CONTRADICTIONS GALORE! I wish I didn't have to go to work.
 
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reinoe said:
I only watched the first 15 minutes of cross.

Dunn said that Davis was outside of the vehicle during testimony. Then on cross the attorney revealed several letters showing that Dunn confessed that Davis was actually leaning into the car. But I had to take a shower.

Now that I'm back holy ****...Dunn just admitted "I MISCHARACTERIZED THE I'M GOING TO KILL YOU THREAT" Wow. The cross is something to behold.

Taking the stand was the worst thing possible for Dunn. It allows the letters to be introduced, it allows the first police interview (where Dunn never mentioned the weapon) got introduced. And now Dunn is admitting that it wasn't that the music was loud it's that it was annoying.

CONTRADICTIONS GALORE! I wish I didn't have to go to work.
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It sounds like his lawyer didnt even prep him.
 
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This is turning into a comedy of errors.
 
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My last post because it's time to go...

Dunn says that their cars were too close to each other to open the doors fully.
And he says that Davis was enraged, animated, and exiting the vehicle. But that during this enragement the door wasn't opened explosively and it didn't hit Dunn's car.

"I didn't write these letters for you all, I wrote these letters for my family."
 
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reinoe said:
My last post because it's time to go...

Dunn says that their cars were too close to each other to open the doors fully.
And he says that Davis was enraged, animated, and exiting the vehicle. But that during this enragement the door wasn't opened explosively and it didn't hit Dunn's car.

"I didn't write these letters for you all, I wrote these letters for my family."
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I wonder, since those letters were admitted, maybe they can be used as a reason for a mistrial or re-trial? As prejudicial?

Just a thought, I dont know the circumstances under which they were admitted...or the legal basis for a later finding they were not admissable.

Thanks Reinoe.
 
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Lursa said:
It's obviously not ridiculous, as you are unable to rebut any of it....esp. the implication that you 'know' that the jury has heard nothing that casts doubt on Dunn's credibility.

But go ahead...keep writing it.....Einstein is smiling as you prove him right :mrgreen:
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Holy ****!
D'oh!


More ridiculousness.

You have yet to present anything that casts doubt on his credibility.
I can not rebut that which you have not provided.
Nor can I rebut untrue assertions by you other than pointing out your assertions are untrue, and ridiculous.

So yes, you are being ridiculously silly.
 
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Excon said:
Holy ****!
D'oh!


More ridiculousness.

You have yet to present anything that casts doubt on his credibility.
I can not rebut that which you have not provided.
Nor can I rebut untrue assertions by you other than pointing out your assertions are untrue, and ridiculous.

So yes, you are being ridiculously silly.
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He says a shotgun was present.

There was no shotgun.

Credibility in doubt.
 
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Tettsuo said:
He says a shotgun was present.

There was no shotgun.

Credibility in doubt.
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:doh
No shotgun present does not mean there was no shotgun.
The young adults actions after the fact, suggest that there may have been.
No credibility shot with that.
 
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Excon said:
:doh
No shotgun present does not mean there was no shotgun.
The young adults actions after the fact, suggest that there may have been.
No credibility shot with that.
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If you claim something is there and no one can find that something... your account of the scene is automatically questionable. Thus, making your credibility questionable.
 
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Excon said:
Holy ****!
D'oh!


More ridiculousness.

You have yet to present anything that casts doubt on his credibility.
I can not rebut that which you have not provided.
Nor can I rebut untrue assertions by you other than pointing out your assertions are untrue, and ridiculous.

So yes, you are being ridiculously silly.
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Lursa said:
It's obviously not ridiculous, as you are unable to rebut any of it....esp. the implication that you 'know' that the jury has heard nothing that casts doubt on Dunn's credibility.

But go ahead...keep writing it.....Einstein is smiling as you prove him right
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there are many posts where I explained how his credibility is in question. That is FACT. You are unable to process the written word it seems, or are outright lying. If anything is ridiculous, it's that. Fortunately, I have my signature below, in green.

You cannot argue where I explained it. That's why you continue to post 'ridiculous' over and over.

Also, please keep the profanity to yourself, you are getting overly emotional...your lack of control is another indicator of your lack of relevant information.
 
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Lursa said:
there are many posts where I explained how his credibility is in question. That is FACT.
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:doh
No there isn't.


Lursa said:
You are unable to process the written word it seems, or are outright lying. If anything is ridiculous, it's that. Fortunately, I have my signature below, in green.
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Speaking about yourself again.


Lursa said:
You cannot argue where I explained it. That's why you continue to post 'ridiculous' over and over.
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You have dome no such thing. You have made ridiculous assertion ios all you have done.


Lursa said:
Also, please keep the profanity to yourself, you are getting overly emotional...your lack of control is another indicator of your lack of relevant information.
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Holy ****! :doh
Stop making ridiculous personal assertions that apply far more to you than they do me.
iLOL :lamo
 
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