Case where teenager was shot/killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314,2133]

[Smeagol]

This is the case where in November 2012 Michael Dunn pulled into a gas station to get gas. In another car loud music was playing, occupied by a group of teenaged boys. Dunn approached the boys and asked them to turn down their music. Some sort of very exchange occurred, which coupled with seeing a gun in the teens' possession that was never found by police left Dunn fearing for his life. After the exchange, Dunn returned to his car to retrieve his pistol then back to the car with loud music where he proceeded to open fire on the car. He then returned to his own and drove home 200 miles away never bothering to call the police. The gas station attendant who took down Dunn's license called 911. An ambulance took critically injured teen Jordan Davis to the hospital where he later died. Local police in Dunn's hometown arrested him for murder the next day.

The Angela Corey, who was appointed Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman trial will personally serve as lead prosecutor in the Michael Dunn case. It should be an interesting trail. Although both cases have strong race relations aspects, unlike Travon Martin, who arguably had some social issues; Jordan Davis was a pretty clean cut kid, a good student, a member of his church youth group and wanted to serve his country as a United States Marine after high school. Although Prosecutor Angela Corey's office represented the state both cases, she did not personally prosecute the Zimmerman case as she will in the Dunn case.

Jacksonville ready for Michael Dunn trial | News - Home

 

[Dittohead not!]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

This is the case where in November 2012 Michael Dunn pulled into a gas station to get gas. In another car loud music was playing, occupied by a group of teenaged boys. Dunn approached the boys and asked them to turn down their music. Some sort of very exchange occurred, which coupled with seeing a gun in the teens' possession that was never found by police left Dunn fearing for his life. After the exchange, Dunn returned to his car to retrieve his pistol then back to the car with loud music where he proceeded to open fire on the car. He then returned to his own and drove home 200 miles away never bothering to call the police. The gas station attendant who took down Dunn's license called 911. An ambulance took critically injured teen Jordan Davis to the hospital where he later died. Local police in Dunn's hometown arrested him for murder the next day.

The Angela Corey, who was appointed Special Prosecutor in the George Zimmerman trial will personally serve as lead prosecutor in the Michael Dunn case. It should be an interesting trail. Although both cases have strong race relations aspects, unlike Travon Martin, who arguably had some social issues; Jordan Davis was a pretty clean cut kid, a good student, a member of his church youth group and wanted to serve his country as a United States Marine after high school. Although Prosecutor Angela Corey's office represented the state both cases, she did not personally prosecute the Zimmerman case as she will in the Dunn case.

Jacksonville ready for Michael Dunn trial | News - Home

He went to his car, retrieved a pistol, and then came back?

He's toast.

 

[Goshin]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

He went to his car, retrieved a pistol, and then came back?

He's toast.

Probably yes. Several actions on his part that seriously discredit any SD claims.

 

[Smeagol]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

He went to his car, retrieved a pistol, and then came back?

He's toast.

That's my opinion too.

He's been writing racially enflamed letters to the media from jail I think in an attempt to disqualify as many people as possible from the jury pool who would be offended by racially insensitive attitudes. The prosecution tried unsuccessfully to seal them until the trial.

Although Dunn has repeatedly defended himself against accusations of being a racist, recent reports paint a troubling picture of the 45-year-old's outlook on society.

In several letters reportedly written from jail, and obtained by News4Jax, Dunn rants about killing "thugs" so "they take the hint and change their behavior," black-on-white crime and the liberal media.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/jordan-davis-shooter-michael-dunn_n_4123805.html

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

He went to his car, retrieved a pistol, and then came back?

He's toast.

That's not what happened. The article is disinformation that is obviously designed to taint the jury pool.

 

[Smeagol]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

That's not what happened. The article is disinformation that is obviously designed to taint the jury pool.

Edit: Maybe you're right. The first account I saw was different.

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Probably yes. Several actions on his part that seriously discredit any SD claims.

No, the article is written by a liar.

I think it is obvious that what happened is that Dunn was sitting in his car and the piece of human waste thug in the right rear seat of the red Durango threatened to murder Dunn and started to get out of the truck and Dunn shot him in self defense.

This analysis is completely consistent with all of the witnesses' statements.

Dunn did not "go back to his car". He never got out of the car in the first place.

 

[soccerboy22]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

If it is true that he went back to his car to get the gun and then went back to confront the boys, then I cannot see the self defense argument holding very much water.

 

[Goshin]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

No, the article is written by a liar.

I think it is obvious that what happened is that Dunn was sitting in his car and the piece of human waste thug in the right rear seat of the red Durango threatened to murder Dunn and started to get out of the truck and Dunn shot him in self defense.

This analysis is completely consistent with all of the witnesses' statements.

Dunn did not "go back to his car". He never got out of the car in the first place.

Ok. Got a link? I don't remember the details of this case from when we first talked about it offhand.

 

[DiAnna]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

He went to his car, retrieved a pistol, and then came back?

He's toast.

Not necessarily. It's Florida, after all. He was just standing his ground.

 

[soccerboy22]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Ok. Got a link? I don't remember the details of this case from when we first talked about it offhand.

I found this: Jordan Davis update: Michael Dunn charged with first-degree murder, trial scheduled for September 23

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Ok. Got a link? I don't remember the details of this case from when we first talked about it offhand.

That was probably almost a year ago. But I remember reading through the documents with the witness statements. It was a clear case of self defense.

The guys in the Durango had the music cranked up to an apparently offensive level. Dunn rolled down his window and asked them to turn it down and apparently realizing their social faux paux they politely turned it down. But the guy in the back passenger seat got pissed and said to turn it back up. Which they did. Then he threatened to kill Dunn repeatedly and tried to go after him. Dunn was scared and shot in self defense.

