Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

[swing_voter]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?



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[ecofarm]

Pro gun folks shoot the bad guys. That's holding their end.

 

[bluesmoke]

Arm more good people to shoot the bad people when the bad people start shooting. More open carry so the bad people see what they're up against and back away. Yeah, that's the ticket. School teachers, too.

 

[MamboDervish]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?

No. They're too scared.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

Can you explain why it's our responsibility to come up with ways to do so?

 

[Crovax]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?



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No, reducing mass shootings is a stupid goal. If you want to reduce mass killings then we can talk

 

[Rich2018]

Pro gun folks shoot the bad guys. That's holding their end.

...and bring back lynch mobs too.

 

[Chillfolks]

A better question is can the anti gun rights people help us prevent mass shootings in any way. CA has all kinds of gun control laws to pre mass shootings but they there are living the nightmare. Here in VA we recently passed a UBC law, and last week we had a case of a high school student selling guns used in a recent shooting. These nonsense gun control laws are great at making it more difficult to exercise a right (while whining to no end if a fraction of the same restrictions are applied to other rights) but are not preventing mass shootings. So can they come up with ideas to prevent mass shootings or simply ideas on infringing on people’s rights pretending they will have any significant impact on mass shootings?

 

[Rich2018]

A better question is can the anti gun rights people help us prevent mass shootings in any way.

You're phrasing you question in a very provocative manner.

"Anti-gun rights" lobby ?
You wouldn't call the pro gun lobby the "pro-mass shooting" lobby would you ?

The answer to your question is, of course, yes
Gun control can help prevent (or at least drastically reduce) mass shootings

CA has all kinds of gun control laws to pre mass shootings but they there are living the nightmare....

Having gun control in just part of the country is like have a no pissing rule in part of a swimming pool
There can be no significant gun control unless it applies to the whole country and follows on from a repeal of the 2nd Amendment

Here in VA we recently passed a UBC law, and last week we had a case of a high school student selling guns used in a recent shooting. These nonsense gun control laws are great at making it more difficult to exercise a right (while whining to no end if a fraction of the same restrictions are applied to other rights) but are not preventing mass shootings. So can they come up with ideas to prevent mass shootings or simply ideas on infringing on people’s rights pretending they will have any significant impact on mass shootings?

QED

The only answer is to ban guns*

*With exemptions previously discussed.

 

[Chillfolks]

You're phrasing you question in a very provocative manner.

"Anti-gun rights" lobby ?
You wouldn't call the pro gun lobby the "pro-mass shooting" lobby would you ?

The answer to your question is, of course, yes
Gun control can help prevent (or at least drastically reduce) mass shootings




Having gun control in just part of the country is like have a no pissing rule in part of a swimming pool
There can be no significant gun control unless it applies to the whole country and follows on from a repeal of the 2nd Amendment





QED

The only answer is to ban guns*

*With exemptions previously discussed.

You say of course yes but all your reactions scream no because all you push are more restrictions on rights that don’t prevent mass shootings.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem

I've been pushing for better healthcare for a long time.

 

[Wayne Jr]

No, reducing mass shootings is a stupid goal. If you want to reduce mass killings then we can talk

They only care about women if she's assaulted with a gun. If she's stabbed or beaten they turn a blind eye.

 

[Rich2018]

You say of course yes but all your reactions scream no because all you push are more restrictions on rights that don’t prevent mass shootings.

Nothing can totally eradicate mass shootings, and until/unless the 2nd Amendment is repealed and guns banned*, mass shootings will always be a blight on US society

However, shootings can be reduced a little perhaps, by tightening the limited control we have.


*With exemptions previously discussed.

 

[TurtleDude]

A better question is can the anti gun rights people help us prevent mass shootings in any way. CA has all kinds of gun control laws to pre mass shootings but they there are living the nightmare. Here in VA we recently passed a UBC law, and last week we had a case of a high school student selling guns used in a recent shooting. These nonsense gun control laws are great at making it more difficult to exercise a right (while whining to no end if a fraction of the same restrictions are applied to other rights) but are not preventing mass shootings. So can they come up with ideas to prevent mass shootings or simply ideas on infringing on people’s rights pretending they will have any significant impact on mass shootings?

sadly, some of the most avid gun banners see mass shootings as useful items for advancing their agenda.

 

[TurtleDude]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?



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I am curious about your apparent fixation on mass shootings: which have very little relevance in the overall murder or violent crime statistics.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Arm more good people to shoot the bad people when the bad people start shooting. More open carry so the bad people see what they're up against and back away. Yeah, that's the ticket. School teachers, too.

Do you see how bad the students treat the teachers? Go on YouTube and look up those videos, then see if you agree that arming teachers is a good idea.

 

[Waddy]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?



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The good news is YES, we are ready to do something.

Let's start with the 26,000 gun laws already on the books and enforce those to the maximum, no plea bargains, no reduced sentences.

Next; let's stop plea bargaining away gun charges. Gun charges are just about the most plea bargained in the entire system. Criminals like it because they get a much lighter sentence. Prosecutors like it because it avoids a trial and they can chalk another easy win.
(an example of a plea bargain is a criminal gets caught and charged with armed robbery, with a gun, and the criminal agrees to plead guilty to the robbery charge if the gun charge is dropped. GUN convictions typically carry long sentences). But criminals willing to use guns get back on the street much faster. Sometimes even probation and no prison time.

Next; hundreds of thousands of people have been denied gun purchases through the NICS Instant Check system, since it began. That means they LIED on the application form. THAT is a felony. So how many have been sent to prison? How many have even been prosecuted? Over the years, let's see............ that would be a handful. Haven't heard of even one going to prison for it.

