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Can Texas Secede from the U.S.?

jonny5 said:
They said that about Brexit. Things change.
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Not really, the number for Brexit was always around 50/50 and everything i have ever read about Texas wanting to secede was a lot closer to ~98% Remain. They are two very different things.
 
Carjosse said:
Not really, the number for Brexit was always around 50/50 and everything i have ever read about Texas wanting to secede was a lot closer to ~98% Remain. They are two very different things.
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NO the current voters would vote to secede if they wait 5 years that can change same with other conservative states and that is why this seceding will happen quickly if hillary wins.. 30 conservative states and alberta province of canada seceding to join THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA and then the wise will srampede to there and the next great empire will come
 
jonny5 said:
Exactly the kind of mentality that will eventually result in independence. Youre willing to kill people to keep them from being free.
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The last time secession was tried it was an attempt to overturn a democratic election result.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
It doesn't matter because 75% of Texans would vote for 'Remain'...
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if texas wants to remain conservative they will have to vote to secede and make wisdom tests for voters.... their voting as conservatives in elections PROVE they will vote to secede before the population can change.. then the wisdom test for voters will always keep texas conservative
 
SailaWay said:
if texas wants to remain conservative they will have to vote to secede and make wisdom tests for voters.... their voting as conservatives in elections PROVE they will vote to secede before the population can change.. then the wisdom test for voters will always keep texas conservative
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Texas will never secede from the United States of America unless it were pressed to via significant outside pressure from a foreign entity to do so via groundbreaking and unprecedented levels of propaganda sophistication. There is literally not a single force on the face of this planet as we speak that can make Texas seceding from the U.S. a reality.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Texas will never secede from the United States of America unless it were pressed to via significant outside pressure from a foreign entity to do so via groundbreaking and unprecedented levels of propaganda sophistication. There is literally not a single force on the face of this planet as we speak that can make Texas seceding from the U.S. a reality.
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WRONG.... the clue is texas is voting conservative and the nation turning liberal...THAT'S THE CLUE that proves they WILL secede and it will be easy.. this is conservatives against liberals NOT MEN AGAINST MEN like with the civil war.. its the conservatives that have THE MEN.. no contest and will happen UNLESS 2 demands are NOT MET.. abortion illegal and a wisdom test for voters which would stop liberalism.. they will secede and have their own wisdom test for voters so that liberalism will never come
 
SailaWay said:
WRONG.... the clue is texas is voting conservative and the nation turning liberal...THAT'S THE CLUE that proves they WILL secede and it will be easy.. this is conservatives against liberals NOT MEN AGAINST MEN like with the civil war.. its the conservatives that have THE MEN.. no contest and will happen UNLESS 2 demands are NOT MET.. abortion illegal and a wisdom test for voters which would stop liberalism.. they will secede and have their own wisdom test for voters so that liberalism will never come
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:lol:
 
Jack Hays said:
The last time secession was tried it was an attempt to overturn a democratic election result.
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No, secession means they were independent from that result. Lincoln was still President of the USA. The confederacy was simply no longer part of the USA. Thats no more of a logical statement than saying the colonies overthrew King George as King of England.
 
jonny5 said:
No, secession means they were independent from that result. Lincoln was still President of the USA. The confederacy was simply no longer part of the USA. Thats no more of a logical statement than saying the colonies overthrew King George as King of England.
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Yeah, but they seceded so they wouldn't have to live in a country where they no longer controlled said government. How honorable :roll:
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, but they seceded so they wouldn't have to live in a country where they no longer controlled said government. How honorable :roll:
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I know youre being sarcastic, but I dont see why. Declaring independence so you can be free from a tyranical govt that you dont feel you have a say in anymore IS honorable. Its the very example set by the founding of the country. :kitty:
 
jonny5 said:
I know youre being sarcastic, but I dont see why. Declaring independence so you can be free from a tyranical govt that you dont feel you have a say in anymore IS honorable. Its the very example set by the founding of the country. :kitty:
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The South straight up had controlled the government for the twenty-thirty years before Lincoln's election yet the North never seceded. Meanwhile, the second a candidate the South didn't like got elected they tried to bail.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The South straight up had controlled the government for the twenty-thirty years before Lincoln's election yet the North never seceded. Meanwhile, the second a candidate the South didn't like got elected they tried to bail.
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James Buchanan was from Pennsylvania
Franklin Peirce was from New Hampshire
Filmore was from New York

Not straight up. Congress went back and forth, but the laws being passed were quickly eroding the souths power, admitting anti-slavery states and outlawing slavery in southern territories. The republican dominance prior to the Civil war, and Lincolns election were the final straw. And the inevitable outcome when you have factions willing to abuse power to get their way.
 
jonny5 said:
James Buchanan was from Pennsylvania
Franklin Peirce was from New Hampshire
Filmore was from New York

Not straight up. Congress went back and forth, but the laws being passed were quickly eroding the souths power, admitting anti-slavery states and outlawing slavery in southern territories. The republican dominance prior to the Civil war, and Lincolns election were the final straw. And the inevitable outcome when you have factions willing to abuse power to get their way.
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Yeah, but Buchanan kissed the Southern Democrats' collective asses pretty much non stop, and the other two weren't making anyone's top ten presidents list.

The South abused it's power pretty much constantly. People got fed up--- hence the Republicans taking over.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, but Buchanan kissed the Southern Democrats' collective asses pretty much non stop, and the other two weren't making anyone's top ten presidents list.

The South abused it's power pretty much constantly. People got fed up--- hence the Republicans taking over.
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After decades of economic erosion of the south. They had enough, time to go. And they have every right to consent to govt, for any reason. They could have left if they didnt like the colors in the flag.
 
jonny5 said:
No, secession means they were independent from that result. Lincoln was still President of the USA. The confederacy was simply no longer part of the USA. Thats no more of a logical statement than saying the colonies overthrew King George as King of England.
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Withdrawal from the union was an attempt to overturn a democratic election result.
 
jonny5 said:
After decades of economic erosion of the south. They had enough, time to go. And they have every right to consent to govt, for any reason. They could have left if they didnt like the colors in the flag.
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So in other words, "waah! The north elected a candidate we don't like who we think is going to make us give up our agricultural, slave based economy! Time to commit treason!"
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words, "waah! The north elected a candidate we don't like who we think is going to make us give up our agricultural, slave based economy! Time to commit treason!"
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Its not treason if youre independent.
 
Jack Hays said:
Withdrawal from the union was an attempt to overturn a democratic election result.
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Thats no more of a logical statement than saying the colonies were attempting to overthrow King George as King of England.
 
jonny5 said:
Its not treason if youre independent.
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Sure bud. Then why did they try to force West Virginia back into their "country"? Clearly, the people of West Virginia didn't want to be a part of the confederacy, after all.....
 
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