Even the guys own friends heard him screaming at Dunn over the loud music.


EDIT: Found it. (large pdf file)

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/19561384/data/3/-/mlr4iiz/-/Michael-Dunn-discovery-materials.pdf

 

[Smeagol]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Whether or not he didn't return to his car, the allegations that he fled the scene and never attempted to contact authorities after the shooting and the fact that no weapon in possession of the teens was ever found makes an acquittal very unlikely in my opinion.

The only thing that I think will get Dunn off the hook will be video backing up Dunn's claim or at least a couple of witnesses saying they heard Davis threaten to kill him.

Now that Chis Christie is looking less and less likely to be the best hope of te Republican Party wih win back the White House, I do wonder how the Florida Stand Your Ground law will affect the GOP's next best hope, Jeb Bush's chances at getting elected President. It was Gov. Jeb Bush who signed stand your ground into law.

 

[Dittohead not!]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

No, the article is written by a liar.

I think it is obvious that what happened is that Dunn was sitting in his car and the piece of human waste thug in the right rear seat of the red Durango threatened to murder Dunn and started to get out of the truck and Dunn shot him in self defense.

This analysis is completely consistent with all of the witnesses' statements.

Dunn did not "go back to his car". He never got out of the car in the first place.

So, you have information that the article in the OP is wrong?

Can you post it?

 

[Dittohead not!]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

That was probably almost a year ago. But I remember reading through the documents with the witness statements. It was a clear case of self defense.

The guys in the Durango had the music cranked up to an apparently offensive level. Dunn rolled down his window and asked them to turn it down and apparently realizing their social faux paux they politely turned it down. But the guy in the back passenger seat got pissed and said to turn it back up. Which they did. Then he threatened to kill Dunn repeatedly and tried to go after him. Dunn was scared and shot in self defense.

Even the guys own friends heard him screaming at Dunn over the loud music.


EDIT: Found it. (large pdf file)

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/19561384/data/3/-/mlr4iiz/-/Michael-Dunn-discovery-materials.pdf

Oh.
So, it comes down to which account is correct, or which one the jury believes.

 

[reinoe]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

The music was loud to "offensive levels" so he decides to get closer to the loud music? Ok it is Florida. Next time someone is driving around in a Harley I expect their brains to get blown out too.

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Oh.
So, it comes down to which account is correct, or which one the jury believes.

All of the eyewitness accounts are consistent with Dunn's account. What do you mean "which account"?

There is no discrepancies between Dunn's account and the account of the guys in the Durango.

It's such a clear cut case of self defense that it's a travesty of justice to even charge him.

 

[soccerboy22]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Whether or not he didn't return to his car, the allegations that he fled the scene and never attempted to contact authorities after the shooting and the fact that no weapon in possession of the teens was ever found makes an acquittal very unlikely in my opinion.

The only thing that I think will get Dunn off the hook will be video backing up Dunn's claim or at least a couple of witnesses saying they heard Davis threaten to kill him.

Now that Chis Christie is looking less and less likely to be the best hope of te Republican Party wih win back the White House, I do wonder how the Florida Stand Your Ground law will affect the GOP's next best hope, Jeb Bush's chances at getting elected President. It was Gov. Jeb Bush who signed stand your ground into law.

The threats alone are not enough because most self-defense statutes words alone are not enough. There usually needs to be some sort of action involved too.

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Lesson: Don't just go around threatening to kill people for no good reason. Why? Because someone who you are threatening might take your punk-ass seriously one day and defend themselves.

 

[Buck Ewer]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

All of the eyewitness accounts are consistent with Dunn's account. What do you mean "which account"?

There is no discrepancies between Dunn's account and the account of the guys in the Durango.

It's such a clear cut case of self defense that it's a travesty of justice to even charge him.

No gun seen or found in the kids car.
In fact in his initial interview Dunn never mentioned any fire arm in the kids car.
Only in the grand jury investigation did Dunn report that he "thinks he saw a shotgun".
Dunn's charge was upgraded from second degree murder to first degree by the grand jury.
An additional three counts of attempted murder have been brought because the three other kids in the Durango were in danger but luckily escaped injury when Dunn fired eight rounds at the car.

 

[reinoe]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

No gun seen or found in the kids car.

The music was loud to "offensive levels" and yet there are witness accounts that they clearly heard Dunn's life getting threatened? What? Ok sure whatever.

 

[iguanaman]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

All of the eyewitness accounts are consistent with Dunn's account. What do you mean "which account"?

There is no discrepancies between Dunn's account and the account of the guys in the Durango.

It's such a clear cut case of self defense that it's a travesty of justice to even charge him.

A insanely racist SOB takes his revolver and shoots up a car full of unarmed young boys and you don't think he should be charged?
You keep getting worse and worse.

 

[Buck Ewer]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

Lesson: Don't just go around threatening to kill people for no good reason. Why? Because someone who you are threatening might take your punk-ass seriously one day and defend themselves.

If words can get you legally killed ... then we are all in trouble.

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

If words can get you legally killed ... then we are all in trouble.

Do you go around threatening to kill people you don't even know?

 

[Muhammed]

re: Case where teenager was shot and killed over loud music starts Mon[W:841, 1051,1314]

A insanely racist SOB takes his revolver and shoots up a car full of unarmed young boys and you don't think he should be charged?
You keep getting worse and worse.

WRONG. Let's get the facts straight. He shot 1 thug who threatened to kill him.

I strongly suspect that when you say he is racist you are merely projecting.