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Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

  • Yes, we can help

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • No, you'll only reduce mass shootings over my bullet ridden, bloody corpse

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • Other, specify below

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Total voters
    10
uptower said:
Sure there's lots we can do with guns. Swing 'em I suppose, um...tap the butt on the ground. Er.. the Israeli Galil had a bottle opener under barrel; umm...masturbate over them? Guns are very versatile, they do heaps more than just shooting.
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"Shooting" wasn't the attribute that was referenced.

You fail.
 
MamboDervish said:
And you can stir your drink with some of them. Collect'em - trade'm - put stickers on them. Shove them in wet cement and pull them out before it hardens. Use them for earrings. They really are very versatile. They do so much more than just shoot.

And everyone knows that cars are designed, engineered, manufactured, advertised and sold to crash into things. It's probably their main purpose.


.:rolleyes:
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Another failed attempt to address my post honestly.

Wait...you didn't even address my post directly. LOL
 
Conservative solutions are: more guns, less regulation, less democracy, more corporatism, more militarism, less social benefits, burn more fossil fuels, etc. Conservatives have nothing. Conservatism is irrelevant.
 
RF667799 said:
"Shooting" wasn't the attribute that was referenced.

You fail.
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Apart from target weapons (some of which can kill) and starter guns all guns are designed to kill. They do this by shooting. Shooting at any creature including people is killing. Assault-style weapons specifically are designed to kill people. Shooting targets is practicing to kill. That's the only thing a gun can do. Except carry accessories that help it kill more efficiently. The only exception I know of is the Galil's bottle opener, which is designed to help a squaddie open an ice cold coke on a hot Sinai day.

Unfortunately when used in a mass killing the gun is fulfilling the imperatives of its design, regardless of whether the manufacturers or sellers expected it to be used for quite that occasion. In that respect it cannot be compared to an tool or piece of machinery (except other weapons) that are also used to kill, most likely because the user didn't have a gun handy.
 
uptower said:
Apart from target weapons (some of which can kill) and starter guns all guns are designed to kill. They do this by shooting. Shooting at any creature including people is killing. Assault-style weapons specifically are designed to kill people. Shooting targets is practicing to kill. That's the only thing a gun can do. Except carry accessories that help it kill more efficiently. The only exception I know of is the Galil's bottle opener, which is designed to help a squaddie open an ice cold coke on a hot Sinai day.

Unfortunately when used in a mass killing the gun is fulfilling the imperatives of its design, regardless of whether the manufacturers or sellers expected it to be used for quite that occasion. In that respect it cannot be compared to an tool or piece of machinery (except other weapons) that are also used to kill, most likely because the user didn't have a gun handy.
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"All guns are designed to kill" and you immediately supply two exceptions. Thanks for the demonstration.

I will agree that "shooting" is the main utility of guns in general.

Yes, a gun can be used to shoot with the intention of killing. So what?

Then you're back to talking about "the only thing a gun can do" even though you've already refuted yourself.

The rest of your post is too incoherent to bother with.
 
MamboDervish said:
AHA! Employing the "I know I am but what are you?" defense, eh?

So . . . what are you - 12 years old?
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At least I have an education. I've got a college degree. What have you got, nothing? I would be surprised if you even have a high school diploma.
 
RF667799 said:
"All guns are designed to kill" and you immediately supply two exceptions. Thanks for the demonstration.

I will agree that "shooting" is the main utility of guns in general.

Yes, a gun can be used to shoot with the intention of killing. So what?

Then you're back to talking about "the only thing a gun can do" even though you've already refuted yourself.

The rest of your post is too incoherent to bother with.
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I noted you haven't managed to refute anything of what I've said. With a few minor exceptions all guns are designed to kill. The bottle opener story is true, but I put it in there to point out the exception that proves the rule.

Nobody is talking about banning target pistols. Assault weapons need to be highly regulated.
 
Antiwar said:
Conservative solutions are: more guns, less regulation, less democracy, more corporatism, more militarism, less social benefits, burn more fossil fuels, etc. Conservatives have nothing. Conservatism is irrelevant.
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Longer prison sentences, more prisons, higher walls...

More rules, more laws...
 
ecofarm said:
Pro gun folks shoot the bad guys. That's holding their end.
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How many mass shootings have been stopped by you wannabe Rambos?
 
uptower said:
I noted you haven't managed to refute anything of what I've said. With a few minor exceptions all guns are designed to kill. The bottle opener story is true, but I put it in there to point out the exception that proves the rule.

Nobody is talking about banning target pistols. Assault weapons need to be highly regulated.
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And you're back to "all guns are designed to kill" while admitting that isn't true.

More accurate would be that guns can be used to kill. This would be true without exception, I believe.

What's so important about "designed to kill" other than a desire to imply that is synonymous with "only can kill"? Which you have tried to do, of course.
 
SCrider said:
How many mass shootings have been stopped by you wannabe Rambos?
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There was that church shooting stopped by an armed parishioner after a couple of people were killed...

The gun lobby seemingly calls that a "win".
 
Rich2018 said:
There was that church shooting stopped by an armed parishioner after a couple of people were killed...

The gun lobby seemingly calls that a "win".
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It's likely a better outcome than if the shooter hadn't been stopped.
 
RF667799 said:
And you're back to "all guns are designed to kill" while admitting that isn't true.

More accurate would be that guns can be used to kill. This would be true without exception, I believe.

What's so important about "designed to kill" other than a desire to imply that is synonymous with "only can kill"? Which you have tried to do, of course.
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Well once again the basis of all guns is a killing tool. Shooting at targets is predicated on practising to kill. The guns people kill others with or commit mass shootings are not target pistols usually) so I rule them out. There's no point trying to refocus the discussion on target pistols because they are not used in mass shootings. If they are then I don't mind being wrong - it just means there aren't any guns we can rule out.

Do tell us what else a gun can do. Can it drop the kids off at school or mend a fence? No it only shoots.
 
uptower said:
Well once again the basis of all guns is a killing tool. Shooting at targets is predicated on practising to kill. The guns people kill others with or commit mass shootings are not target pistols usually) so I rule them out. There's no point trying to refocus the discussion on target pistols because they are not used in mass shootings. If they are then I don't mind being wrong - it just means there aren't any guns we can rule out.

Do tell us what else a gun can do. Can it drop the kids off at school or mend a fence? No it only shoots.
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There are a lot of purposes for "shoot" other than murder. That you are forced to constantly conflate "shoot" and "kill" and toss in descriptions of murders speaks to the weakness of your argument.

You speak of "kill" as if it is intrinsically negative. You equate it with murder. That is simply not true.

It is true a gun can be used for murder, and this is a function of its design.

It is also true that a car can be driven into a tree at 100mph, and this is a function of its design.
 
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