Can we stop ISIS?

[poweRob]

It is a pity that he is a socialist.

It's a pity you ignore policy because you can't get beyond labels.

 

[Andalublue]

It is a pity that he is a socialist.

Oooooh! Scary word. Soooocialist. You must be terrified.

 

[Kobie]

Wrong. With enough bombs the problem is solved. Permanently.

Utter nonsense. This is not imperial Japan.

 

[Roadvirus]

The Kurd militia leaders have said they can do this fighting on their own if they are just given the weapons and the logistical support.

Unfortunately, President Airhead has declined to give them weapons and logistical support.

 

[Roadvirus]

If youve seen the news then its obvious the ones who have made the most gains against ISIS are the Iranians and Hezbollah while the US backed Iraqis are the ones who always lose their ground.

What news outlet are you getting your info from?

The Kurds have made the biggest gains while the Iraqis (backed by the West and Iran) have lost ground.

 

[Roadvirus]

Pretty sure we've tried that. How's it turning out?

Imagine Canada flies some fighter jets and bombs the hell out of Cleveland. Gangs, you know. Gotta take them out. Except in the process they kill a bunch of children.

What do you think would happen? No hostility towards Canada?

We don't bomb indiscriminately. We use precision weapons. Of course, you need people on the ground to make that work, and President Airhead refuses to do it.

 

[Deuce]

We don't bomb indiscriminately. We use precision weapons. Of course, you need people on the ground to make that work, and President Airhead refuses to do it.

President Airhead recognizes something you don't.

 

[cpwill]

'Nothing to stop ISIS': Attack underscores threat facing US force in Egypt | Fox News
Is there a chance that we can defeat ISIS? It seems like all those troops we have now there are not enough and the airstrikes can't improve the situation. Looks like we've lost the initiative, ISIS soldiers are everywhere in the Middle East now. Half of Syria and Iraq are captured by ISIS forces and their ideas are spreading out to the neighboring countries. What can we do in this situation? Do we need to place there more troops or it would be better to abandon the Middle East and let it rot?

Can we stop ISIL? Yes. We can.

Would we like ISIL to be stopped? Yes, we would.

Are we willing to stop ISIL? No, we are not.

 

[cpwill]

We don't bomb indiscriminately. We use precision weapons. Of course, you need people on the ground to make that work, and President Airhead refuses to do it.

Marine Raiders to lead joint spec ops fight against ISIS

 

[cpwill]

President Airhead recognizes something you don't.

Yeah? What's that?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

'Nothing to stop ISIS': Attack underscores threat facing US force in Egypt | Fox News
Is there a chance that we can defeat ISIS? It seems like all those troops we have now there are not enough and the airstrikes can't improve the situation. Looks like we've lost the initiative, ISIS soldiers are everywhere in the Middle East now. Half of Syria and Iraq are captured by ISIS forces and their ideas are spreading out to the neighboring countries. What can we do in this situation? Do we need to place there more troops or it would be better to abandon the Middle East and let it rot?

Why do we care?

I mean if they want to rule, **** it, let them. IF they try anything just drop a nuke or two. We are done wasting blood and wealth for these worthless people.

 

[Deuce]

Yeah? What's that?

That this is something America can't solve by invasions and bombings. That attacks the symptoms only to make the disease worse.

 

[cpwill]

That this is something America can't solve by invasions and bombings. That attacks the symptoms only to make the disease worse.

Huh. That must be why Japan and Germany today are militaristic fascist empires, and why India is ruled by a series of petty local lords.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

Huh. That must be why Japan and Germany today are militaristic fascist empires, and why India is ruled by a series of petty local lords.

no, no, i'm fairly certain we bombed/invaded them both back into line. think the brits handled india.

 

[Deuce]

Huh. That must be why Japan and Germany today are militaristic fascist empires, and why India is ruled by a series of petty local lords.

Huh. I wonder if it's possible that completely different circumstances and completely different enemies might possibly be solved by different strategies.

 

[cpwill]

Huh. I wonder if it's possible that completely different circumstances and completely different enemies might possibly be solved by different strategies.

If - as you argued - the problem is inherent in the culture, then that is how you can indeed forcibly change a culture. Sorry if your argument was falsified :shrug: but it is so.

 

[Deuce]

If - as you argued - the problem is inherent in the culture, then that is how you can indeed forcibly change a culture. Sorry if your argument was falsified :shrug: but it is so.

I said that? When?

 

[cpwill]

I said that? When?

That is my understanding of your argument - that you are discussing the broad cultural appeal of Islamist Fundamentalism.

If you are referring instead to the more narrow ideological worldview of the Islamic State, then the story there is a bit better situated. Because of the eschatalogical claims that ISIL makes about itself, it's ideology is actually fairly brittle. Smash the state, and you smash the narrative. You can't claim to be the Emir al-Mumineen and Khalifa and then get repeatedly schwacked and destroyed by the infidels. We'd have to work our way through (as I recall) 4 of them to make sure, but then we'll be there.

 

[Deuce]

That is my understanding of your argument - that you are discussing the broad cultural appeal of Islamist Fundamentalism.

If you are referring instead to the more narrow ideological worldview of the Islamic State, then the story there is a bit better situated. Because of the eschatalogical claims that ISIL makes about itself, it's ideology is actually fairly brittle. Smash the state, and you smash the narrative. You can't claim to be the Emir al-Mumineen and Khalifa and then get repeatedly schwacked and destroyed by the infidels. We'd have to work our way through (as I recall) 4 of them to make sure, but then we'll be there.

You understand incorrectly. The underlying problem is one that would be found in any culture.

 

[joG]

It's a pity you ignore policy because you can't get beyond labels.

Nope. Wrong. He put the label on himself. Whether he understood, what the label means, what he believes it to mean nor what he wants to project. But I do know pretty well, what the term means socially, politically and economically. I have read some of his goals and the label does fit much of it.

 

[joG]

Oooooh! Scary word. Soooocialist. You must be terrified.

Nope. Wrong. Not at all scary. The thing is, you can only like socialism as a romantic dream. To believe it could be translated into reality is ignorant. Those that demand it are either ignorant or reverting to populism to further their own interests.

 

[PirateMk1]

France? India? Pakistan?

The French are dealing with the Muslims themselves they will have no pity for them. As is India. That leaves Pakistan. Considering the rest of the world would probably cheer the demise of ISIS and the other Jihadist nutjobs, I doubt seriously that the Pakistanis would like to join their brothers and sisters in heaven.

 

[PirateMk1]

Is this a vote for genocide?

If that's what people call it then yes, exterminate ISIS down to the last man woman and child. No quarter expected, no quarter granted, kill them all and let God worry about the sorting if he so chooses.

 

[PirateMk1]

Utter nonsense. This is not imperial Japan.

No its not. But the principle still applies. The nut jobs are supported by sane people down the line. You have to frighten the sane people into withdrawing that support. You do that by threatening them directly. Put them between a rock and a hard place and bear down. Make them want to move the rock (the nut jobs.). Kill enough quickly enough and the sane see the writing on the wall.

 

[Riveroaks]

Unfortunately, President Airhead has declined to give them weapons and logistical support.

BHO is apparently worried about Turkey.

Maybe Israel can arm the Kurds then.

Israel is closer to the ISIS problem than the USA is at the moment.