Next; thousands and thousands of people every year are identified as a danger by mental health workers, including therapists and other personnel. How many have been reported to the NICS Instant Check system; ZERO. Unless they have been adjudicated dangerous by a court they do NOT get reported. So NOT UNTIL they have a court record can the NICS list them, by searching court records. (I'm sure that's far from 100% effective). Actually, MANY of the mass shooters had mental health issues they had seen professionals about so the mental health workers knew who they were. Sometimes they just weren't allowed under HIPPA laws to report them. And since the mental health community opposes reporting, they wouldn't report these sick bastards even if they could. So, NEW RULE; the mental health community MUST report patients they deem dangerous.

OK, let's get on it. These are ALL good things we can do. chop chop....

 

[TurtleDude]

The good news is YES, we are ready to do something.

Let's start with the 26,000 gun laws already on the books and enforce those to the maximum, no plea bargains, no reduced sentences.

Next; let's stop plea bargaining away gun charges. Gun charges are just about the most plea bargained in the entire system. Criminals like it because they get a much lighter sentence. Prosecutors like it because it avoids a trial and they can chalk another easy win.
(an example of a plea bargain is a criminal gets caught and charged with armed robbery, with a gun, and the criminal agrees to plead guilty to the robbery charge if the gun charge is dropped. GUN convictions typically carry long sentences). But criminals willing to use guns get back on the street much faster. Sometimes even probation and no prison time.

Next; hundreds of thousands of people have been denied gun purchases through the NICS Instant Check system, since it began. That means they LIED on the application form. THAT is a felony. So how many have been sent to prison? How many have even been prosecuted? Over the years, let's see............ that would be a handful. Haven't heard of even one going to prison for it.

Next; thousands and thousands of people every year are identified as a danger by mental health workers, including therapists and other personnel. How many have been reported to the NICS Instant Check system; ZERO. Unless they have been adjudicated dangerous by a court they do NOT get reported. So NOT UNTIL they have a court record can the NICS list them, by searching court records. (I'm sure that's far from 100% effective). Actually, MANY of the mass shooters had mental health issues they had seen professionals about so the mental health workers knew who they were. Sometimes they just weren't allowed under HIPPA laws to report them. And since the mental health community opposes reporting, they wouldn't report these sick bastards even if they could. So, NEW RULE; the mental health community MUST report patients they deem dangerous.

OK, let's get on it. These are ALL good things we can do. chop chop....

that's a dangerous ground and can have some unintended deleterious effects, as well as being unconstitutional. here is the danger. If someone who is sort of mentally ill, but not to the point of being subject to an adjudication of such, knows that if they seek medical help, they could have their firearms confiscated, they may well decide not to report to a doctor. and then they get worse

 

[Waddy]

that's a dangerous ground and can have some unintended deleterious effects, as well as being unconstitutional. here is the danger. If someone who is sort of mentally ill, but not to the point of being subject to an adjudication of such, knows that if they seek medical help, they could have their firearms confiscated, they may well decide not to report to a doctor. and then they get worse

and there you have it !!!!! THAT is exactly why gun registration schemes will NEVER work. (and the NICS Instant Check IS a registration scheme). Unless you can identify and list people who are mentally ill and shouldn't own guns, registration makes NO sense. Then you are only keeping records on people who won't ever do any harm to others with those guns at all. or very, very unlikely. What is the point of keeping track of only normal, average citizens? Unless it's them you want to disarm..............

 

[AGENT J]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?

who is a member of the "pro-gun" crowd . . .
I own guns and have a weapons permit does that include me?

if so i'll post the same thing I post when guns come up, we should do a better job and enforcing current gun laws now and after that these are my 6 questions

Will it punish criminals with guns?
Will it punish criminal activity with guns?
Will it punish the illegal transportation, manufacturing, distribution of guns?
Will it actually make people safer?
Will it NOT punish law-abiding citizens?
Will it NOT empower criminals?

the more yeses the more likely id support it

Longer waiting periods gets no yeses
mental health checks gets no yes . . but I do think mental health needs to be some type of focus but I dont think it will have much impact with this topic

mental health should be a hardcore part of or health system, just like checkups

 

[Court Jester]

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?

We aren't the problem, so why are you asking us?

This is like asking people who like to have a glass of wine with dinner once per month, what they feel they should do to stop binge drinking fraternity deaths.

 

[Rich2018]

sadly, some of the most avid gun banners see mass shootings as useful items for advancing their agenda.

The reduction of mass shootings is what drives gun control / bans - and not just in the USA but in countries like the UK, Australia and Canada.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?

For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.

Longer waiting periods might've helped.

Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?

Why should the pro gun crowd do anything?

Do you drink alcohol? Drive a car? Swim? Are you willing to "do anything" that would significantly increase the expense or inconvenience of those things for you in order to reduce alcohol-related deaths, speeding deaths, or drownings?

 

[Rich2018]

Why should the pro gun crowd do anything?

They'd rather watch the world burn

Do you drink alcohol? Drive a car? Swim? Are you willing to "do anything" that would significantly increase the expense or inconvenience of those things for you in order to reduce alcohol-related deaths, speeding deaths, or drownings?

What-about-ism, yes I have a pool too.

 

[Noodlegawd]

What-about-ism, yes I have a pool too.

I'll say this every time that useless word is whipped out: If pointing out flaming hypocrisy is "whataboutism," sign me up.

Once you've filled in your pool, you get to lecture gun owners about mass shootings. Deal?

They'd rather watch the world burn

If mass shootings are equivalent to the world burning, I can't even imagine what metaphor you would apply to the problems you hypocritically ignore.